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TurnLane
Reg. May 2007
Posted 2014-01-31 10:42 AM
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HotPants - 2014-01-30 7:41 PM  Ok off purine for a moment what is he feedback on buckeye feeds anyone???

Buckeye has their ingredients listed on Gro N Win as: Dehulled SBM, Processed SB, Wheat Midds, DDG (distillers dried grain---VERY processed corn by product btw), Alfalfa meal and so on....just FYI.  
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Posted 2014-01-31 10:45 AM
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dream_chaser - 2014-01-30 4:45 PM  So is it required feed companies list ingredients on their products.....monitored by any Federal or State regulators?

In Oklahoma they are regulated (random testing weekly both bags and bulk) and fined if they do not meet the label.  
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We have jumped around trying different feeds on differenet horses ye we always come back to Purina products.  I have spent a lot of time their facility in Missouri many times where they do the equine feed research and the mill.  I absolutely cannot believe the bashing that goes on here anymore on every topic.  I guess i dont love my animals because I feed them Purina products even though they look great and perform wonderfully.  Purina feeder, supporter and proud of it.  It works for our barn. For us to buy all the products in the raw and make our own feed we would be broke in 2 months.  Purina puts out a great product at a good value. if your horse didnt do well on it doesnt mean the product is inferior it means it just didnt work for your horse.  Just like in humans what some of us eat others cannot.  When you are looking at feed labels you have to keep in mind that what one company may put in their feed in one part of the country will differ in another part because they will make adjustments for soil content in the particular region as well as weather factors.  So when a label may not read the same from one state to another that is the reason as well as by season they will change due to weather factors especially in states with humidity.  Equine Senior, Junior, Strategy, Omolene feeds are supposed to be the same region to region for those traveling a lot with horses can be assured of the same mix no matter where they are traveling in the US.  
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uno-dos-tres! - 2014-01-31 9:58 AM

I'm getting a little long in the tooth and still trying to improve. I love doing my research, and like you want to keep it clean! The horse doesn't burn out when good things are used in him.

Talk to Ralco, their looking for racetrack feed back on their feed. The research on the Fl running horses on their Equi-FibΒ product convinced me to give it a try on my 6 yo Geld I hope to rodeo on a little bit.

I have a meeting set to talk with the developer of the feed and her reasoning on certian additions. I feel pretty certian is the "fillers" UGH!

I like you love to research everything for my horses. We had racehorses and total believe that we got more out of them than some other trainers did because they were fed the very best. I try to do all I can for them can't always do what I would like but try. I only have oats and a vit/min supplement right now but it is a good one and they all look great. I will chat about feeds ect for hours or longer if someone will talk with me about it.
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Posted 2014-01-31 11:09 AM
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Some friends of ours went and toured the Purina manufacturing plant. They were so meticulous on everything they did. It's really confusing to me that so many people dislike their feed due to the differences in their products, but at the plants, it's such a different story. We feed Purina products with really good results. Choosing a feed is getting to be very challenging.
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Posted 2014-01-31 11:17 AM
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lisamm - 2014-01-31 7:35 AM
Hollywood's Fan - 2014-01-30 3:00 PM
Nevertooold - 2014-01-31 3:22 PM I would say that Purina finally stepped up to the plate...they haven't before. They have always listed ingredients on their bags but it was with grain by products etc instead of listing what actual grains were in their feed. I've been a hater and will continue to be. Purina sucks..LOL
Β I don't like it either.Β  Wheat Middings and Soy Hulls.Β  I wonder, does the OP know what those are?Β 
Totally agree, just fillers and junk...... Purina and Nutrena both are terrible! Plus the recommended amount to feed of those feeds is just plain nuts. When I see people only feeding 1lb of a feed that your suppose to be feeding 10-14lbs you might as well throw your money away. I will stick with my Progressive feed that actually stands behind their products with no national backing....

Which Progressive item do you feed?Β 

I feed http://www.prognutrition.com/pagrassformula.html costs about $35 a bag but lasts me 25 days on my stud and about 40 days on my mares.... we use to feed stategy years ago and had to feed 17lbs A DAY to keep weight on one of my show horses, it was nuts! Then all the corn and sugar in the inconsistent products in the omolene made my college rodeo mare a complete wack job! We also had issues with the horses eating it one week and get a new bag and wouldn't touch it, that tells me they change their feed! I have NEVER once had that issue with progressive feed! I now feed 2lbs of progressive to my stallion and 1.5lbs to my mares plus crimped oats. I have never been more happy, we switched over 7 years ago and never looked back. We attended a feed seminar oh about 3 years ago and I will never let my horses eat purina or nutrena again thats all I will say about that. This is a awesome fat supp too I have used....http://www.prognutrition.com/envisionclassic.html
I recently switched to progressive mineral too and they LOVE it! I have a regular mineral and salt block they eat on a little, the redmonds my horses wont even look at it and now the have the progressive loose mineral and block out and they eat on it much more than the others! I have left them all out there to monitor and they have not touched the others since putting the progressive mineral out. Wonderful products, best on the market IMO http://www.prognutrition.com/grassmineral.html

I just went on purina and found average feeding for a breeding stallion and a heavy worked horse:
Strategy 8.25-16 pounds a day!
Omolene 7.5-16 pounds a day

so these feeds you are getting 4-6 days of feeding out of a bag, because if you don't feed the noted values you might as well not feed it at all...

Progressive grass 3pound MAX for breeding stallion and heavy worked horses so 50# bag lasts 16 days

Like I said everyone has their opinions but I feel progressive offers the best product on the market and my horses all love it :)
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TurnLane
Reg. May 2007
Posted 2014-01-31 11:27 AM
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lisamm - 2014-01-31 11:17 AM
TurnLane - 2014-01-31 8:16 AM
lisamm - 2014-01-31 7:35 AM
Hollywood's Fan - 2014-01-30 3:00 PM
Nevertooold - 2014-01-31 3:22 PM I would say that Purina finally stepped up to the plate...they haven't before. They have always listed ingredients on their bags but it was with grain by products etc instead of listing what actual grains were in their feed. I've been a hater and will continue to be. Purina sucks..LOL
 I don't like it either.  Wheat Middings and Soy Hulls.  I wonder, does the OP know what those are? 
Totally agree, just fillers and junk...... Purina and Nutrena both are terrible! Plus the recommended amount to feed of those feeds is just plain nuts. When I see people only feeding 1lb of a feed that your suppose to be feeding 10-14lbs you might as well throw your money away. I will stick with my Progressive feed that actually stands behind their products with no national backing....
Which Progressive item do you feed? 
I feed http://www.prognutrition.com/pagrassformula.html costs about $35 a bag but lasts me 25 days on my stud and about 40 days on my mares.... we use to feed stategy years ago and had to feed 17lbs A DAY to keep weight on one of my show horses, it was nuts! Then all the corn and sugar in the inconsistent products in the omolene made my college rodeo mare a complete wack job! We also had issues with the horses eating it one week and get a new bag and wouldn't touch it, that tells me they change their feed! I have NEVER once had that issue with progressive feed! I now feed 2lbs of progressive to my stallion and 1.5lbs to my mares plus crimped oats. I have never been more happy, we switched over 7 years ago and never looked back. We attended a feed seminar oh about 3 years ago and I will never let my horses eat purina or nutrena again thats all I will say about that. This is a awesome fat supp too I have used....http://www.prognutrition.com/envisionclassic.html I recently switched to progressive mineral too and they LOVE it! I have a regular mineral and salt block they eat on a little, the redmonds my horses wont even look at it and now the have the progressive loose mineral and block out and they eat on it much more than the others! I have left them all out there to monitor and they have not touched the others since putting the progressive mineral out. Wonderful products, best on the market IMO http://www.prognutrition.com/grassmineral.html I just went on purina and found average feeding for a breeding stallion and a heavy worked horse: Strategy 8.25-16 pounds a day! Omolene 7.5-16 pounds a day so these feeds you are getting 4-6 days of feeding out of a bag, because if you don't feed the noted values you might as well not feed it at all... Progressive grass 3pound MAX for breeding stallion and heavy worked horses so 50# bag lasts 16 days Like I said everyone has their opinions but I feel progressive offers the best product on the market and my horses all love it :)

Thanks for posting the link so the Purina haters can see the same by products as the primary ingredients (GASP!!)  
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redracinmo
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Posted 2014-01-31 11:37 AM
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TurnLane - 2014-01-31 11:27 AM
lisamm - 2014-01-31 11:17 AM
TurnLane - 2014-01-31 8:16 AM
lisamm - 2014-01-31 7:35 AM
Hollywood's Fan - 2014-01-30 3:00 PM
Nevertooold - 2014-01-31 3:22 PM I would say that Purina finally stepped up to the plate...they haven't before. They have always listed ingredients on their bags but it was with grain by products etc instead of listing what actual grains were in their feed. I've been a hater and will continue to be. Purina sucks..LOL
 I don't like it either.  Wheat Middings and Soy Hulls.  I wonder, does the OP know what those are? 
Totally agree, just fillers and junk...... Purina and Nutrena both are terrible! Plus the recommended amount to feed of those feeds is just plain nuts. When I see people only feeding 1lb of a feed that your suppose to be feeding 10-14lbs you might as well throw your money away. I will stick with my Progressive feed that actually stands behind their products with no national backing....
Which Progressive item do you feed? 
I feed http://www.prognutrition.com/pagrassformula.html costs about $35 a bag but lasts me 25 days on my stud and about 40 days on my mares.... we use to feed stategy years ago and had to feed 17lbs A DAY to keep weight on one of my show horses, it was nuts! Then all the corn and sugar in the inconsistent products in the omolene made my college rodeo mare a complete wack job! We also had issues with the horses eating it one week and get a new bag and wouldn't touch it, that tells me they change their feed! I have NEVER once had that issue with progressive feed! I now feed 2lbs of progressive to my stallion and 1.5lbs to my mares plus crimped oats. I have never been more happy, we switched over 7 years ago and never looked back. We attended a feed seminar oh about 3 years ago and I will never let my horses eat purina or nutrena again thats all I will say about that. This is a awesome fat supp too I have used....http://www.prognutrition.com/envisionclassic.html I recently switched to progressive mineral too and they LOVE it! I have a regular mineral and salt block they eat on a little, the redmonds my horses wont even look at it and now the have the progressive loose mineral and block out and they eat on it much more than the others! I have left them all out there to monitor and they have not touched the others since putting the progressive mineral out. Wonderful products, best on the market IMO http://www.prognutrition.com/grassmineral.html I just went on purina and found average feeding for a breeding stallion and a heavy worked horse: Strategy 8.25-16 pounds a day! Omolene 7.5-16 pounds a day so these feeds you are getting 4-6 days of feeding out of a bag, because if you don't feed the noted values you might as well not feed it at all... Progressive grass 3pound MAX for breeding stallion and heavy worked horses so 50# bag lasts 16 days Like I said everyone has their opinions but I feel progressive offers the best product on the market and my horses all love it :)
Thanks for posting the link so the Purina haters can see the same by products as the primary ingredients (GASP!!)  
 Hmm same products as Purina and between the progressive grass supplement and the oats it says to feed with it I will b feeding 12 to 17lbs of  feed a day.  same thing u just grumbled about Purina with the amounts of the feed you have to feed. On another note you can feed Ultium and Strategy Edge as a top dress meaning 1 pound a day on top of your sweet mix and get wonderful results in putting on weight and their coats are just amazing.  You do not have to feed the recommended amt to see results out of products you have to feed to your region and your horse needs. I have found that not one formula works for every horse.

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redracinmo - 2014-01-31 10:48 AM We have jumped around trying different feeds on differenet horses ye we always come back to Purina products.  I have spent a lot of time their facility in Missouri many times where they do the equine feed research and the mill.  I absolutely cannot believe the bashing that goes on here anymore on every topic.  I guess i dont love my animals because I feed them Purina products even though they look great and perform wonderfully.  Purina feeder, supporter and proud of it.  It works for our barn. For us to buy all the products in the raw and make our own feed we would be broke in 2 months.  Purina puts out a great product at a good value. if your horse didnt do well on it doesnt mean the product is inferior it means it just didnt work for your horse.  Just like in humans what some of us eat others cannot.  When you are looking at feed labels you have to keep in mind that what one company may put in their feed in one part of the country will differ in another part because they will make adjustments for soil content in the particular region as well as weather factors.  So when a label may not read the same from one state to another that is the reason as well as by season they will change due to weather factors especially in states with humidity.  Equine Senior, Junior, Strategy, Omolene feeds are supposed to be the same region to region for those traveling a lot with horses can be assured of the same mix no matter where they are traveling in the US.  

I talked to Charmayne about how she fed on the road a year or so ago. I had gone out for three weeks ran out of grain (yep, I'm bad at math) had issues with ulcers by the end of the trip. She always had enough of her grain so she didn't run into regional changes and upsetting the apple cart. 
 
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Posted 2014-01-31 12:16 PM
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redracinmo - 2014-01-31 11:37 AM
TurnLane - 2014-01-31 11:27 AM
lisamm - 2014-01-31 11:17 AM
TurnLane - 2014-01-31 8:16 AM
lisamm - 2014-01-31 7:35 AM
Hollywood's Fan - 2014-01-30 3:00 PM
Nevertooold - 2014-01-31 3:22 PM I would say that Purina finally stepped up to the plate...they haven't before. They have always listed ingredients on their bags but it was with grain by products etc instead of listing what actual grains were in their feed. I've been a hater and will continue to be. Purina sucks..LOL
 I don't like it either.  Wheat Middings and Soy Hulls.  I wonder, does the OP know what those are? 
Totally agree, just fillers and junk...... Purina and Nutrena both are terrible! Plus the recommended amount to feed of those feeds is just plain nuts. When I see people only feeding 1lb of a feed that your suppose to be feeding 10-14lbs you might as well throw your money away. I will stick with my Progressive feed that actually stands behind their products with no national backing....
Which Progressive item do you feed? 
I feed http://www.prognutrition.com/pagrassformula.html costs about $35 a bag but lasts me 25 days on my stud and about 40 days on my mares.... we use to feed stategy years ago and had to feed 17lbs A DAY to keep weight on one of my show horses, it was nuts! Then all the corn and sugar in the inconsistent products in the omolene made my college rodeo mare a complete wack job! We also had issues with the horses eating it one week and get a new bag and wouldn't touch it, that tells me they change their feed! I have NEVER once had that issue with progressive feed! I now feed 2lbs of progressive to my stallion and 1.5lbs to my mares plus crimped oats. I have never been more happy, we switched over 7 years ago and never looked back. We attended a feed seminar oh about 3 years ago and I will never let my horses eat purina or nutrena again thats all I will say about that. This is a awesome fat supp too I have used....http://www.prognutrition.com/envisionclassic.html I recently switched to progressive mineral too and they LOVE it! I have a regular mineral and salt block they eat on a little, the redmonds my horses wont even look at it and now the have the progressive loose mineral and block out and they eat on it much more than the others! I have left them all out there to monitor and they have not touched the others since putting the progressive mineral out. Wonderful products, best on the market IMO http://www.prognutrition.com/grassmineral.html I just went on purina and found average feeding for a breeding stallion and a heavy worked horse: Strategy 8.25-16 pounds a day! Omolene 7.5-16 pounds a day so these feeds you are getting 4-6 days of feeding out of a bag, because if you don't feed the noted values you might as well not feed it at all... Progressive grass 3pound MAX for breeding stallion and heavy worked horses so 50# bag lasts 16 days Like I said everyone has their opinions but I feel progressive offers the best product on the market and my horses all love it :)
Thanks for posting the link so the Purina haters can see the same by products as the primary ingredients (GASP!!)  
 Hmm same products as Purina and between the progressive grass supplement and the oats it says to feed with it I will b feeding 12 to 17lbs of  feed a day.  same thing u just grumbled about Purina with the amounts of the feed you have to feed. On another note you can feed Ultium and Strategy Edge as a top dress meaning 1 pound a day on top of your sweet mix and get wonderful results in putting on weight and their coats are just amazing.  You do not have to feed the recommended amt to see results out of products you have to feed to your region and your horse needs. I have found that not one formula works for every horse.

That is how we use Ultium on our racehorses, we feed a dry COB mix that also has alfalfa pellets from our local mill and top dress 2lbs a day of Ultium.  Very cost effective, our horses look great, and we have almost eliminated ulcer issues. 

Here are pics of a colt we just sold, he was given to us because he was a bit of a bronc to say the least.  He did great on this feed program, plenty of energy but not hot or stupid.




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redracinmo - 2014-01-31 10:48 AM We have jumped around trying different feeds on differenet horses ye we always come back to Purina products.  I have spent a lot of time their facility in Missouri many times where they do the equine feed research and the mill.  I absolutely cannot believe the bashing that goes on here anymore on every topic.  I guess i dont love my animals because I feed them Purina products even though they look great and perform wonderfully.  Purina feeder, supporter and proud of it.  It works for our barn. For us to buy all the products in the raw and make our own feed we would be broke in 2 months.  Purina puts out a great product at a good value. if your horse didnt do well on it doesnt mean the product is inferior it means it just didnt work for your horse.  Just like in humans what some of us eat others cannot.  When you are looking at feed labels you have to keep in mind that what one company may put in their feed in one part of the country will differ in another part because they will make adjustments for soil content in the particular region as well as weather factors.  So when a label may not read the same from one state to another that is the reason as well as by season they will change due to weather factors especially in states with humidity.  Equine Senior, Junior, Strategy, Omolene feeds are supposed to be the same region to region for those traveling a lot with horses can be assured of the same mix no matter where they are traveling in the US.  
I talked to Charmayne about how she fed on the road a year or so ago. I had gone out for three weeks ran out of grain (yep, I'm bad at math) had issues with ulcers by the end of the trip. She always had enough of her grain so she didn't run into regional changes and upsetting the apple cart. 

What does CJ feed now that Scampers choice is no longer made?  Or does she still have her own milled just for her own use?  
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barrelrider - 2014-01-31 11:09 AM Some friends of ours went and toured the Purina manufacturing plant. They were so meticulous on everything they did. It's really confusing to me that so many people dislike their feed due to the differences in their products, but at the plants, it's such a different story. We feed Purina products with really good results. Choosing a feed is getting to be very challenging.

Their feed is milled at different locations all over the country. Remember this Opps moment? Why would any feed company think that feeding animals back to animals was okay? It's called greed...plain and simple.
 

~~Purina Mills admits cow rule broken

 

January 27, 2001

 

By Steve Brisendine - Associated Press

 

The quarantine of 1,221 cattle and recall of 22 tons of feed out of fears about mad cow disease may have been caused by a mill that disclosed a possible rule violation. A Purina Mills Inc. plant may have mixed cow meat and bone meal into a feed supplement that was put on the wrong truck, said Beverly Boyd, spokeswoman for the Texas Department of Agriculture.

 

A Purina Mills spokesman said Friday the company had begun phasing out the use of meat and bone meal from cows in any of its livestock feed. Beef byproducts are banned for cattle or sheep feed but commonly used in swine and poultry feed. ``This (quarantine) just happened to be a matter of timing. But as of last night, we are no longer using it,'' said Max Fisher, a spokesman for St. Louis-based Purina Mills, the nation's largest maker of livestock feed. ``It's a voluntary move on our behalf and takes us down to a zero risk factor for a misformulation in the future.''

 

The questionable feed supplement was manufactured by a Purina Mills plant in Gonzales, Texas, on the evening of Jan. 16 and recalled on Jan. 17 after a standard check revealed the mistake, Fisher said. The company said it called the Food and Drug Administration after the error was discovered through internal controls.

 

Mad cow disease, or bovine spongiform encephalopathy, is believed to cause variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, the fatal human equivalent of mad cow disease. Some 80 Europeans have died of new variant CJD since the mid-1990s, and beef sales have plummeted on that continent.

 

The disease has never been found in U.S. cattle, and in its news release, Purina stressed that it only uses meat and bone meal from U.S.-grown animals and only in those products in which it is allowed.

 

 

Mad cow scare caused Purina quarantine, government says

 

January 26, 2001

 

By Steve Brisendine, - Associated Press

 

The quarantine of a Texas cattle herd that may have eaten feed banned in the U.S. to prevent mad cow disease shows how well government protections on the food supply work, an industry official said. But while industry and government officials stress that the risk is small, cattle ranchers fear the mix-up might be enough to taint public perception, just as beef was rebounding after a decade of flat sales.

 

"The key message consumers need to hear is that we have taken aggressive steps in the U.S. to keep problem from occurring, and that U.S. beef continues to be wholesome, nutritious food," said Todd Domer, a spokesman for the Kansas Livestock Association.

 

U.S. beef consumption rose 2 percent in 1999 to 66.2 pounds per person, the highest since the 1980s, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture. For much of the '90s, a nation long known for its love of burgers and steaks seemed to have had its fill of red meat amid concerns it might be linked to high cholesterol and heart disease.

 

Cattlemen say just mentioning the possibility of the brain-wasting disease infecting the nation's beef supply could cause consumers to think twice about buying beef and cause those numbers to retreat. "Unfortunately, perception amounts to a lot in a lot of things, and this is not any different than a lot of them," said rancher Adrian Casey, who shoveled manure from a stall late Thursday at a stock show in Fort Worth.

 

The questionable feed supplement was manufactured by a Purina Mills plant in Gonzales, Texas. The company said the error was discovered through its "quality assurance program" of internal controls, and it called the Food and Drug Administration. Sources who spoke on condition of anonymity identified the feedlot as Vaqueros of Texas Cattle Feeders in Floresville, 28 miles southeast of San Antonio. Purina notified nearby feedlot operators of the FDA investigation.

 

"It scared us half to death," said Caroline Morris, whose husband owns Morris Cattle Co. in Pearsall, Texas. "It would hurt our business if the housewives thought there was some of that (BSE) in the United States." Burt Rutherford, a spokesman for the Texas Cattle Feeders Association, praised the mill for quickly notifying the FDA and the feedlot. "They've pulled samples of feed and are running tests on it now," Rutherford said. "We should know the results early next week."

 

Mad cow disease, or bovine spongiform encephalopathy, is believed to cause variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, the fatal human equivalent of mad cow disease. Some 80 Europeans have died of new variant CJD since the mid-1990s, and beef sales have plummeted on that continent.

 

"For some reason, publicity surrounding this has kind of taken on a life of its own, even though the problem is across the big pond," Domer said. The disease has never been found in U.S. cattle, and in its release Purina stressed that it only uses meat and bone meal from U.S.-grown animals and only in those products where it is allowed. As a precaution, the government has banned cows and sheep from being given feed made from animal parts, no matter what their country of origin.

 

A recent FDA report found hundreds of feed makers were violating labeling requirements and other rules associated with the ban. The National Cattlemen's Beef Association has organized a private meeting Monday involving representatives of the industry and officials from the FDA and the Agriculture Department to press for better compliance.

 

"We certainly want feed companies to be in compliance," Domer said. "We even have members talking to their feed companies making sure they're in compliance. They're that serious about the situation."

 


 
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hlynn - 2014-01-30 4:50 PM Purina is the low man on the totem pole. They have a decent tag. But there's no guarantee that they use the same amounts of each ingredient every time. And yes, with a non-fixed formula feed you could have two very different versions of your feed within a few bags. Processes feed isn't perfect. But companies like Triple Crown, Buckeye, Seminole, Blue Bonnet, ADM, and a few others are miles ahead of Purina/Nutrena. They have better ingredients. Better formulas. And better nutrition. If I could afford to feed raw materials to my herd, I would. But to get the nutrition from raw feeds that I get from TC Senior, I would have to spend quite a bit. Rice bran. Flax. Pre/probiotic. Alfalfa meal. Beet pulp. Soybean meal. Etc. So I choose to feed the best processed feed I can find.
I just fed my last bag of Triple Crown as getting Nutrena to mix their feed was a kiss of death. My very consistent Triple Crown Senior became the most inconstent crap. Pretty bad when my husband, who barely ever feeds, ask me when I changed my feed..






Ding!  This is what sent me on the hunt for a new feed program last spring.  My TC feeds looked different every week.  Some had lots of corn, some less, some the pellets were dark and soft, some were lighter and hard as little bricks.  Bags were inconsistently dry or sticky too. 

After hours and hours of research, calls, reading, and even touching and sniffing, I decided to try the forage only diet that I'm still on and loving.   
How hard are you riding yours? I really wanted to do this and was told by a nutritionist that it wouldn't be possible with the calories that I burned on my horses. I have 3 performance horses 5 yrs to 2 yrs and 3 mares about to pop. Keeping everything "balanced" was the big issue!




I transitioned my feed program during April/May 2013 and all but the lactating mares were off bagged product by July 1 when I left for Kansas again.  During my absence my friend was riding for me.  One of my horses, Xena, the higher strung of my two competition horses, started dropping a bit of weight.  I increased her to 2 of the big flakes of alfalfa ( each flake runs 6-8 lbs) per day instead of the 1 that everyone else was on.  By the time I got home she was all fat again.  I started riding almost every day starting mid-August and through mid-October.  I put those three horses back on about 1 lb of feed so I could add rice bran and soy oil.  I also decreased Xena back to the 1 flake of alfalfa.  When I quit riding so much I took the fats out and now they only get something in a bucket for special reasons, i.e., I started adding salt/mineral when this arctic blast started. They are still all level to crater backed with no ribs and fantastic coats, hooves (my farrier has been so pleased at the quality and growth!), and attitudes.  Since only about 30% or so of their diet is that high powered alfalfa they have shown no signs of 'hotness' from it. 

No horse burns more calories than Xena.  She gets all hyped up any time her feet are moving faster than a walk.  I always keep an eye on everyone to make sure weight is good and adjust as necessary.  I keep a bag of TC Complete around for the in-case need, plus if I need to feed minerals or fats.  No program is absolutely perfect, but I know I don't have to worry about 'processing' issues with the forage diet. 

Keep in mind that the alfalfa I'm feeding costs almost as much per pound as top quality bagged feed.  120# bales are $39.00. 
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Doesn't matter what grain you feed if the quality of your hay sucks. I know a lot of people that feed a good quality of Alfafla and Coastal along with minerals and their horses look amazing.
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Nevertooold - 2014-01-31 1:40 PM Doesn't matter what grain you feed if the quality of your hay sucks. I know a lot of people that feed a good quality of Alfafla and Coastal along with minerals and their horses look amazing.

I agree 250%!!!  
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While I haven't followed this thread I will try and shine some light on to what the OP was wondering about Soy Bean Hulls. I worked for 2 animal nutirition companies in Canada and the last company I worked for actually based their feed's on Soybean Hulls. Soybean Hulls are not a filler, they are actually the outer part of the seed that are milled off. They are low in NSC as the seed and the hull are actually seperated from one another. They are a very stable fibre source for horses. There are two products here in Alberta that main ingredient is Soybean Hulls, Hoffman's Horse Ration and Anchor R's custom feed. The nutritionist who formulated both products was, or still is conducting research on Soy Bean Hulls being a suitable base for a ration for horses recovering from colic surgery, that's how stable the ingredient is.

To try and help disban some of the concerns regarding extra ingrediants in feed, ie corn in bags that shouldn't have corn in it, a feed mill is a very complex unit with multiple augers, bins, mixers, bagging chutes etc. While companies flush these between products, ie a dry run of oats, wheat, corn etc, not every nook and crany can be cleaned, that's why the odd time you will see corn or other basic grains mixed in, these flush products might get knocked out of somewhere with the right jolt of the mixer. What the consumer does need to confident in is that the right steps are taken to ensure the safety of their animals. For example, in Canada there is a product called Rumension that is added to Beef calf feed, that will kill a horse if it consumed. Where a feed mill goes and takes the necessary percautions is that the mill is flushed after that product is made, and then a feed for other ruminants is made follow ( IE Dairy feed following), there is a mininmun of 3 feeds and 3 flushed to be made after the Medicated feed prior to horse feed being made to reduce the risk of horse feed coming in contamination of that medication.

While I am not 100% sure of the practises in the US, in Canada, the ingredients are not listed on the bag, just the guaranteed analysis. Feed ingredient listing can be requested by the consumer but they are not provided on the bag.

I am totally open to answering as manye questions that I can, however it has been 3 years since of left that field.

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Nevertooold - 2014-01-31 12:40 PM Doesn't matter what grain you feed if the quality of your hay sucks. I know a lot of people that feed a good quality of Alfafla and Coastal along with minerals and their horses look amazing.

This is true.  
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I agree that the quality and quantity of the hay you feed is important.  We have wintered the adult herd on fertilized endophyte free fescue and brome.  They are fat even with our cold winter.  We don't feed alfalfa and won't.  We spent more than $1,300 last month saving a young prospect who was at our trainers from alfalfa beetle poisening.  She made it but (at least in our country) it is very dangerous to feed alfalfa.  We feed the young horses Strategy and feel like we get good growth without worrying about too much growth.

We have mixed our own feed over the years and had feed mixed at an elevator.  That is very labor intensive and not something we choose to do anymore. 
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Nevertooold - 2014-01-31 3:22 PM I would say that Purina finally stepped up to the plate...they haven't before. They have always listed ingredients on their bags but it was with grain by products etc instead of listing what actual grains were in their feed. I've been a hater and will continue to be. Purina sucks..LOL
 I don't like it either.  Wheat Middings and Soy Hulls.  I wonder, does the OP know what those are? 
Totally agree, just fillers and junk...... Purina and Nutrena both are terrible! Plus the recommended amount to feed of those feeds is just plain nuts. When I see people only feeding 1lb of a feed that your suppose to be feeding 10-14lbs you might as well throw your money away. I will stick with my Progressive feed that actually stands behind their products with no national backing....
Which Progressive item do you feed? 
I feed http://www.prognutrition.com/pagrassformula.html costs about $35 a bag but lasts me 25 days on my stud and about 40 days on my mares.... we use to feed stategy years ago and had to feed 17lbs A DAY to keep weight on one of my show horses, it was nuts! Then all the corn and sugar in the inconsistent products in the omolene made my college rodeo mare a complete wack job! We also had issues with the horses eating it one week and get a new bag and wouldn't touch it, that tells me they change their feed! I have NEVER once had that issue with progressive feed! I now feed 2lbs of progressive to my stallion and 1.5lbs to my mares plus crimped oats. I have never been more happy, we switched over 7 years ago and never looked back. We attended a feed seminar oh about 3 years ago and I will never let my horses eat purina or nutrena again thats all I will say about that. This is a awesome fat supp too I have used....http://www.prognutrition.com/envisionclassic.html I recently switched to progressive mineral too and they LOVE it! I have a regular mineral and salt block they eat on a little, the redmonds my horses wont even look at it and now the have the progressive loose mineral and block out and they eat on it much more than the others! I have left them all out there to monitor and they have not touched the others since putting the progressive mineral out. Wonderful products, best on the market IMO http://www.prognutrition.com/grassmineral.html I just went on purina and found average feeding for a breeding stallion and a heavy worked horse: Strategy 8.25-16 pounds a day! Omolene 7.5-16 pounds a day so these feeds you are getting 4-6 days of feeding out of a bag, because if you don't feed the noted values you might as well not feed it at all... Progressive grass 3pound MAX for breeding stallion and heavy worked horses so 50# bag lasts 16 days Like I said everyone has their opinions but I feel progressive offers the best product on the market and my horses all love it :)
Thanks for posting the link so the Purina haters can see the same by products as the primary ingredients (GASP!!)  
 Hmm same products as Purina and between the progressive grass supplement and the oats it says to feed with it I will b feeding 12 to 17lbs of  feed a day.  same thing u just grumbled about Purina with the amounts of the feed you have to feed. On another note you can feed Ultium and Strategy Edge as a top dress meaning 1 pound a day on top of your sweet mix and get wonderful results in putting on weight and their coats are just amazing.  You do not have to feed the recommended amt to see results out of products you have to feed to your region and your horse needs. I have found that not one formula works for every horse.
That is how we use Ultium on our racehorses, we feed a dry COB mix that also has alfalfa pellets from our local mill and top dress 2lbs a day of Ultium.  Very cost effective, our horses look great, and we have almost eliminated ulcer issues. 



Here are pics of a colt we just sold, he was given to us because he was a bit of a bronc to say the least.  He did great on this feed program, plenty of energy but not hot or stupid.

I really like that gelding! 
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Posted 2014-01-31 3:48 PM
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can_chaiser - 2014-01-31 2:40 PM While I haven't followed this thread I will try and shine some light on to what the OP was wondering about Soy Bean Hulls. I worked for 2 animal nutirition companies in Canada and the last company I worked for actually based their feed's on Soybean Hulls. Soybean Hulls are not a filler, they are actually the outer part of the seed that are milled off. They are low in NSC as the seed and the hull are actually seperated from one another. They are a very stable fibre source for horses. There are two products here in Alberta that main ingredient is Soybean Hulls, Hoffman's Horse Ration and Anchor R's custom feed. The nutritionist who formulated both products was, or still is conducting research on Soy Bean Hulls being a suitable base for a ration for horses recovering from colic surgery, that's how stable the ingredient is. To try and help disban some of the concerns regarding extra ingrediants in feed, ie corn in bags that shouldn't have corn in it, a feed mill is a very complex unit with multiple augers, bins, mixers, bagging chutes etc. While companies flush these between products, ie a dry run of oats, wheat, corn etc, not every nook and crany can be cleaned, that's why the odd time you will see corn or other basic grains mixed in, these flush products might get knocked out of somewhere with the right jolt of the mixer. What the consumer does need to confident in is that the right steps are taken to ensure the safety of their animals. For example, in Canada there is a product called Rumension that is added to Beef calf feed, that will kill a horse if it consumed. Where a feed mill goes and takes the necessary percautions is that the mill is flushed after that product is made, and then a feed for other ruminants is made follow ( IE Dairy feed following), there is a mininmun of 3 feeds and 3 flushed to be made after the Medicated feed prior to horse feed being made to reduce the risk of horse feed coming in contamination of that medication. While I am not 100% sure of the practises in the US, in Canada, the ingredients are not listed on the bag, just the guaranteed analysis. Feed ingredient listing can be requested by the consumer but they are not provided on the bag. I am totally open to answering as manye questions that I can, however it has been 3 years since of left that field. Brandi

You did a great job at describing the way things work. 
The mill I work for has dedicated bins and chutes for cattle feed vs all natural feed/horse feeds. Same with the trucks we use to deliver bulk.  
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