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Location: NOT at Wal Mart | yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-16 6:51 AM justcruzin - 2013-12-16 8:44 AM yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-16 6:21 AM dhdqhllc - 2013-12-16 8:07 AM Rope-N-Run - 2013-12-16 1:44 AM Charley Crawford posted this to his Face book page, thought you guys might like to read it: Ok people, all the talk about the NFR is going crazy! We all stood up before a board the other day and asked them not to sign the 10 year contract that Las Vegas offered us while we have other multiple offers for a lot more money! This was agreed upon by every contestant in the top 15 at the NFR!! You can't be mad at the PRCA for finally standing behind us!! This is the first time we have all come together in an effort to make the sport better! I'm sorry if some of you feel like it might mess up your one fun week in Vegas, but this is something us cowboys and cowgirls work for our entire lives! We sacrifice time away from family, travel all year with no guaranteed pay, put more money back in from our own pockets all year than any other professional athletes do. Most of the guys getting to the finals come there with so much debt from the efforts of trying to get there that year that their biggest hope is to win enough to start the next year off at even! Sometimes in order to make things better you have to have a change! And remember moving the finals is not necessarily what the cowboys want, but if Vegas is not willing to come to the plate then we do have way better offers! And keep in mind, Vegas does have the opportunity to counter offer. So if we don't go back there, that on them not us! look, the pros at the top of the prca want to make more money and that is what the prca is about ......making money.......and honestly, after that condescending comment by charlie crawford about fan fun week, i think even less about the PRCA ...obviously rodeo fans don't fit into the equation any more......it's a fine move in the short term if they can generate more prize money but Kissimee is expecting the fans and income like showed up in vegas and hopefully more......a community can thorw all the money at an event that they want but if the return isn't what is expected, in 7 years they will be looking for somewhere else and vegas won't be there......PRCA is going to start to find out how the politics of professional sports works with this deal and they better bring in the money for the community or they will be out........starting to look no different than NFL, NBA, etc........ You need to keep in mind that alot of people who go out to Vegas during the nfr just go out to party and never go to the rodeo. And think about the demographics of the people who do go to the rodeo, alot of those people don't drink or gamble. I think you would be surprised at the amount of those people who would be happy to see it moved outta sin city. And into a more family friendly city. Having said that I think the people who are going to actually attend the rodeo will still go. Everyone keeps bringing up the 40 percent ticket increase. I believe this is misunderstood. I think LVE was saying to match the money Orlando is offering they would have to increase tickets that much IN las vegas. Not that tickets would cost more than the currently do, in Orlando. Plus the arenas in Orlando will have more seating to offset some of the costs.
I need to do some research, I still don't care for the idea, I personally like the NFR in Vegas. I just don't see it as a good move, but that's coming from a fan, not a contestant's perspective.
I think the whole thing will be more expensive, the food price alone will kill ya! I don't usually do buffet's but most everyone else does, it's cheaper. Do they have 200 buffet's in Orlando?
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| Here is what contestants and others don't see - each host hotel donates a block of rooms for up to twenty dates depending on who is staying there ie - flag girls, secretarys, pick up men, feed crew, people that we as the public don't see (and the reason I know this is I worked for Shawn Davis and wrote contracts for the WNFR telling each person where they were staying and what days ect.) The stock contractors get rooms - so is Florida willing to do the same? Also another thing that most don't know is the grand opening saddle horses and flag horses each contractor that brings horses gets a flat fee and so much a mile if your big bend/flying five coming Ellensburg, Washington are they going to cover the extended cost?? These are all concerns that I know Shawn Davis will address he was instrumental in moving the finals to Vegas and he is one heck of a business man ... So I hope that the contestants look at the bigger picture I am all for more money but at what cost to the PRCA - and Stressmen you lost another large rodeo with Greely not signing there renewal so is this how our rodeo is going to go? This gives the American even more steam. | |
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Location: Texas | I wonder what Vegas's offer compared to what it was already paying? Did it go up/down/stay the same? How much additional money would be going to the contestants if it moved to FL?
Plus, I'm sure the PRCA already considered the stock from Canada issue. FL has a couple of years to change that law.
And to the person saying the go-round wins only go up about $250/yr? Um...where'd that info come from? I remember distinctly when it was in the 13 thousand range and now it's in the 18 thousand range - and that wasn't 20 years ago. | |
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| BamaCanChaser - 2013-12-16 9:04 AM
This article answers some of ya'lls questions. Apparently the LVE is a non-profit organization, they are there to generate revenue for the city and the NFR generates a LOT.
http://twistedrodeo.com/2013/12/16/las-vegas-could-lose-a-great-thi...
Some of you are saying that you can't believe it's being moved to somewhere as NON-centrally located as FL (like Nevada is centrally located? ). Well this board is predominantly people west of the MS river. There are a LOT of rodeo fans on the east of the MS who are thrilled about the possibility of it moving. My FB newsfeed is blown up with people talking about it.
Another thing, "The only thing Orlando has to offer is Disney" ???? That's like saying all Vegas has to offer is casinos. It's a stereotype. Vegas is very welcoming to the rodeo community and offers all those after shows that people love, and I'm sure that FL would too. FL has a nightlife with the clubs, but it also has a ton of family oriented things that Vegas is lacking. Some of you say you probably won't go if it moves, well they'll probably be drawing a new crowd anyway. Families that wouldn't take their little britches age kids before will now.
Exactly! It's crazy to assume that Osceola county will screw this up! For those that have never been there let me assure you it's not being ran by a bunch of idiots. Different than Vegas but just as "big time" | |
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Location: Florida.. | BamaCanChaser - 2013-12-16 10:04 AM This article answers some of ya'lls questions. Apparently the LVE is a non-profit organization, they are there to generate revenue for the city and the NFR generates a LOT. http://twistedrodeo.com/2013/12/16/las-vegas-could-lose-a-great-thi... Some of you are saying that you can't believe it's being moved to somewhere as NON-centrally located as FL (like Nevada is centrally located? ). Well this board is predominantly people west of the MS river. There are a LOT of rodeo fans on the east of the MS who are thrilled about the possibility of it moving. My FB newsfeed is blown up with people talking about it. Another thing, "The only thing Orlando has to offer is Disney" ???? That's like saying all Vegas has to offer is casinos. It's a stereotype. Vegas is very welcoming to the rodeo community and offers all those after shows that people love, and I'm sure that FL would too. FL has a nightlife with the clubs, but it also has a ton of family oriented things that Vegas is lacking. Some of you say you probably won't go if it moves, well they'll probably be drawing a new crowd anyway. Families that wouldn't take their little britches age kids before will now.
true.. .. I was againist it at first thinking it wouldnt have enough fun stuff besides the parks .. but there are tons.. Universal is all clubs out side on the boardwalk..so for the party animals.. also music venues.. there was water parks, 3 parks that take at least 2 days per park to see, the resorts are inside the parks area and high standard.POOLS to swim and alot are very cool not standard pools. romantic stuff.. and SAFE. no bums or beggers in that area.. of the parks.temps are warm.. Id still be concerned about the animals competing in the humidity or heat though, that to me is a concern and cost is higher. but its diffently family oriented and yet has adult fun as well. | |
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Rope-N-Run - 2013-12-16 1:44 AM Charley Crawford posted this to his Face book page, thought you guys might like to read it: Ok people, all the talk about the NFR is going crazy! We all stood up before a board the other day and asked them not to sign the 10 year contract that Las Vegas offered us while we have other multiple offers for a lot more money! This was agreed upon by every contestant in the top 15 at the NFR!! You can't be mad at the PRCA for finally standing behind us!! This is the first time we have all come together in an effort to make the sport better! I'm sorry if some of you feel like it might mess up your one fun week in Vegas, but this is something us cowboys and cowgirls work for our entire lives! We sacrifice time away from family, travel all year with no guaranteed pay, put more money back in from our own pockets all year than any other professional athletes do. Most of the guys getting to the finals come there with so much debt from the efforts of trying to get there that year that their biggest hope is to win enough to start the next year off at even! Sometimes in order to make things better you have to have a change! And remember moving the finals is not necessarily what the cowboys want, but if Vegas is not willing to come to the plate then we do have way better offers! And keep in mind, Vegas does have the opportunity to counter offer. So if we don't go back there, that on them not us!
look, the pros at the top of the prca want to make more money and that is what the prca is about ......making money.......and honestly, after that condescending comment by charlie crawford about fan fun week, i think even less about the PRCA ...obviously rodeo fans don't fit into the equation any more......it's a fine move in the short term if they can generate more prize money but Kissimee is expecting the fans and income like showed up in vegas and hopefully more......a community can thorw all the money at an event that they want but if the return isn't what is expected, in 7 years they will be looking for somewhere else and vegas won't be there......PRCA is going to start to find out how the politics of professional sports works with this deal and they better bring in the money for the community or they will be out........starting to look no different than NFL, NBA, etc........
You need to keep in mind that alot of people who go out to Vegas during the nfr just go out to party and never go to the rodeo. And think about the demographics of the people who do go to the rodeo, alot of those people don't drink or gamble. I think you would be surprised at the amount of those people who would be happy to see it moved outta sin city. And into a more family friendly city. Having said that I think the people who are going to actually attend the rodeo will still go.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you weren't a business major.
I'll go out on another limb and bet money that I have owned/and ran more business than you ever have or will. Assuming that you have ever even owned one, which would be a big assumption, " Mr.Trump" lol
Oh, don't internet whip me sir.
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Location: NOT at Wal Mart | BamaCanChaser - 2013-12-16 7:04 AM This article answers some of ya'lls questions. Apparently the LVE is a non-profit organization, they are there to generate revenue for the city and the NFR generates a LOT. http://twistedrodeo.com/2013/12/16/las-vegas-could-lose-a-great-thi... Some of you are saying that you can't believe it's being moved to somewhere as NON-centrally located as FL (like Nevada is centrally located? ). Well this board is predominantly people west of the MS river. There are a LOT of rodeo fans on the east of the MS who are thrilled about the possibility of it moving. My FB newsfeed is blown up with people talking about it. Another thing, "The only thing Orlando has to offer is Disney" ???? That's like saying all Vegas has to offer is casinos. It's a stereotype. Vegas is very welcoming to the rodeo community and offers all those after shows that people love, and I'm sure that FL would too. FL has a nightlife with the clubs, but it also has a ton of family oriented things that Vegas is lacking. Some of you say you probably won't go if it moves, well they'll probably be drawing a new crowd anyway. Families that wouldn't take their little britches age kids before will now.
I love children, raised 3, but there is nothing worse than listening to a screaming child thru the performance. Small children can not sit still for 2 1/2 hrs. Again, I like the adult theme Vegas has.
My FB is also blowing up on what a bad idea this is.
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Location: Florida.. | DD2012 - 2013-12-16 10:13 AM yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-16 8:38 AM DD2012 - 2013-12-16 8:29 AM yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-16 8:21 AM dhdqhllc - 2013-12-16 8:07 AM Rope-N-Run - 2013-12-16 1:44 AM Charley Crawford posted this to his Face book page, thought you guys might like to read it: Ok people, all the talk about the NFR is going crazy! We all stood up before a board the other day and asked them not to sign the 10 year contract that Las Vegas offered us while we have other multiple offers for a lot more money! This was agreed upon by every contestant in the top 15 at the NFR!! You can't be mad at the PRCA for finally standing behind us!! This is the first time we have all come together in an effort to make the sport better! I'm sorry if some of you feel like it might mess up your one fun week in Vegas, but this is something us cowboys and cowgirls work for our entire lives! We sacrifice time away from family, travel all year with no guaranteed pay, put more money back in from our own pockets all year than any other professional athletes do. Most of the guys getting to the finals come there with so much debt from the efforts of trying to get there that year that their biggest hope is to win enough to start the next year off at even! Sometimes in order to make things better you have to have a change! And remember moving the finals is not necessarily what the cowboys want, but if Vegas is not willing to come to the plate then we do have way better offers! And keep in mind, Vegas does have the opportunity to counter offer. So if we don't go back there, that on them not us! look, the pros at the top of the prca want to make more money and that is what the prca is about ......making money.......and honestly, after that condescending comment by charlie crawford about fan fun week, i think even less about the PRCA ...obviously rodeo fans don't fit into the equation any more......it's a fine move in the short term if they can generate more prize money but Kissimee is expecting the fans and income like showed up in vegas and hopefully more......a community can thorw all the money at an event that they want but if the return isn't what is expected, in 7 years they will be looking for somewhere else and vegas won't be there......PRCA is going to start to find out how the politics of professional sports works with this deal and they better bring in the money for the community or they will be out........starting to look no different than NFL, NBA, etc........ You need to keep in mind that alot of people who go out to Vegas during the nfr just go out to party and never go to the rodeo. And think about the demographics of the people who do go to the rodeo, alot of those people don't drink or gamble. I think you would be surprised at the amount of those people who would be happy to see it moved outta sin city. And into a more family friendly city. Having said that I think the people who are going to actually attend the rodeo will still go. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you weren't a business major. I'll go out on another limb and bet money that I have owned/and ran more business than you ever have or will. Assuming that you have ever even owned one, which would be a big assumption, " Mr.Trump" lol Oh, don't internet whip me sir.
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| I totally agree, I think the NFR should be moved every 4-6 years or so! | |
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| bocephus's mama - 2013-12-16 9:13 AM
I wonder what Vegas's offer compared to what it was already paying? Did it go up/down/stay the same? How much additional money would be going to the contestants if it moved to FL?
Plus, I'm sure the PRCA already considered the stock from Canada issue. FL has a couple of years to change that law.
And to the person saying the go-round wins only go up about $250/yr? Um...where'd that info come from? I remember distinctly when it was in the 13 thousand range and now it's in the 18 thousand range - and that wasn't 20 years ago.
From my understanding they haven't offered any more, saying they were already doing all they could. Which probably isn't true, but 4 million is alot more to come up with! So I just don't know if they'll ever match that. | |
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Location: Florida.. | justcruzin - 2013-12-16 10:15 AM BamaCanChaser - 2013-12-16 7:04 AM This article answers some of ya'lls questions. Apparently the LVE is a non-profit organization, they are there to generate revenue for the city and the NFR generates a LOT. http://twistedrodeo.com/2013/12/16/las-vegas-could-lose-a-great-thi... Some of you are saying that you can't believe it's being moved to somewhere as NON-centrally located as FL (like Nevada is centrally located? ). Well this board is predominantly people west of the MS river. There are a LOT of rodeo fans on the east of the MS who are thrilled about the possibility of it moving. My FB newsfeed is blown up with people talking about it. Another thing, "The only thing Orlando has to offer is Disney" ???? That's like saying all Vegas has to offer is casinos. It's a stereotype. Vegas is very welcoming to the rodeo community and offers all those after shows that people love, and I'm sure that FL would too. FL has a nightlife with the clubs, but it also has a ton of family oriented things that Vegas is lacking. Some of you say you probably won't go if it moves, well they'll probably be drawing a new crowd anyway. Families that wouldn't take their little britches age kids before will now.
My FB is also blowing up on what a bad idea this is.
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Rope-N-Run - 2013-12-16 1:44 AM Charley Crawford posted this to his Face book page, thought you guys might like to read it: Ok people, all the talk about the NFR is going crazy! We all stood up before a board the other day and asked them not to sign the 10 year contract that Las Vegas offered us while we have other multiple offers for a lot more money! This was agreed upon by every contestant in the top 15 at the NFR!! You can't be mad at the PRCA for finally standing behind us!! This is the first time we have all come together in an effort to make the sport better! I'm sorry if some of you feel like it might mess up your one fun week in Vegas, but this is something us cowboys and cowgirls work for our entire lives! We sacrifice time away from family, travel all year with no guaranteed pay, put more money back in from our own pockets all year than any other professional athletes do. Most of the guys getting to the finals come there with so much debt from the efforts of trying to get there that year that their biggest hope is to win enough to start the next year off at even! Sometimes in order to make things better you have to have a change! And remember moving the finals is not necessarily what the cowboys want, but if Vegas is not willing to come to the plate then we do have way better offers! And keep in mind, Vegas does have the opportunity to counter offer. So if we don't go back there, that on them not us!
look, the pros at the top of the prca want to make more money and that is what the prca is about ......making money.......and honestly, after that condescending comment by charlie crawford about fan fun week, i think even less about the PRCA ...obviously rodeo fans don't fit into the equation any more......it's a fine move in the short term if they can generate more prize money but Kissimee is expecting the fans and income like showed up in vegas and hopefully more......a community can thorw all the money at an event that they want but if the return isn't what is expected, in 7 years they will be looking for somewhere else and vegas won't be there......PRCA is going to start to find out how the politics of professional sports works with this deal and they better bring in the money for the community or they will be out........starting to look no different than NFL, NBA, etc........
You need to keep in mind that alot of people who go out to Vegas during the nfr just go out to party and never go to the rodeo. And think about the demographics of the people who do go to the rodeo, alot of those people don't drink or gamble. I think you would be surprised at the amount of those people who would be happy to see it moved outta sin city. And into a more family friendly city. Having said that I think the people who are going to actually attend the rodeo will still go.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you weren't a business major.
I'll go out on another limb and bet money that I have owned/and ran more business than you ever have or will. Assuming that you have ever even owned one, which would be a big assumption, " Mr.Trump" lol
Oh, don't internet whip me sir.
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| Vickie - 2013-12-16 6:29 AM I remember when the finals moved to Las Vegas, for sure we thought it was a bad move. Rodeo is family oriented and they want to move to "Sin City"! You can't get more family oriented than Orlando/Kissimmee area. Lots of stuff for kids to do, great hotels, clubs, restaurants, and you can drive 30 minutes and go to the beach. Plus we have a huge international airport, rail service, and after it is over spectators can go on a cruise.
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Rope-N-Run - 2013-12-16 1:44 AM Charley Crawford posted this to his Face book page, thought you guys might like to read it: Ok people, all the talk about the NFR is going crazy! We all stood up before a board the other day and asked them not to sign the 10 year contract that Las Vegas offered us while we have other multiple offers for a lot more money! This was agreed upon by every contestant in the top 15 at the NFR!! You can't be mad at the PRCA for finally standing behind us!! This is the first time we have all come together in an effort to make the sport better! I'm sorry if some of you feel like it might mess up your one fun week in Vegas, but this is something us cowboys and cowgirls work for our entire lives! We sacrifice time away from family, travel all year with no guaranteed pay, put more money back in from our own pockets all year than any other professional athletes do. Most of the guys getting to the finals come there with so much debt from the efforts of trying to get there that year that their biggest hope is to win enough to start the next year off at even! Sometimes in order to make things better you have to have a change! And remember moving the finals is not necessarily what the cowboys want, but if Vegas is not willing to come to the plate then we do have way better offers! And keep in mind, Vegas does have the opportunity to counter offer. So if we don't go back there, that on them not us!
look, the pros at the top of the prca want to make more money and that is what the prca is about ......making money.......and honestly, after that condescending comment by charlie crawford about fan fun week, i think even less about the PRCA ...obviously rodeo fans don't fit into the equation any more......it's a fine move in the short term if they can generate more prize money but Kissimee is expecting the fans and income like showed up in vegas and hopefully more......a community can thorw all the money at an event that they want but if the return isn't what is expected, in 7 years they will be looking for somewhere else and vegas won't be there......PRCA is going to start to find out how the politics of professional sports works with this deal and they better bring in the money for the community or they will be out........starting to look no different than NFL, NBA, etc........
You need to keep in mind that alot of people who go out to Vegas during the nfr just go out to party and never go to the rodeo. And think about the demographics of the people who do go to the rodeo, alot of those people don't drink or gamble. I think you would be surprised at the amount of those people who would be happy to see it moved outta sin city. And into a more family friendly city. Having said that I think the people who are going to actually attend the rodeo will still go.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you weren't a business major.
I'll go out on another limb and bet money that I have owned/and ran more business than you ever have or will. Assuming that you have ever even owned one, which would be a big assumption, " Mr.Trump" lol
Oh, don't internet whip me sir.
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Location: in the ozone | I personally do NOT like Vegas ... but I like that it is closer and less expensive to fly there - and that you can find rooms pretty reasonable. I wonder if FL will have places where you can watch it on big screen too? (someone may have already addressed this & I missed it). We enjoy watching it that way as well since we can't afford tickets for every night | |
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Location: Midwest | Being someone that has no children, I doubt I would ever go to the NFR if it became a "family" venture. I'm sorry, but I'm not really a kid person... and additionally I'd be suprised if the cost of going would not be significantly more (for a fan to attend via flight, hotel, etc). That moves "going to the NFR" from my bucket list to my list of "I would never's"...and I'm sure I'm not alone
I think the humidity would def be an issue for stock...
Personally I'd prefer it to stay in Vegas. I understand how the contestants want it to go where the money is, but I think in the long run it would not be as good for the PRCA to move as some are thinking...
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Location: Florida.. | alot say they wont go to florida but havent gone to vegas either..But agree... the cost wILL be more.. I dont know how much hotels are there but roughly 80-120 for a hotel per night 20 minutes from disney and on kingdom area could run 250 and Up a night.estimates
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Location: Colorado | I wonder if they would have to go back to paying their own entry fees? Doesn't Charlie Binion pay them now? | |
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| I have NOT read all of the posts on here, but I really would not mind if it moved to FL. My reasons are selfish though...
It is because it would be closer to me! I would so be going! It has always been on my bucket list, but with it being in Vegas would probably not be the case all the time.
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| graciemay - 2013-12-16 9:37 AM I wonder if they would have to go back to paying their own entry fees? Doesn't Charlie Binion pay them now?
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