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| ozcancrasher13 - 2014-01-08 10:10 AM rodeodelux - 2014-01-08 9:54 AM ozcancrasher13 - 2014-01-08 8:43 AM What are your thoughts about this....
The cowboys voted for the PRCA to reject LVE's offer. So, the PRCA did this. Now, the cowboys are leaving the PRCA to start their own organization with some of the reason being that they want more control. The PRCA did what they asked.
The decision to reject $1M income from RFDTV and instead pay CBSSports is a weird one. I would like to know the whole story behind that. In the article with KC Jones, it says the members voted unanimously to work with Vegas.
Now they did, but during the Finals, they voted and told the PRCA to refuse LVE's offer.
What I'm asking, is for everyone's thoughts on this turn around. Especially all the people who thought the NFR didn't need Vegas.
Vegas wasn't offering enough money for the cowboys, yet here they are working with LVE.
The PRCA board of directors may have had very legitimate reasons to make the decisions they did. The real problem is that the membership doesn't know what they are. Either communication with membership is poor or the decisions don't reflect memberships view. |
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| cooper08 - 2014-01-08 10:49 AM
threeponies - 2014-01-08 5:56 AM
I have no idea what the details on this will turn out to be - but if the top names don't join and a PRCA rodeo is held.. do they really think that contestants and crowds won't show up? it would be a small impact for a short time.. until other people become the 'names' by winning. Problem is that people get to the top of this sport and keep trying to compare it to professional team etc - when it is closer to golf or tennis. It is a revolving door of who is on the top and the beauty of rodeo is that any contestant that enters can in theory win it - so local has just a good of chance as name that travels. As far as the PRCA & WPRA becoming one - didn't we just go down the road and it was a disaster? The associates need to keep the membership first - not individuals.
This is a side note- My rookie year was the year of the PWBR and I LOVED it. The PRCA made a huge profit off the barrels with much smaller sponsorship input (I heard a million dollar profit ), it was more organized and actually paid more at each rodeo (didn't have the WPRA chunk coming out of each fee ). WPRA should be making a big profit each year and should be able to do much more for the contestants than it does. When it went back to WPRA I got knocked out of three rodeos for "not" paying fees that I had to the secretary, then later in the year got knocked out of a few for trying to pay fees that I owed through the office but they showed I didn't until they updated three weeks late and 10 minutes before books closed. I ended up throwing a wild eyed fit at the second batch and told them to put me last in slack- they did and I somehow ended up 30 from the end. Apparently it happened to quite a few girls.
Ditto. Exact same thing!! My rookie yr was the PWBR then when it went back to the WPRA it went way down hill!! |
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Location: 'Hawk Country | Red Raider - 2014-01-08 10:45 AM I think it's more of a thing where the PRCA were already going to vote the LVE offer down and it just so happened that they had the support of most of the members. It's easy to claim you were listening to your members when you were planning on doing that anyway.
Now I think that most of the members who were saying that the PRCA was supporting them are realizing that it's not the case and they don't have as much say as they thought. That's why they are asking for two more positions and they are meeting opposition -- the PRCA doesn't really want them to have the power to change those big decisions already being put in place.
I get where you are coming from. I'm just playing devil's advocat, wanting everyone's thoughts and perspectives, all sides
I do know the cowboys/cowgirls had a meeting during the Finals, voted to turn down LVE's offer, and let the PRCA know. So, the PRCA could very well have been planning to turn it down anyway, but those who were there this year, did vote that way.
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Location: North Dakota -> Colorado | The only thing that I am concerned about is that I have seen a couple of places is that it is for the "elite", so what about all the little people before they work their way up. Everyone has to work their way up, so how does this include the newbies and rookies? |
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Location: Oklahoma or who knows maybe trucking ? | Remember back in 2007 when the PRCA took the barrel racers away from the WPRA ? Well they wanted them and then when they got them and they went and competed for them at the end of the year they didn't post the results of the circuit finals for the barrel racers. I you go back and look there is no postings of any barrel racing results at all for the whole year for 2007 not even circuit finals that is a shame that goes to show you how the PRCA appreciates their contestants . That was when they were in a law suit with WPRA and lost and the WPRA won and got the barrel racers back in 2008 and started posting results again.
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Location: nj | There is an update on the Facebook page - part of it says that what they are trying to do wouldn't be until 2015. It also mentions something about a 2 card system, anyone know what the 'two card' reference means on the facebook page? |
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Contestants want more money in the pot to win at the NFR so PRCA turns down LVE for possible move to FLA. Minimal details are out about FLA, except new venue and more money from an undetermined source.
LV hotels and casinos sponsor many contestants
NFR leaves LV - LV hotels/casinos - no need to sponsor contestants thus a loss of sponsorship to contestants - hotels and casinos can sponsor other things that bring customers to their properties in LV.
Contestants still in a hope to make it to NFR and hope to make my profit there situation regardless of whether the NFR is in LV or FLA. So loss of sponsorship makes it harder to get to the NFR to stand a chance at making a profit.
Undetermined source of money in FLA must still be undetermined.
The contestants starting new organization want to cut out the middle man and the cost of the middle man or at least reducing that cost. Contestants keep their LV hotel/casino sponsors, money expended on the middle man reduced and can be put in the pot and up for grabs for the contestants.
There must still be something in the mix for the PRCA with a move to FLA that hasn't been revealed. The contestants wanting an increase in payout was a good excuse, but the fact that they are now pulling away - something there for PRCA still. They are being very quiet and what I find interesting about their statement is: (1) they claim to be out of the loop about LVE deadline (hard to believe …. think … asking a little kid "who ate the cookies?" and the kid looking at you with big round eyes and cookie crumbs all over his face responds, "I dunno".) and (2) What they aren't saying … "we believe its in the organizations best interest to look at the options" or "at the request of the contestants we are reaching out to LVE to discuss an extension of the deadline" or anything.
Just an outsider's perspective from the bits and pieces floating around here and on FB. I could be totally wrong.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | threeponies - 2014-01-08 5:26 PM There is an update on the Facebook page - part of it says that what they are trying to do wouldn't be until 2015. It also mentions something about a 2 card system, anyone know what the 'two card' reference means on the facebook page?
From my understanding if you want to try to qualify for the NFR you buy a certain card and if you don't you buy a different card. |
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Location: ND | CYA Ranch - 2014-01-08 6:01 PM threeponies - 2014-01-08 5:26 PM There is an update on the Facebook page - part of it says that what they are trying to do wouldn't be until 2015. It also mentions something about a 2 card system, anyone know what the 'two card' reference means on the facebook page? From my understanding if you want to try to qualify for the NFR you buy a certain card and if you don't you buy a different card.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | dhdqhllc - 2014-01-08 6:12 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-01-08 6:01 PM threeponies - 2014-01-08 5:26 PM There is an update on the Facebook page - part of it says that what they are trying to do wouldn't be until 2015. It also mentions something about a 2 card system, anyone know what the 'two card' reference means on the facebook page? From my understanding if you want to try to qualify for the NFR you buy a certain card and if you don't you buy a different card.
Oh boy now your putting me to the test. I input info in my brain and don't remember where it comes from.  I think I heard it from my brother who was at the NFR this year and maybe heard it out there? Or he has a buddy in Arkansas that's a pro roper and he maybe told bro. I'll text him and find out. |
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Location: ND | CYA Ranch - 2014-01-08 6:17 PM dhdqhllc - 2014-01-08 6:12 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-01-08 6:01 PM threeponies - 2014-01-08 5:26 PM There is an update on the Facebook page - part of it says that what they are trying to do wouldn't be until 2015. It also mentions something about a 2 card system, anyone know what the 'two card' reference means on the facebook page? From my understanding if you want to try to qualify for the NFR you buy a certain card and if you don't you buy a different card.
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Location: Broxton, Ga | dhdqhllc - 2014-01-07 7:31 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-01-08 6:17 PM dhdqhllc - 2014-01-08 6:12 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-01-08 6:01 PM threeponies - 2014-01-08 5:26 PM There is an update on the Facebook page - part of it says that what they are trying to do wouldn't be until 2015. It also mentions something about a 2 card system, anyone know what the 'two card' reference means on the facebook page? From my understanding if you want to try to qualify for the NFR you buy a certain card and if you don't you buy a different card.
Never heard of 2 different "cards"......may have been in reference to a permit and then a card holder after the $1000.00 is won on the permit.........????? |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | Breaking News: PRCA Update and responseJanuary 8, 2014 By Jason Hetland Okay folks, remember me saying that I hope there was a response from the home office of the Professional Rodeo Cowboy Association and its Board of Directors. Well our wishes came true, sort of, as the PRCA home office issued a statement late last night that I have just received a few minutes ago from the headquarters themselves. Once you read it you all can start to draw your own conclusions and start to take sides as more information starts to come out. As you may already expect the two sides are very far apart on what actually happened and what is being demanded. Here is the official statement from the headquarters of the Professional Rodeo Cowboy Association and its Board of Directors: PRCA Statement January 7, 2014 A group of approximately 20 PRCA contestants called a meeting Jan. 3-4 in Waco, Texas, a day after requesting a special PRCA Board of Directors meeting. Upon 48 hours’ notice, the PRCA Board agreed to hold that special meeting via teleconference on Jan. 4. During the Jan. 4 Board meeting, the 11 contestants in attendance asked the PRCA Board to add and amend 18 bylaws related primarily to newly created contestant Board seats and contestant eligibility for the Wrangler National Finals Rodeo. The contestants discussed their proposed bylaw changes at length with the Board. The PRCA Board expressed concerns about the contestant demand that all 18 bylaw changes be voted on that same day, within 48 hours of the notice of the meeting, as that timing did not allow for the necessary vetting and research to be done in order to make legally sound, informed business decisions greatly affecting the entire membership. The contestants stated that their urgency for immediate answers was based upon their belief that a deadline of Jan. 6 existed for negotiating the Wrangler National Finals Rodeo contract. However, the PRCA Board was never informed of any Jan. 6 deadline, and was at the very same time receiving a conflicting counter-offer deadline of Jan. 14 from multiple members of the Las Vegas Events Board. In the interest of serving all 6,000-plus PRCA members and the entire sport of professional rodeo, the PRCA Board requested additional time to research and carefully consider all requests from the contestant group, but the 11 contestants denied that request.
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Location: 'Hawk Country | CJE - 2014-01-08 7:12 PM dhdqhllc - 2014-01-07 7:31 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-01-08 6:17 PM dhdqhllc - 2014-01-08 6:12 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-01-08 6:01 PM threeponies - 2014-01-08 5:26 PM There is an update on the Facebook page - part of it says that what they are trying to do wouldn't be until 2015. It also mentions something about a 2 card system, anyone know what the 'two card' reference means on the facebook page? From my understanding if you want to try to qualify for the NFR you buy a certain card and if you don't you buy a different card.
I'm not exactly sure of the 2 card option, but what I've heard is that there would be something similar to what Canada has put in. A card that you can go qualify for the NFR on and then a regular PRCA card. The NFR card, you can go to only PRCA sanctioned rodeos. The other card, you can enter PRCA sanctioned rodeos, open rodeos, invitation rodeos... |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | ozcancrasher13 - 2014-01-08 8:12 PM CJE - 2014-01-08 7:12 PM dhdqhllc - 2014-01-07 7:31 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-01-08 6:17 PM dhdqhllc - 2014-01-08 6:12 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-01-08 6:01 PM threeponies - 2014-01-08 5:26 PM There is an update on the Facebook page - part of it says that what they are trying to do wouldn't be until 2015. It also mentions something about a 2 card system, anyone know what the 'two card' reference means on the facebook page? From my understanding if you want to try to qualify for the NFR you buy a certain card and if you don't you buy a different card.
I'm waiting for a reply from my brother to see if that's where I got my information. I hope I didn't talk out of line. That would be so unlike me.
Oz you described it way better than I did. LOL |
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Location: North of the 49th Parallel | ozcancrasher13 - 2014-01-08 6:12 PM CJE - 2014-01-08 7:12 PM dhdqhllc - 2014-01-07 7:31 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-01-08 6:17 PM dhdqhllc - 2014-01-08 6:12 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-01-08 6:01 PM threeponies - 2014-01-08 5:26 PM There is an update on the Facebook page - part of it says that what they are trying to do wouldn't be until 2015. It also mentions something about a 2 card system, anyone know what the 'two card' reference means on the facebook page? From my understanding if you want to try to qualify for the NFR you buy a certain card and if you don't you buy a different card.
Uh, I don't have my CPRA (Canadian Pro) card but I'm pretty sure that's not the case. There's a permit (need to win $1,000) and then a semi-pro (where you need to win $1,000 that same year you purchased it) and then you can buy your regular card but the last time that rumour went around, I'm almost positive it was shot down. And as far as the semi-pro, it has to do with ammy-rodeos and eligibility (as I understand it), not rodeos like Calgary, etc. |
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Location: Texas | I have no idea what is going on with the PRCA and these cowboys. I have no idea what they asked the PRCA to do or not do. Maybe the PRCA is doing the right thing, maybe it's not. I would really like to know WHAT they wanted to change, not just the vague things they are saying.
My only concern is this, when they talk about how people come to see the top professionals in their sport, like THAT'S the reason why people are coming to all the rodeos. Ehhh, part of it. But it's not the main reason, except for the NFR when you wait all year to see WHO is making it.
I personally believe the reason why MOST spectators come to MOST rodeos except the NFR, is for the concert after the rodeo and the carnival/fair activities.
You don't even know who is entered at MOST of the rodeos except for the handful of super big rodeos where they limit the top 50, or invite people and then post it on their website. The only way to know who is up what day and when is if you get your hands on a trade list. People come to the rodeos anyway, not knowing who will be there.
I am all for change if it is fair and good for all members. I still have goals of trying to make it as far to the top as I can in rodeo… I don't know where my limit will be. I hope whatever the change is, it doesn't make people like me feel like it's no longer a possibility to do that. For all I know, this could be in our favor too. Or it couldn't.. I would *really* like to know what they want changed…
ETA- I am not saying people aren't coming to see the rodeo itself or the cowboys. I know as far as we are concerned, when we go to rodeos to watch, that is ALL I care about. But just seeing the people I see spectating at rodeos and I am there, there's a lot of people who are not involved with rodeo personally, who are just coming to watch, that don't keep track of standings, and are just wanting to have a good time that weekend.
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Location: 'Hawk Country | bccanchaser16 - 2014-01-08 8:26 PM ozcancrasher13 - 2014-01-08 6:12 PM CJE - 2014-01-08 7:12 PM dhdqhllc - 2014-01-07 7:31 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-01-08 6:17 PM dhdqhllc - 2014-01-08 6:12 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-01-08 6:01 PM threeponies - 2014-01-08 5:26 PM There is an update on the Facebook page - part of it says that what they are trying to do wouldn't be until 2015. It also mentions something about a 2 card system, anyone know what the 'two card' reference means on the facebook page? From my understanding if you want to try to qualify for the NFR you buy a certain card and if you don't you buy a different card. Uh, I don't have my CPRA (Canadian Pro ) card but I'm pretty sure that's not the case. There's a permit (need to win $1,000 ) and then a semi-pro (where you need to win $1,000 that same year you purchased it ) and then you can buy your regular card but the last time that rumour went around, I'm almost positive it was shot down. And as far as the semi-pro, it has to do with ammy-rodeos and eligibility (as I understand it ), not rodeos like Calgary, etc.
It's just being put in. Randa was explaining it the other day. The way she explained it is that it is to encourage the rodeos to sanction their rodeos CPRA so that the rodeos will get all the cowboys/cowgirls who are running at the CFR to enter. |
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