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rockette - 2013-12-01 8:50 PM hotpaints - 2013-12-01 7:12 PM What people tend to forget...........the "stars" have to be aligned just right for any horse to become a GREAT horse. Scamper is the perfect example. Secretariat is another great example and I can think of many more.........Hotshot. Bloodlines, conformation, etc. go nowhere if not in the right hands at the right time.
PLUS, many GREAT horses are standing around in somebody's field or "gasp' in somebody's backyard. It just depends on how much money an owner is willing to spend to get the horse "proven". Heck, at the right show, barrel run, etc. any horse could be a 1st class horse. Actually I disagree with Secretariat being in that category. His sire Bold Ruler led th TB sire list 9 times. His dam Something Royal was the daughter of an English triple Crown winner, she also produced stakes winner Sir Gaylord.
I also have a perfect example here at my farm. We own a TB mare sired by Rahy. The year her dam was bred for her, his stud fee was $10,000. As a race horse he was a phenom but as a sire he was a dink. However, he is considered a broodmare sire and his grandget have done extremely well. So for example, cloning Rahy would be a waste of money and time IMO.
Ok, I get where you are coming from. I thought you meant Secretariat wad a fluke because Bold Ruler was not a good sire. Now I understand you mean Secretariat as a performer than sire. I gotcha now. I agree. 
Secretariat's sons were average race horses, but his daughters will keep his name around for a long time-very sought after as broodmares. And some of those daughters were scorpions on the race track as well. |
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Location: ND | which brings us to short sighted and narrow vision versus far sighted and wide vision.......
it's not til generations later that we really understand what an inidividuals genetics mean to the performance of that line....
which in the end is good that there are folks that realize that instead of banking their opinions of first foal crops..... |
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Location: Kansas and loving it | Doesn't Trevor Brazile have a Clayton baby? Wonder if Shada will train the horse for barrels or if Trevor will rope on it? |
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Location: Royal J Performance Horses, AZ | willyturnit - 2013-12-02 11:48 AM carlos - 2013-12-02 12:28 PM willyturnit - 2013-12-02 8:38 AM carlos - 2013-12-02 8:12 AM For those of you that hate Clayton and his babies.... So what's gonna happen when a few years from now some of you are at some barrel race somewhere and someone comes in and just smokes the field or just turns your head because this horse just looked nice and ran a nice set of cans. You go up and ask the person about his/her horse and it happens to be a Clayton baby!!! Cuz that's gonna happen.
Will you admit then that you actually complimented a horse that turned out to be a Clayton baby?? I don't think there is one person on this thread who has stated that they "hate Clayton and his babies". I have read this thread several times. The debate, by some, is will the success or failure of this first crop be the determining factor as to if he is a successful stallion. Another point is was it genetics people were after or the expression of those genetics. But not once did I see someone on this particular thread say they hated him or his offspring. Heck for that matter not sure why it is that big of a deal. There are a lot of barrel racers who don't want to or won't own a horse with Beduino bloodlines. Clayton is no different. there will be those who are against cloning .There are those who are mad because people chose to clone their horses and now AQHA is being forced to register those foals. But again, I have not seen anyone say they hated Clayton or his offspring. Any young sire is open to scrutinizing. Whether or not they have produced a one horse wonder or if they are a flop. It's part of the owning of a stallion.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | rockette - 2013-12-08 9:04 AM Doesn't Trevor Brazile have a Clayton baby? Wonder if Shada will train the horse for barrels or if Trevor will rope on it?
If they do have one of his colts he/she would be in excellent hands and will be exciting to see what happens to that one in the future. |
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Location: Kansas and loving it | CYA Ranch - 2013-12-08 10:24 AM
rockette - 2013-12-08 9:04 AM Doesn't Trevor Brazile have a Clayton baby? Wonder if Shada will train the horse for barrels or if Trevor will rope on it?
If they do have one of his colts he/she would be in excellent hands and will be exciting to see what happens to that one in the future.
I'm watching Being Trevor Brazile before I go to work. Just got me thinking that I thought Charmayne said that they had one. |
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Location: La Vernia, TX | Scamper himself wasn't a futurity horse. He was a phenomenally consistent and durable athlete that was able to stay at the top of competition for an entire decade. It will certainly take as long to see if Clayton's get inherit the gritty hardiness that made Scamper great. |
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Location: Depends where the next barrel race is..... | To answer your doubts as to whether or not the Clayton babies will futurity.... a Clayton colt just won $7500 in the Super Stakes race! Way to go Janae and Scamp! |
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| Oregonracer2 - 2013-12-10 7:50 PM
To answer your doubts as to whether or not the Clayton babies will futurity.... a Clayton colt just won $7500 in the Super Stakes race! Way to go Janae and Scamp!
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Oregonracer2 - 2013-12-10 7:50 PM To answer your doubts as to whether or not the Clayton babies will futurity.... a Clayton colt just won $7500 in the Super Stakes race! Way to go Janae and Scamp!
Wooohoo! I wish I could have seen that. If someone has a video please share! |
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| bennie1 - 2013-12-10 5:53 PM
Oregonracer2 - 2013-12-10 7:50 PM
To answer your doubts as to whether or not the Clayton babies will futurity.... a Clayton colt just won $7500 in the Super Stakes race! Way to go Janae and Scamp!
Cool! What was the bottom side?
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Location: ND | CYA Ranch - 2013-12-10 7:53 PM Oregonracer2 - 2013-12-10 7:50 PM To answer your doubts as to whether or not the Clayton babies will futurity.... a Clayton colt just won $7500 in the Super Stakes race! Way to go Janae and Scamp! Wooohoo! I wish I could have seen that. If someone has a video please share!
where did that fit in as far as placings??? |
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| dhdqhllc - 2013-12-10 7:55 PM
CYA Ranch - 2013-12-10 7:53 PM Oregonracer2 - 2013-12-10 7:50 PM To answer your doubts as to whether or not the Clayton babies will futurity.... a Clayton colt just won $7500 in the Super Stakes race! Way to go Janae and Scamp! Wooohoo! I wish I could have seen that. If someone has a video please share!
I *think* it was 7th in the slot race. |
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Location: Carpenter, WY | Just sitting here kind of wondering ....we get a 'Clayton' thread about once a month. I wonder why the FG clones aren't getting the same scrutiny
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Location: WYOMING | bennie1 - 2013-12-10 9:05 PM dhdqhllc - 2013-12-10 7:55 PM CYA Ranch - 2013-12-10 7:53 PM Oregonracer2 - 2013-12-10 7:50 PM To answer your doubts as to whether or not the Clayton babies will futurity.... a Clayton colt just won $7500 in the Super Stakes race! Way to go Janae and Scamp! Wooohoo! I wish I could have seen that. If someone has a video please share! I *think* it was 7th in the slot race.
Very cool but my big question is....
how many Clayton babies will be named Scamp? |
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Location: ND | teehaha - 2013-12-11 9:12 AM Just sitting here kind of wondering....we get a 'Clayton' thread about once a month. I wonder why the FG clones aren't getting the same scrutiny
have they bred anything with those clones???? |
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Location: Carpenter, WY | dhdqhllc - 2013-12-11 7:25 AM teehaha - 2013-12-11 9:12 AM Just sitting here kind of wondering....we get a 'Clayton' thread about once a month. I wonder why the FG clones aren't getting the same scrutiny
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Location: ND | teehaha - 2013-12-11 9:37 AM dhdqhllc - 2013-12-11 7:25 AM teehaha - 2013-12-11 9:12 AM Just sitting here kind of wondering....we get a 'Clayton' thread about once a month. I wonder why the FG clones aren't getting the same scrutiny
i'm sure they haven't........
when they do, the twitterpating will begin.....or tweeting or twatting or whatever.....do they really have their own Twitter feed???? |
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Location: Michigan | bennie1 - 2013-12-10 8:05 PM dhdqhllc - 2013-12-10 7:55 PM CYA Ranch - 2013-12-10 7:53 PM Oregonracer2 - 2013-12-10 7:50 PM To answer your doubts as to whether or not the Clayton babies will futurity.... a Clayton colt just won $7500 in the Super Stakes race! Way to go Janae and Scamp! Wooohoo! I wish I could have seen that. If someone has a video please share! I *think* it was 7th in the slot race.
BFA posted the results on their website and it looks like yes he was 7th! http://www.barrelfuturitiesofamerica.com/results/2013-bfa-world-championship/188-super-stakes.html
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| I think what seriously fascinates me about Scamper is his body. When I think about his physical resiliency to make run after run after run in crazy rodeo ground conditions without the soundness tools and science we have now---Wow!
I would absolutely love to try a colt by Clayton from a badass black type mare. Never know, he might pay off his stud fees just in saving medical bills. I personally feel the barrel horse pen could use a shot of down and dirty bone and hardiness.
It's all an absolute crap shoot whether you get a good baby wth a good brain or not. Dad raised 5 colts out of his old pet Julie mare and the neighbors stud. (Yes, albeit old school performance blood, ah hem, sort of like Scampers) One was my kid horse by the time he was 4. One was my grandmothers 'maw maw horse'. The other three ended up in a bucking string, with one going all the way to Madison Square Garden.
My point: I wouldn't mind getting to sort through some Clayton colts to find that 'one' and paying to do it--the 'one' would totally be worth it!!!! |
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