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Location: wherever my daughter's running | Itsme - 2014-08-19 10:44 PM cruise - 2014-08-19 9:04 PM and a young girl said they have all this money for tanks and none to help me with my tuition.... Really. Also, Hands Up Don't Shoot is a coalition formed in Ferguson. They are not satisfied with Holder coming. They want Obama to come there because he went to Sandy Hook. Really!!!!! Doing a special on CNN now about racism. Well law enforcement shouldnt have military type vehicles or be doing no knock raids for pot and dressing in camo pointing guns at innocent people. These LEOs are pretty much a bunch of ill trained rednecks. IMO
Well then .... How about they call all LEO's in this morning and have them turn in all their gear. Then on their way out the door they get one sheet of notebook paper,because a pack would be excessive force, and one straw. They can protect themselves with spit balls and when one is killed and if he is white it will be called justice. If he is black killed by a black we will never hear about it. Apparently they have had some training. It takes training to be able to not react when someone is in your face yelling at you. I was alive in the 60's and 70's and officers were armed with riot gear them and the National Guard had tanks to use if necessary. This is nothing new. | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | SKM - 2014-08-20 5:51 AM I saw where the cop had a fractured eye socket from the struggle. Last night on the news, a white journalist asked a black male protester if he thought Brown was 100% innocent still given the new facts. The protesters responce? "My people are always innocent no matter what they do". They don't care about the truth. Their minds are already made up.
That right there. It's the mentality of "it doesn't matter what he did, because the white man had it coming for enslaving my people and holding us down." I feel like we have time traveled backwards 50 years around here, just in the last 6. | |
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| cruise - 2014-08-20 6:05 AM
Itsme - 2014-08-19 10:44 PM cruise - 2014-08-19 9:04 PM and a young girl said they have all this money for tanks and none to help me with my tuition.... Really. Also, Hands Up Don't Shoot is a coalition formed in Ferguson. They are not satisfied with Holder coming. They want Obama to come there because he went to Sandy Hook. Really!!!!! Doing a special on CNN now about racism. Well law enforcement shouldnt have military type vehicles or be doing no knock raids for pot and dressing in camo pointing guns at innocent people. These LEOs are pretty much a bunch of ill trained rednecks. IMO
How about they allow the property owners protect their own land without threat/fear of imprisonment?
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Itsme - 2014-08-20 8:27 AM cruise - 2014-08-20 6:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-19 10:44 PM cruise - 2014-08-19 9:04 PM and a young girl said they have all this money for tanks and none to help me with my tuition.... Really. Also, Hands Up Don't Shoot is a coalition formed in Ferguson. They are not satisfied with Holder coming. They want Obama to come there because he went to Sandy Hook. Really!!!!! Doing a special on CNN now about racism. Well law enforcement shouldnt have military type vehicles or be doing no knock raids for pot and dressing in camo pointing guns at innocent people. These LEOs are pretty much a bunch of ill trained rednecks. IMO How about they allow the property owners protect their own land without threat/fear of imprisonment?
Because the SAME thing (riots) would start if it "happened" to be a white shop keeper that killed a black robber......Then you would just have more MOB RULE...... | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Itsme - 2014-08-20 8:27 AM cruise - 2014-08-20 6:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-19 10:44 PM cruise - 2014-08-19 9:04 PM and a young girl said they have all this money for tanks and none to help me with my tuition.... Really. Also, Hands Up Don't Shoot is a coalition formed in Ferguson. They are not satisfied with Holder coming. They want Obama to come there because he went to Sandy Hook. Really!!!!! Doing a special on CNN now about racism. Well law enforcement shouldnt have military type vehicles or be doing no knock raids for pot and dressing in camo pointing guns at innocent people. These LEOs are pretty much a bunch of ill trained rednecks. IMO How about they allow the property owners protect their own land without threat/fear of imprisonment?
Because they want to pretend that we live in a more civilized time when such things are not necessary. | |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Itsme - 2014-08-20 9:27 AM cruise - 2014-08-20 6:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-19 10:44 PM cruise - 2014-08-19 9:04 PM and a young girl said they have all this money for tanks and none to help me with my tuition.... Really. Also, Hands Up Don't Shoot is a coalition formed in Ferguson. They are not satisfied with Holder coming. They want Obama to come there because he went to Sandy Hook. Really!!!!! Doing a special on CNN now about racism. Well law enforcement shouldnt have military type vehicles or be doing no knock raids for pot and dressing in camo pointing guns at innocent people. These LEOs are pretty much a bunch of ill trained rednecks. IMO How about they allow the property owners protect their own land without threat/fear of imprisonment?
If the shop owners were white and shot a looting black person, this problem would get even bigger. | |
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| 3canstorun - 2014-08-20 8:48 AM
Itsme - 2014-08-20 9:27 AM cruise - 2014-08-20 6:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-19 10:44 PM cruise - 2014-08-19 9:04 PM and a young girl said they have all this money for tanks and none to help me with my tuition.... Really. Also, Hands Up Don't Shoot is a coalition formed in Ferguson. They are not satisfied with Holder coming. They want Obama to come there because he went to Sandy Hook. Really!!!!! Doing a special on CNN now about racism. Well law enforcement shouldnt have military type vehicles or be doing no knock raids for pot and dressing in camo pointing guns at innocent people. These LEOs are pretty much a bunch of ill trained rednecks. IMO How about they allow the property owners protect their own land without threat/fear of imprisonment?
I think ol'whitey can handle himself... | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Itsme - 2014-08-20 8:57 AM 3canstorun - 2014-08-20 8:48 AM Itsme - 2014-08-20 9:27 AM cruise - 2014-08-20 6:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-19 10:44 PM cruise - 2014-08-19 9:04 PM and a young girl said they have all this money for tanks and none to help me with my tuition.... Really. Also, Hands Up Don't Shoot is a coalition formed in Ferguson. They are not satisfied with Holder coming. They want Obama to come there because he went to Sandy Hook. Really!!!!! Doing a special on CNN now about racism. Well law enforcement shouldnt have military type vehicles or be doing no knock raids for pot and dressing in camo pointing guns at innocent people. These LEOs are pretty much a bunch of ill trained rednecks. IMO How about they allow the property owners protect their own land without threat/fear of imprisonment? I think ol'whitey can handle himself...
You obviously don't live in an area where to be white is to be a minority. | |
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| Three 4 Luck - 2014-08-20 9:05 AM
Itsme - 2014-08-20 8:57 AM 3canstorun - 2014-08-20 8:48 AM Itsme - 2014-08-20 9:27 AM cruise - 2014-08-20 6:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-19 10:44 PM cruise - 2014-08-19 9:04 PM and a young girl said they have all this money for tanks and none to help me with my tuition.... Really. Also, Hands Up Don't Shoot is a coalition formed in Ferguson. They are not satisfied with Holder coming. They want Obama to come there because he went to Sandy Hook. Really!!!!! Doing a special on CNN now about racism. Well law enforcement shouldnt have military type vehicles or be doing no knock raids for pot and dressing in camo pointing guns at innocent people. These LEOs are pretty much a bunch of ill trained rednecks. IMO How about they allow the property owners protect their own land without threat/fear of imprisonment? I think ol'whitey can handle himself...
Its never ending with you guys, let govt protect you from your neighbors, you know, the govt thats so great at everything they do... | |
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Been doing a little reading on deindividuation and how it relates to violence. First- the definition of deindividuation
-Deindividuation is the perceived loss of individuality and personal responsibility that can occur when someone participates as part of a group-
Ok, there has been several studies done correlating deindividuation and violence, suggesting that warriors who paint faces, wear masks or obscure their identity become significantly more violent in battle. One was done by Robert Watson(Harvard) and here is a quick synopsis of it
-Tested P. Zimbardo's hypothesis that the process of deindividuation leads to aggressive behavior using a worldwide sample selected from the cultures found in the Human Relations Area files. The variable of aggression was determined using Slater's code on "killing, torturing, or mutilating the enemy," which produced 37 cultures coded as high and medium and 47 coded as low. This sample was then reduced to avoid contamination. A comparison of linguistic groups and geographic locations was made, and those cultures that were too similar were eliminated. A code for deindividuation before going into battle was written and applied to the remaining 27 cultures. A significant positive relationship was found between deindividuation and aggressiveness in this sample.-
http://psycnet.apa.org/psycinfo/1973-24736-001
Ok so assuming this is true, we have SWAT Teams that have drastically increased in number and use since the 1970s (here is some info on SWAT)
Kraska estimates that total number of SWAT raids in America jumped from just a few hundred per year in the 1970s, to a few thousand by the early 1980s, to around 50,000 by the mid-2000s.
The vast majority of those raids are to serve warrants on people suspected of nonviolent drug crimes. Police forces were no longer reserving SWAT teams and paramilitary tactics for events that presented an immediate threat to the public. They were now using them mostly as an investigative tool in drug cases, creating violent confrontations with people suspected of nonviolent, consensual crimes.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/06/aclu-police-militarization...
also we have Zimbardos experiment with prison guards and prisoners where the guards were deindividuated with reflective glasses and uniforms-
The experiment, originally planned to span over two weeks, ended after only six days because of the sadistic treatment of the prisoners from the guards. Zimbardo attributed this behavior to deindividuation due to immersion within the group and creation of a strong group dynamic. Several elements added to the deindividuation of both guards and prisoners. Prisoners were made to dress alike, wearing stocking caps and hospital dressing gowns, and also were identified only by a number assigned to them rather than by their name. Guards were also given uniforms and reflective glasses which hid their faces.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deindividuation
The government is handing out all this military equipment and SWAT raids are going through the roof for drug crimes and search warrants.
Is the government trying to actively deindividuate the police even further? It seems to have been proven that taking away individuality while giving someone power and having an authority figure that the individual can shift responsibility for the bad behavior to (for example whoever thought it was a good idea to increase SWAT raids by 10,000%) has led to extreme violence in psychology studies and that seems to be exactly what our gov is doing to the police. Increasing their deindividuation as much as possible while simultaneously forcing violent conflicts with the public for no apparent reason. Seems to be like Zimbardo's experiment but with lots of weapons involved. | |
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| See what military equipment your police bought...
http://www.freep.com/interactive/article/20140817/NEWS06/140726001/... | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Itsme - 2014-08-20 9:21 AM Three 4 Luck - 2014-08-20 9:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-20 8:57 AM 3canstorun - 2014-08-20 8:48 AM Itsme - 2014-08-20 9:27 AM cruise - 2014-08-20 6:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-19 10:44 PM cruise - 2014-08-19 9:04 PM and a young girl said they have all this money for tanks and none to help me with my tuition.... Really. Also, Hands Up Don't Shoot is a coalition formed in Ferguson. They are not satisfied with Holder coming. They want Obama to come there because he went to Sandy Hook. Really!!!!! Doing a special on CNN now about racism. Well law enforcement shouldnt have military type vehicles or be doing no knock raids for pot and dressing in camo pointing guns at innocent people. These LEOs are pretty much a bunch of ill trained rednecks. IMO How about they allow the property owners protect their own land without threat/fear of imprisonment? I think ol'whitey can handle himself... Its never ending with you guys, let govt protect you from your neighbors, you know, the govt thats so great at everything they do...
That's not it at all and this circumstance is much different than a run of the mill robbery. To think that defending your property against hoards of looters wouldn't result in a full scale violent race war, even if it stayed local, is naive. This culture does not value human life. Not their own and sure as heck no one else's. So if the mobs come knocking and you start shooting, be prepared for ugly to run rampant. | |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | " Increasing their deindividuation as much as possible while simultaneously forcing violent conflicts with the public for no apparent reason. "
Uhhh...well I do believe Officer Wilson was in standard police uniform in a standard car not SWAT not militarized...not driving a tank. He certainly didn't FORCE a violent conflict witha member of "the public" for no apparent reason. I firmly believe that the violence, looting and mob rule would have occurred following that shooting even if the police came in wearing pink tutus and handing out balloons and lollipops.
Your referenced study lends itself very well to the mob mentality of the violent protesters...moreso than the cops. | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Itsme - 2014-08-20 9:28 AM See what military equipment your police bought... http://www.freep.com/interactive/article/20140817/NEWS06/140726001/...
My county wasn't on the list, so apparently none. So I looked up one nearby that is a hotbed for gang activity (and home of the town known as Crime Bluff. LOL)AR JEFFERSON LAUNCHER,GRENADE 1 Each $720.00 7/11/2006 AR JEFFERSON PISTOL,CALIBER .45,AUTOMATIC 1 Each $58.71 4/10/2009 AR JEFFERSON PISTOL,CALIBER .45,AUTOMATIC 1 Each $58.71 4/10/2009 AR JEFFERSON PISTOL,CALIBER .45,AUTOMATIC 1 Each $58.71 4/10/2009 AR JEFFERSON RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 10/12/2006 AR JEFFERSON RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 10/12/2006 AR JEFFERSON RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 10/12/2006 AR JEFFERSON RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 10/12/2006 AR JEFFERSON RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 10/12/2006 AR JEFFERSON RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 10/12/2006 AR JEFFERSON RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 10/12/2006 AR JEFFERSON RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 10/12/2006 AR JEFFERSON RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 10/12/2006 AR JEFFERSON RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 10/12/2006 AR JEFFERSON RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 10/12/2006 AR JEFFERSON RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 10/12/2006 AR JEFFERSON RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 10/12/2006 and so on, and so forth. Interesting on the grenade launcher. Edited by Three 4 Luck 2014-08-20 9:45 AM
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | Itsme - 2014-08-20 9:27 AM cruise - 2014-08-20 6:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-19 10:44 PM cruise - 2014-08-19 9:04 PM and a young girl said they have all this money for tanks and none to help me with my tuition.... Really. Also, Hands Up Don't Shoot is a coalition formed in Ferguson. They are not satisfied with Holder coming. They want Obama to come there because he went to Sandy Hook. Really!!!!! Doing a special on CNN now about racism. Well law enforcement shouldnt have military type vehicles or be doing no knock raids for pot and dressing in camo pointing guns at innocent people. These LEOs are pretty much a bunch of ill trained rednecks. IMO How about they allow the property owners protect their own land without threat/fear of imprisonment?
...... and that would solve what in this particular situation? Have you ever in your life been in a situation where you felt threatened enough to shoot someone? Have you ever shot someone? Much easier said than done. The property owners have the right to protect themselves and thankfully they have the good sense to know that doing so in this particular situation would cause a already volatile situation to erupt. It would not be the threat/fear of imprisionment that would prevent me from protecting my property in this situation - it would be the fear of being permanantly maimed or killed by someone there with a gun other than LEOs. I honestly feel I would survie my date in court. Not that it really matters - but I do have my CWP and am a pretty good shot. My gun is even registered. You spoke of training - how much training do you think the guy with the knife that charged the police had in the proper handling of a knife? How many of those out protesting and firing shots do you think are trained in gun safety and caring a registered gun? | |
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | Itsme - 2014-08-20 10:28 AM See what military equipment your police bought... http://www.freep.com/interactive/article/20140817/NEWS06/140726001/... Did you look at St. Louis County, MO? Saw some utility trucks - no tanks and no granade launchers. A lot of monitors, computers, some guns, robot for explosives, washcloths, 1 set of elbow pads, some type of coveralls, etc. It may be different in Michigan that was referenced in the artile in your link - but St. Loius looked pretty run of the mill to me and that is the area this thread is about. I will say the cost of the 1 wash cloth threw me for a loop. Must be a really nice one - not like the cheap ones I have a my house. :) That is something you normally hear someone talking about in situations such as the one in Ferguson. Has anyone had there had the time to even begin to compile the cost of over a week of unrest? Edited by cruise 2014-08-20 9:57 AM
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | cruise - 2014-08-20 8:35 AM Itsme - 2014-08-20 9:27 AM cruise - 2014-08-20 6:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-19 10:44 PM cruise - 2014-08-19 9:04 PM and a young girl said they have all this money for tanks and none to help me with my tuition.... Really. Also, Hands Up Don't Shoot is a coalition formed in Ferguson. They are not satisfied with Holder coming. They want Obama to come there because he went to Sandy Hook. Really!!!!! Doing a special on CNN now about racism. Well law enforcement shouldnt have military type vehicles or be doing no knock raids for pot and dressing in camo pointing guns at innocent people. These LEOs are pretty much a bunch of ill trained rednecks. IMO How about they allow the property owners protect their own land without threat/fear of imprisonment?
I haven't read all of this, just want to say that I agree that it's our personal resposibility and DUTY to protect ourselves if need be. To roll over, play dead or allow ourselves to be bullied and terrorized...is foolish. That's why we have 'Sheriff's Possee', search & rescue...and even militias. We have not only the right but the duty to uphold the law of our land as citizens.
People are controlled by fear.
I've been in 'situations' many times...thankfully, 'my' side became the ones to fear! Lol...and not because we're terrorists, rather because we refuse to be terrorized. We have an oath to each other & a plan...count to 3 & go @ 2 1/2. We are on the side of the law. Always have been, always will be.
I realize that most ppl have never had to know themselves this way & I hope never do...it's good to have a plan, though.
If the good people of Ferguson would stand up to the looters I guarantee it would stop with less violence than what is happening now.
JMHO...
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Location: Sperry, OK | Itsme - 2014-08-20 9:21 AM Three 4 Luck - 2014-08-20 9:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-20 8:57 AM 3canstorun - 2014-08-20 8:48 AM Itsme - 2014-08-20 9:27 AM cruise - 2014-08-20 6:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-19 10:44 PM cruise - 2014-08-19 9:04 PM and a young girl said they have all this money for tanks and none to help me with my tuition.... Really. Also, Hands Up Don't Shoot is a coalition formed in Ferguson. They are not satisfied with Holder coming. They want Obama to come there because he went to Sandy Hook. Really!!!!! Doing a special on CNN now about racism. Well law enforcement shouldnt have military type vehicles or be doing no knock raids for pot and dressing in camo pointing guns at innocent people. These LEOs are pretty much a bunch of ill trained rednecks. IMO How about they allow the property owners protect their own land without threat/fear of imprisonment? I think ol'whitey can handle himself... Its never ending with you guys, let govt protect you from your neighbors, you know, the govt thats so great at everything they do...
Well I tell you what... why don't you take your single shot sod off 12 guage and go down there and see how successful you are against 200! Do you really think the "average" american citizen can hold their own (with the normal types and quantities of guns the "average" american has) against a whole town, and the neighboring towns with their endless supply of automatic weapons? And it is not just 1 person at a time that goes into a store when looting/rioting.. its swarms of them. SERIOUSLY YOU HAVE A PROBLEM! | |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-08-20 9:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-20 9:21 AM Three 4 Luck - 2014-08-20 9:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-20 8:57 AM 3canstorun - 2014-08-20 8:48 AM Itsme - 2014-08-20 9:27 AM cruise - 2014-08-20 6:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-19 10:44 PM cruise - 2014-08-19 9:04 PM and a young girl said they have all this money for tanks and none to help me with my tuition.... Really. Also, Hands Up Don't Shoot is a coalition formed in Ferguson. They are not satisfied with Holder coming. They want Obama to come there because he went to Sandy Hook. Really!!!!! Doing a special on CNN now about racism. Well law enforcement shouldnt have military type vehicles or be doing no knock raids for pot and dressing in camo pointing guns at innocent people. These LEOs are pretty much a bunch of ill trained rednecks. IMO How about they allow the property owners protect their own land without threat/fear of imprisonment? I think ol'whitey can handle himself... Its never ending with you guys, let govt protect you from your neighbors, you know, the govt thats so great at everything they do...
Just remember...when people gang up they're usually cowards...none of them want to be 'the one' that gets shot...they'll hide like the cockroaches they are when you turn on the lights.
If I'm gonna die I'm going down fighting & will take a few with me when I go...
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Location: Sperry, OK | musikmaker - 2014-08-20 10:10 AM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-08-20 9:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-20 9:21 AM Three 4 Luck - 2014-08-20 9:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-20 8:57 AM 3canstorun - 2014-08-20 8:48 AM Itsme - 2014-08-20 9:27 AM cruise - 2014-08-20 6:05 AM Itsme - 2014-08-19 10:44 PM cruise - 2014-08-19 9:04 PM and a young girl said they have all this money for tanks and none to help me with my tuition.... Really. Also, Hands Up Don't Shoot is a coalition formed in Ferguson. They are not satisfied with Holder coming. They want Obama to come there because he went to Sandy Hook. Really!!!!! Doing a special on CNN now about racism. Well law enforcement shouldnt have military type vehicles or be doing no knock raids for pot and dressing in camo pointing guns at innocent people. These LEOs are pretty much a bunch of ill trained rednecks. IMO How about they allow the property owners protect their own land without threat/fear of imprisonment? I think ol'whitey can handle himself... Its never ending with you guys, let govt protect you from your neighbors, you know, the govt thats so great at everything they do...
If I'm gonna die I'm going down fighting & will take a few with me when I go...
Fear sux.
I agree with your statement.. but my point is: you are not going to be able to stop the masses and stop the rioting/looting with taking out 1 or 2 with you. You need assistance from a larger mass ... The National Guard, would be that mass. That is all I am trying to say. The National Guard is a state invoked militia to portect the citizens from internal uprisings (such as what is going on in Ferguson). They are also now incorporated with the Federal military. Once they started to accept equimpent and machinery from the Armed Forces to help them in their quest to protect us.. the Federal Military envoked a clause stating that if deemed neccessary, they could then be called up into action with our National Armed Forces.
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