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Location: Oklahoma | barlracr429 - 2014-01-15 6:02 PM
Dinky Red Man.  They are athletic, fast, quick little suckers and very smart learners, but their minds are soooooo so sooo very fragile that they tend to come un-done.  I realize they've won a ton up and down the east coast and at the AQHA World shows, but I owned one and she was the fastest, quickest horse I've ever ridden, but also the most mentally crazy.  they are a dime a dozen around here and maybe 1 out of 10 can keep it together. I've watched a lot of them come un-done under the hands of many different riders. I know a lot of respectable people around here won't touch them with a ten foot pole.Â
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Location: CA | I am the only barrel racer on the planet that doesn't like dash for cash. Never had a nice one, they all were buckers and **** heads. They followed the first down dash line. I just gave away an impressive mare... she was a piece of crap... now I have a cute two eyed jack mare.... I dont' ride papers, but I do look for "patterns". |
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| I really like impressive horses. I have had two with him on the papers, one was double breed. I owned them both at the same time and did well with them. Athletic as he** but very very sensitive mentally, you had to really keep your own nerves in check and stick to the routine, but they were good looking suckers.
I am not found of skipper w horses, BEAUTIFUL but iv been around a few that just wanted to pull dirty nasty tricks. I'm just not a fan.
I own, run, and love my Oklahoma star mare. They are know around hear to be bad buckers, she in a way lives up to this. she is now 12 and if she has an extended period off ( more than about a week) it is a good idea to lunge her a few circles each way, if you do she is fine.
The only lines I absolutely will not own again are Apollo get, iv owned two sons of his and neither one had anything between the ears, and would just blow up when pressured.
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Location: My own little world :) | SKM - 2014-01-15 6:44 PM
I must say...I am really glad that I never asked about bloodlines when I bought this filly. Double bred Beduino.... Go Man Go.... that dreaded Hancock.... all that's missing is Impressive. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/grc+quick+scrutinyI did listen to BHW once and passed up a PYC Paint Your Wagon filly for $6,000 because everyone here said it was too much. She sold for $10,000, ran out about $13,000 on the track as a 2 year old and is now in the barrel pen. I learned my lesson on that one.
As for the Hancock haters... you do all realize that he was foaled in 1923? So that means that his bloodline is so diluted that there could easily be other horses more responsible for the broncy behaviour?
Or... let's face it, some horses are simply not meant for some people. Call it a personality clash or what have you. I believe bad horses , regardless of the bloodline, are few and far inbetween. But the Man Made nasty ones are a dime a dozen.Â
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Location: North of where I want to be | Its ironic to me that I LOVE almost all the lines that people dislike! I am a huge fan of the Impressive bred mares. They will give 110% but will also come totally unglued in the wrong hands. I know that market ability is tough though.
I love the old speed lines. Doc Bar is one of my all time favorite lines and the irony her is while I can usually spot an Impressive horse in a line up, I can smell a DB horse from a mile away.
SKPW, TD, JH are all in my top 10 older lines I love.
Lines have limited experience with are:
Beduino(but so far have only met 1 I like)
MSM...I want one soooooo bad!!!!
Packin Six...I have a love ?have relationship.....2 of them have been knock outs.....1 literally tried to kill me.
I want to know more about the SF/FWF horses.........
anything Olena seems to be a bit fragile
DTF...love them but they are a little delicate both metally/physically |
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| I try not to discriminate to badly on bloodlines because I think each horse is different and their upbringing can have a lot to do with it. However, I dont think I mesh with OTMR horses. I too stay clear of impressive due to resale (I dont buy/sell often) but I like to know the option is there. My experience with Go Man Go horses isnt great either, just feel they have very fragile minds.
Ive had good luck with Peppy San horses, I know they can be kinda p*ssy but they are hard workers. |
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Location: Royal J Performance Horses, AZ | I dont discriminate against blood lines. Every horse is an individual and should be treated as such. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | quote]OregonBR - 2014-01-15 1:58 PM
There are all sorts of reasons why someone may not like a line. I tend not to buy any Impressive, Beduino, Murrtheblurr, (more locally), Mr Go Devil, Desierto, any halter lines.  I can't think of anymore but I'm sure they are there.  Some lines are fast as all get out, but not known to be turny. Those I tend to stay away from. It doesn't mean they are great horses. Just don't fit in with what I want.
I also steer clear of the non-barrel horse lines, the ranchy lines and the lines that are known for genetic diseases or fragile minds are forbidden.Â
The only Skipper W I like is through Biankus. I have two mares from Biankus through Captain Biankus.
I do have a granddaughter of Peppy San Badger that I love. She's the only non-barrel horse turny line I have left. I have bred her to 3 different studs and the best ones are by my current stallion HAB. They have all been easy to break and work with all their heart when given a job. I do think they need a job, not just stand around 5 days of the week and taken out on the weekend. The "bucking" that people talk about was never a problem for her. She was out of a very good minded mare. She is cinchy though. And one of her kids by a son of Judge Cash can get naughty. She's also very talented. So they put up with her.Â
It's not necessarily because I don't get along with them. Though that will get one sold.  I look at results. I pick lines that I like AND that work in the arena.  Just like was already stated, I don't think much of horses that will puke when you need them. I don't ride anymore. But when I did the most frustrating animal was the one that had tons of talent but no desire or they were counterfeit. Make you think they were better than sliced bread then puke when the money was up.  I can't stand them. 
Oops... I forgot about Murr.... Mainly because it IS just a local line up in the NW... But I just dealt with one daughter and was not sure they were all like that. (tho I have heard they were)
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| Fancie_That_Chrome_ - 2014-01-15 9:50 PM I dont discriminate against blood lines. Every horse is an individual and should be treated as such.
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| I won't have another Oklahoma Fuel or another Bully Bullion - my Oklahoma Fuel was counterfit and my Bully Bullion shattered my arm and acted like a total idiot 24/7. |
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Location: Some where I haven't left yet | Murrtheblurr..... No thank you, and have a great day :) lol
I think preferences in bloodlines are personal. Each has their own personality traits that they love or not in a horse. I love certain bloodlines because they posess traits that I love and personalities that I get along with a high percentage of the time. And while I dispise Murrtheblurr there are quite a few people that love him.
Find the bloodlines that you like and mesh with and stick with them.
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Location: MD | runs4fun - 2014-01-15 3:23 PM
halter_ego - 2014-01-15 1:08 PM No Impressive or Skipper W The first horse to run a sub 15 at the NBHA World Show in Augusta in the early days was Skipper Joe Three Bars (Skipper W)....one bad to the bone, moto-scooter! Won everything there was to win in the state of FL!Â
Tootle and that horse were some kind of something, for sure! |
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Location: South Dakota | Peppy San Badger. |
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Location: South Dakota | stayceem - 2014-01-15 8:44 PM I try not to discriminate to badly on bloodlines because I think each horse is different and their upbringing can have a lot to do with it. However, I dont think I mesh with OTMR horses. I too stay clear of impressive due to resale (I dont buy/sell often) but I like to know the option is there. My experience with Go Man Go horses isnt great either, just feel they have very fragile minds. Ive had good luck with Peppy San horses, I know they can be kinda p*ssy but they are hard workers.
We had one that was Go Man Go, John Red and Jet Deck. Not real close but all on there. Worst horse ever! He was a flighty kicking horse that had no mind whatsoever. |
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| I see a lot of you don't like impressive but the only one I ever had was the sweetest most willing horse I've ever had. She wasn't the fastest but gave you the same consistent run every time. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Griz - 2014-01-16 5:28 AM I won't have another Oklahoma Fuel or another Bully Bullion - my Oklahoma Fuel was counterfit and my Bully Bullion shattered my arm and acted like a total idiot 24/7.
I'd like to see the FULL pedigree on a lot of the horses that have been mentioned.... It's funny how people pick out the biggest name in a pedigree and either praise or blame everything in that direction. |
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| I think I am just really weird. I love my Peppy San Badger. She did take a lot of work in the beginning, and she will make a new rider prove themselves, but she is athletic, quick, gritty, and has a ton of try.
We had a daughter of Pacific Bailey when I was younger. She is the only horse we have ever had that I think was truly crazy. I know it could have come from the dams side, and now it would be too far back in the pedigree to make me turn one down, but she really turned me off of that line. |
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Location: SW MO | We had a horse that was Jet Deck top & bottom
The worst horse we ever had by far. We sold him to the killers, because that was where he need to go he was going to kill someone.
He was a beautiful jet black horse but he really had not one but several screws loose.
Would I own another one probably because a different cross or a different up bringing might make all the difference in the world |
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| I think you should treat each horse as an individual but I have to say if you have had a bad experience with one blood line it can be hard to change your mind.
I too fell into the impressive is bad (even tho I had no experience with the line). Just all the bad talk I suppose. BUT I am happy to say I didn't let it stop me from buying my new gelding. He is double bred impressive on his dam's side (like 6 gens back tho). He is also triple bred Rocket bar. Has On a High, Speckled Trace, Lightning Bar, Breeze Bar, Nuther dude, poco ... and some other nice QH race, TB race and performance lines (much closer then the impressive.) As long as he was N/N I didn't really care the rest of the horse impressed me lol
So far I'm really liking him! He has the most curious, sweet and loving attitude! He has drive to run so I would call him hot but not spooky which rocks! I find hot and spooky keep close company a lot! I had him through an obstacle/trail course last night for the first time and he did fantastic. Jumped his first fence undersaddle last night too.
I also turned down an impressive bred paint tho. This horse screamed HALTER or WP to me. I'm not blaming that on impressive! His halter lines were much more recent. Nice horse, nice attitude, beautifully marked. But very calm. Nicely build but his pasterns worried me (I think he had halter like pasterns and rode short strided). I even posted a pic of him and everyone thought he was built wonderfully.goose bottom, nice hocks and rear... |
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