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Location: Depends where the next barrel race is..... | One of the first rules in PRCA rulebook is that they don't discriminate against gender. If barrel racing was a strength event, anyone with a bigger bit would win. | |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Oregonracer2 - 2014-03-04 3:45 PM One of the first rules in PRCA rulebook is that they don't discriminate against gender. If barrel racing was a strength event, anyone with a bigger bit would win.
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Location: Louisiana | luvropin - 2014-03-04 10:16 AM I would like to see all events open to both genders if they are going to allow it in one. Why not do it for all. If a girl can beat the boys then let her in. If the boys club doesn't want that to happen then the barrel racing needs to be women only in my opinion. Our local rodeo association are allowing boys in the breakaway, fine but let the girls in the team roping its only fair.
The rodeo association I'll be running this year does allow women in team roping. It also allows boys under 15 and men over 50 to compete in breakaway. Basically, if you may be kinda small or kinda cripple to run down a rope and throw a calf, you can rope with the girls. They are the only association around here with those rules in breakaway, however any (ammy)rodeo I've been to allows women to team rope. I have been to one or two open rodeos that allowed men to run barrels, but none of the associations do. But I also haven't seen a PUSH for it. If there was a reason I didn't want them to run, it would be because they can beat me LOL. I don't care who runs barrels. I try to make my best run possible every time, no matter whose name is on the running order. I was cheering on every guy at the semifinals (mainly Talmadge) just to show the world they can beat the best of the best. And Clint made it through and proved that. No, he didn't win, but he showed he is a real threat against any pro girl/horse.
IMO, for men to run barrels at a PRO level, the PRCA would need to add the event. WPRA is for women, it isn't just barrels, they tie-down rope, ride broncs, etc. A woman just can't throw a steer like a big dude, sorry femenists. So they wouldn't have a shot if you threw it all together, men and women have to be separate in those events. Barrels is different, though. You could either have WPRA AND PRCA barrels (one for women and one for men), then combine it for the NFR somehow through a semifinal, or top 10 from each, etc. Or the barrel racing event could separate from the WPRA as a separate event and allow both to enter.
I feel the WPRA should reach out to potential men barrel racers and see what they think. Would you want to run in the Women'sPRA? Does that matter?
None of this really has anything to do with The American though since they used BBR rules, so as long as RFD-TV sticks with BBR we'll see more men next year I'm sure. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Even I wouldn't enter if that meant I had to join the WPRA. I draw the line at that. Pink shirts......no problem. Bling tack....love it. Joining the WPRA?
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Location: Louisiana | HotbearLVR - 2014-03-04 6:35 PM Even I wouldn't enter if that meant I had to join the WPRA. I draw the line at that. Pink shirts......no problem. Bling tack....love it. Joining the WPRA? Priceless, perhaps, but not for me! LOL
Thanks, that was the point I was trying to make. I wasn't sure if it came across right. Right now to be a PRO barrel racer, you'd have to join the WPRA, and I think even if they said, "OK, come on boys!" many men would not join. So a major change would have to occur, and we all know how much everybody likes change... | |
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Barrel racing is a sport that was created BY women FOR women at a time when equality did not exist. It gave woman a chance to go to the rodeo's and compete in a venue dominated by men that, at that time, thought women should be barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen.
It was women that fought for it to get to the point it is now. It was women that got equal pay when it was a sport that wasn't given hardly any payback but the men were able to make a living at it.
Progress is good and the 4D format really opened up barrel racing for all ages, sexes. types of horses, etc. so it isn't like men are shut out of the sport entirely.
But even in today's world of "equality", women are still mocked and looked down on. In a lot of places, a woman can do the same job as a man and the woman still gets paid less. Things are still NOT equal by any stretch of the imagination. So I am going to be selfish and say that as long as we are still NOT equal in other aspects of life, then why should the men be able to ride of the shirt tails of the hard work WOMEN put in when they came up with the barrel racing concept as it pertains to Pro sanctioned rodeo's?
Flame suit zipped and on. Sorry if this comment offends some. But at least we still have Freedom Of Speech and this is what I truly believe.
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Location: Mi | SKM - 2014-03-05 7:36 AM I think Pro Sanctioned rodeo's should stay the same. Sorry boys.
Barrel racing is a sport that was created BY women FOR women at a time when equality did not exist. It gave woman a chance to go to the rodeo's and compete in a venue dominated by men that, at that time, thought women should be barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen.
It was women that fought for it to get to the point it is now. It was women that got equal pay when it was a sport that wasn't given hardly any payback but the men were able to make a living at it.
Progress is good and the 4D format really opened up barrel racing for all ages, sexes. types of horses, etc. so it isn't like men are shut out of the sport entirely.
But even in today's world of "equality", women are still mocked and looked down on. In a lot of places, a woman can do the same job as a man and the woman still gets paid less. Things are still NOT equal by any stretch of the imagination. So I am going to be selfish and say that as long as we are still NOT equal in other aspects of life, then why should the men be able to ride of the shirt tails of the hard work WOMEN put in when they came up with the barrel racing concept as it pertains to Pro sanctioned rodeo's?
Flame suit zipped and on. Sorry if this comment offends some. But at least we still have Freedom Of Speech and this is what I truly believe.
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| smiley - 2014-03-04 11:05 AM RNugent - 2014-03-04 7:28 AM I just wanted to be clear that the PRCA is open for ANYONE OF ANY GENDER to enter ANY event. The WPRA is an invited guest at the rodeos. As for the WPRA they are able to exist as is because they are a Women's Only association. No different than Indian Rodeo Association or High School Rodeo. There are certain rules you have to be within in order to compete in each of those association.
I put this response in the wrong post, they are not "invited" they saction with the rodeo committees just like the PRCA does. To imply that they are simply there by inviation is a downgrade to the work they put into their association, IMO.
Sorry! Yes, I should have worded that different. Just meant to put the point across that they are not within the PRCA they are co-sanctioned and the PRCA allows any gender to buy a card but the WPRA is women only. | |
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | SKM - 2014-03-05 6:36 AM
I think Pro Sanctioned rodeo's should stay the same. Sorry boys.
Barrel racing is a sport that was created BY women FOR women at a time when equality did not exist. It gave woman a chance to go to the rodeo's and compete in a venue dominated by men that, at that time, thought women should be barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen.
It was women that fought for it to get to the point it is now. It was women that got equal pay when it was a sport that wasn't given hardly any payback but the men were able to make a living at it.
Progress is good and the 4D format really opened up barrel racing for all ages, sexes. types of horses, etc. so it isn't like men are shut out of the sport entirely.
But even in today's world of "equality", women are still mocked and looked down on. In a lot of places, a woman can do the same job as a man and the woman still gets paid less. Things are still NOT equal by any stretch of the imagination. So I am going to be selfish and say that as long as we are still NOT equal in other aspects of life, then why should the men be able to ride of the shirt tails of the hard work WOMEN put in when they came up with the barrel racing concept as it pertains to Pro sanctioned rodeo's?
Flame suit zipped and on. Sorry if this comment offends some. But at least we still have Freedom Of Speech and this is what I truly believe.
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I hope nobody flames you for that. It was a good response. | |
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Pretty sure I couldn't have said it any better then that.... | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I am impressed that on a site comprised of about 99% women, only about 60% of those polled feel Pro Rodeo should stay the same and not be opened up for men in barrel racing. I expected it to be closer to 90%.
On the other hand, maybe it's a good thing that barrel racing be reserved exclusively for women....under the guise of "tradition", or whatever. Maybe the fear is if more men participated, they would dominate barrel racing, just like they dominate almost everything else. Maybe men are just more athletic and maybe their strength puts them at an advantage over women. Maybe the fear is that opening it up to men and women equally would be unfair because it would stimulate more men's interest in barrel racing, which would eventually squeeze too many women out of the upper echelons. Right now, probably 90% of barrel racers across the spectrum are women. How would the sport change with an increase in male participation? Would it be better or worse? What if it was closer to 60:40 or 50:50?
I'm all for equality of opportunity, but should equality of opportunity be just a selective thing? | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | HotbearLVR - 2014-03-05 8:53 AM I am impressed that on a site comprised of about 99% women, only about 60% of those polled feel Pro Rodeo should stay the same and not be opened up for men in barrel racing. I expected it to be closer to 90%.
On the other hand, maybe it's a good thing that barrel racing be reserved exclusively for women....under the guise of "tradition", or whatever. Maybe the fear is if more men participated, they would dominate barrel racing, just like they dominate almost everything else. Maybe men are just more athletic and maybe their strength puts them at an advantage over women. Maybe the fear is that opening it up to men and women equally would be unfair because it would stimulate more men's interest in barrel racing, which would eventually squeeze too many women out of the upper echelons. Right now, probably 90% of barrel racers across the spectrum are women. How would the sport change with an increase in male participation? Would it be better or worse? What if it was closer to 60:40 or 50:50?
I'm all for equality of opportunity, but should equality of opportunity be just a selective thing?
I think you are waaaaaay off base on your assumptions. In the long run, rodeo does not pay that well when you consider the amount of hauling, etc. I don't think many more men would participate....why would they? They can make more money (in comparison of time and expense) running a few times at big futurities and added money barrel races per year. And that "incentive" hasn't drawn a "majority" of contestants being men so why would being able to compete at rodeos? NOW, if each of those rodeos paid a million $$$ every time out....yep, the men would come out of the woodwork! | |
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-03-05 9:53 AM I am impressed that on a site comprised of about 99% women, only about 60% of those polled feel Pro Rodeo should stay the same and not be opened up for men in barrel racing. I expected it to be closer to 90%.
On the other hand, maybe it's a good thing that barrel racing be reserved exclusively for women....under the guise of "tradition", or whatever. Maybe the fear is if more men participated, they would dominate barrel racing, just like they dominate almost everything else. Maybe men are just more athletic and maybe their strength puts them at an advantage over women. Maybe the fear is that opening it up to men and women equally would be unfair because it would stimulate more men's interest in barrel racing, which would eventually squeeze too many women out of the upper echelons. Right now, probably 90% of barrel racers across the spectrum are women. How would the sport change with an increase in male participation? Would it be better or worse? What if it was closer to 60:40 or 50:50?
I'm all for equality of opportunity, but should equality of opportunity be just a selective thing?
Hmmm...LOL
I think it's hypocritical to exclude men from professional barrel racing at this point. If we, as women, shut the door on this, aren't we essentially becoming what we hate? The PRCA opened the door for women not so long ago. I am not saying that the WPRA should bend over and take men amoung its ranks....by all means...it's a free country. I don't think many men would want to be in a professional women's organization anyway. LOL. But, I DO believe that men should have the chance to run barrels at the NFR.
Yes, the other events at the NFR were made for men, by men, but the door is open for women to compete if they choose. Isn't that nice? Barrel racing was made for women, by women, but NO. No OUR precious barrel racing! Oh noezzz!
The WPRA has its own finals plus the NFR. Perhaps the PRCA and WPRA could still work together, but in a way that promotes both sexes (one event/class that caters to both PRCA and WPRA). Like a co-sanctioned barrel race. Pretty sure they kind of do that...it might work? That way, the WPRA can uphold their traditions while also allowing men to run professionally. Yes? No?
Yes, sexism still exists but I don't see how being hypocritical is going to help things. Keep driving the wedge if you must...but men have been dealing with girl power for centuries now. LOL! I don't see how closing the door and throwing the perverbial sucker in the dirt is going to make any difference. Shouldn't we lead by example instead?
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Norma, I don't think many women make very much money in pro rodeo. Not when you consider all the costs. We all know what those costs entail, so when you lay out the balance sheet, the net earnings of the overwhelming majority below the top 10 in the world is pretty paltry. In fact, my guess is most so-called pros actually lose money. I'd love to see that change, and I think perhaps the American is a good start to improving that. Then again, I think if someone played it smart, I suppose it is possible to earn a nice chunk of money barrel racing at rodeos. If they selectively haul and stay close to home, etc....
If I had a daughter (or son) who wanted to fill his permit and compete in any rodeo event, I would insist they have a day job and tell them to be realistic. They'd better have a "fallback" position, because the odds are they won't be able to do it for long, and most likely they won't make money......so, in effect, it's just a hobby. | |
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | HotbearLVR - 2014-03-05 8:53 AM
I am impressed that on a site comprised of about 99% women, only about 60% of those polled feel Pro Rodeo should stay the same and not be opened up for men in barrel racing. I expected it to be closer to 90%. Â
On the other hand, maybe it's a good thing that barrel racing be reserved exclusively for women....under the guise of "tradition", or whatever. Â Maybe the fear is if more men participated, they would dominate barrel racing, just like they dominate almost everything else. Â Maybe men are just more athletic and maybe their strength puts them at an advantage over women. Â Maybe the fear is that opening it up to men and women equally would be unfair because it would stimulate more men's interest in barrel racing, which would eventually squeeze too many women out of the upper echelons. Â Right now, probably 90% of barrel racers across the spectrum are women. Â How would the sport change with an increase in male participation? Â Would it be better or worse? Â What if it was closer to 60:40 or 50:50? Â
I'm all for equality of opportunity, but should equality of opportunity be just a selective thing? Â
Personally, I believe that opening it up would better the sport eventually. Looks like I'm in the minority on that, but that's ok, too. I don't think any serious competitor is afraid of the competition or afraid of being squeezed out by anyone.
I also think there is a lot of wisdom in SKM's response. It's just not going to be completely fair or equal. Equality of opportunity is going to be a selective thing, like it or not. Even with equality, there won't always be fairness.
I do think the American is the evolution of rodeo. I loved the format. I think eventually, NFR (PRCA & WPRA) will need to evolve to survive. | |
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Location: Wide open spaces, Canada. | My first instinct was yes allow men to compete . Then I started thinking abut it more and I pictured going to the NFR with 10 out of 15 men .....,. It is just weird I like watching the glamour and glitz of women in the rodeo scene . I like the tradition behind it and think it should stay the same . | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | porky - 2014-03-05 9:42 AM My first instinct was yes allow men to compete . Then I started thinking abut it more and I pictured going to the NFR with 10 out of 15 men .....,. It is just weird I like watching the glamour and glitz of women in the rodeo scene . I like the tradition behind it and think it should stay the same .
You are very right. I love it too. Women just look pretty on the back of a horse. They can be 30-40 lbs overweight, and they still look beautiful.
Heck, who knows? Maybe the American will provide a sensible compromise. I hope the NFR and the American compliment one another. | |
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Location: The edge of no where | Just Plain Lucky - 2014-03-05 9:27 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-03-05 9:53 AM I am impressed that on a site comprised of about 99% women, only about 60% of those polled feel Pro Rodeo should stay the same and not be opened up for men in barrel racing. I expected it to be closer to 90%.
On the other hand, maybe it's a good thing that barrel racing be reserved exclusively for women....under the guise of "tradition", or whatever. Maybe the fear is if more men participated, they would dominate barrel racing, just like they dominate almost everything else. Maybe men are just more athletic and maybe their strength puts them at an advantage over women. Maybe the fear is that opening it up to men and women equally would be unfair because it would stimulate more men's interest in barrel racing, which would eventually squeeze too many women out of the upper echelons. Right now, probably 90% of barrel racers across the spectrum are women. How would the sport change with an increase in male participation? Would it be better or worse? What if it was closer to 60:40 or 50:50?
I'm all for equality of opportunity, but should equality of opportunity be just a selective thing? Hmmm...LOL
I think it's hypocritical to exclude men from professional barrel racing at this point. If we, as women, shut the door on this, aren't we essentially becoming what we hate? The PRCA opened the door for women not so long ago. I am not saying that the WPRA should bend over and take men amoung its ranks....by all means...it's a free country. I don't think many men would want to be in a professional women's organization anyway. LOL. But, I DO believe that men should have the chance to run barrels at the NFR.
Yes, the other events at the NFR were made for men, by men, but the door is open for women to compete if they choose. Isn't that nice? Barrel racing was made for women, by women, but NO. No OUR precious barrel racing! Oh noezzz!
The WPRA has its own finals plus the NFR. Perhaps the PRCA and WPRA could still work together, but in a way that promotes both sexes (one event/class that caters to both PRCA and WPRA). Like a co-sanctioned barrel race. Pretty sure they kind of do that...it might work? That way, the WPRA can uphold their traditions while also allowing men to run professionally. Yes? No?
Yes, sexism still exists but I don't see how being hypocritical is going to help things. Keep driving the wedge if you must...but men have been dealing with girl power for centuries now. LOL! I don't see how closing the door and throwing the perverbial sucker in the dirt is going to make any difference. Shouldn't we lead by example instead?
^^Very well summed up what I think of it.
I feel like a hypocrite advocating for equal rights for women in everything....but then refusing the same to men. I don't feel like there is any place in today's society for organizations that are based on gender or color. I think the time for the NAACP is over...
We would be kicking and screaming if we weren't allowed to compete at anything we wanted. Look at the traditional all mens schools that now accept women, and the women that fought to get in are hailed as heroes for women's rights....
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Location: Beggs, OK | HotbearLVR - 2014-03-05 8:53 AM I am impressed that on a site comprised of about 99% women, only about 60% of those polled feel Pro Rodeo should stay the same and not be opened up for men in barrel racing. I expected it to be closer to 90%.
On the other hand, maybe it's a good thing that barrel racing be reserved exclusively for women....under the guise of "tradition", or whatever. Maybe the fear is if more men participated, they would dominate barrel racing, just like they dominate almost everything else. Maybe men are just more athletic and maybe their strength puts them at an advantage over women. Maybe the fear is that opening it up to men and women equally would be unfair because it would stimulate more men's interest in barrel racing, which would eventually squeeze too many women out of the upper echelons. Right now, probably 90% of barrel racers across the spectrum are women. How would the sport change with an increase in male participation? Would it be better or worse? What if it was closer to 60:40 or 50:50?
I'm all for equality of opportunity, but should equality of opportunity be just a selective thing?
How many of the people voting are directly affected? You have to look at the number of people on this site that don't even compete, much less rodeo. No judgement from me about who's posting....just pointing out that you don't have to read very many threads to figure out that this place is long on opinion and short on actual experience. | |
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Location: Midwest | rachellyn80 - 2014-03-05 12:01 PM
HotbearLVR - 2014-03-05 8:53 AM I am impressed that on a site comprised of about 99% women, only about 60% of those polled feel Pro Rodeo should stay the same and not be opened up for men in barrel racing. I expected it to be closer to 90%. Â
On the other hand, maybe it's a good thing that barrel racing be reserved exclusively for women....under the guise of "tradition", or whatever. Â Maybe the fear is if more men participated, they would dominate barrel racing, just like they dominate almost everything else. Â Maybe men are just more athletic and maybe their strength puts them at an advantage over women. Â Maybe the fear is that opening it up to men and women equally would be unfair because it would stimulate more men's interest in barrel racing, which would eventually squeeze too many women out of the upper echelons. Â Right now, probably 90% of barrel racers across the spectrum are women. Â How would the sport change with an increase in male participation? Â Would it be better or worse? Â What if it was closer to 60:40 or 50:50? Â
I'm all for equality of opportunity, but should equality of opportunity be just a selective thing? Â
How many of the people voting are directly affected? Â You have to look at the number of people on this site that don't even compete, much less rodeo. Â No judgement from me about who's posting....just pointing out that you don't have to read very many threads to figure out that this place is long on opinion and short on actual experience.
I think that actually might be a GOOD thing in terms of representing what the fans would want to see.....
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