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Location: Texas | cheryl makofka - 2014-09-30 1:13 PM
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cheryl makofka - 2014-09-30 10:43 AM People are saying to use the registered name to give credit where credit is due. Yes I do believe that breeding has a small part of making a champion, but I see training is the larger part. My understanding equistat does not credit the trainer anyway. Also someone please comment I heard equistat will not accept results unless 80 percent of horses are registered?
Equi Stat keeps record of the rider too.
The rider may not necessarily be the trainer though.
And can someone comment on the 80% registration requirement, is this true
What about the horses who were trained by someone else and didn't do well, then are doing well with you? You better believe when that happens, everyone who has a connection to that horse starts asking for their credit and claim to fame. There is never a clear picture. There's two NFR horses past and present I can think of right now who debate/have debated over where the credit is supposed to go as far as who trained him and her.
It is so hard to track giving credit where credit is due. I am not sure I think that is the point of equistat. I thought Equistat was about tracking earnings on the horse and rider for statistical purposes that can then be used to track bloodlines and success, provide verifiable earnings, create magic crosses for breeding purposes, etc.. It's not the only thing out there but it helps. | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Reading some of these responses is why barrel racing will never be considered an elite sport. Very sad.  | |
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Location: Adopt a homeless pet - www.petfinder.com! | Nevertooold - 2014-09-30 6:46 PM Reading some of these responses is why barrel racing will never be considered an elite sport. Very sad. 
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Reading some of these responses is why barrel racing will never be considered an elite sport. Very sad.
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Location: Running barrels or watching nascar | dashnlotti - 2014-09-29 11:01 PM
Because "Flamboyant Flit" doesn't fit on a line this _______ big LOL. And I have never seen anything on an entry form about earnings being reported to Equistat, so I don't know if anyone does it around here. I mainly run rodeos and I know they don't care. Honestly, for me, I don't even keep up with how much my horse has won-I just don't care. If I did, I would break down, cry my eyes out, and never pay another entry fee! I go to so few barrel races that a small amount of money won would probably look worse than "no results found" to a potential buyer. But I'm not selling anyway, so once again, I don't care. Sorry if I'm single-handedly ruining the entire horse industry! ETA: OK, I checked it out. I know for a fact I used his registered name at a couple big barrel races. According to Equistat the last time he was entered was 2009, so apparently the barrel races I do attend don't get reported anyway. I've owned him since 2010. And holy crapola the last one (and ONLY one ) I entered was 2001 according to the website!
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Location: WI | Calangelo - 2014-09-30 8:01 PM Nevertooold - 2014-09-30 6:46 PM Reading some of these responses is why barrel racing will never be considered an elite sport. Very sad.
If we want to follow successful organizations like NCHA, NRHA, etc. then ALL the barrel racing events have to be sanctioned with a single association. For some reason, it just doesn't work that way I guess. I'm not saying it's good or bad, it's just the way it is! If you go to a reining show, it is NRHA sanctioned (okay, so AQHA is the other one with reining classes). If you go to a barrel race, it is BBR, NBHA, IBRA, UBRA, BFA, PEWC, WPRA and the list goes on and on! Oh, and all the rodeo associations!
I have to say, I went and looked up my horses name on EquiStat and they only showed him as competing in 2 shows.... I didn't buy it, so I can't say which ones they were, but I've won over $1k this year alone and at a wide variety of sanctioned shows - all with his registered name.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | If I'm not mistaken...the show has to have at least $500.00 added. They aren't trying to get results from every little jackpot and backyard race.
What is really ridiculous...How do you think we know what stallions are producing winners?
EquiStat has been awesome and I love reading all the stats that come out every year. I sure understand Tanya's frustrations.
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Location: Nebraska | Nevertooold - 2014-09-30 9:03 PM If I'm not mistaken...the show has to have at least $500.00 added. They aren't trying to get results from every little jackpot and backyard race.
What is really ridiculous...How do you think we know what stallions are producing winners?
EquiStat has been awesome and I love reading all the stats that come out every year. I sure understand Tanya's frustrations.
I think that it's silly if it has to have at least 500 added. Even though local jackpots may not payout like the big races, it's still money earned. After time, that money adds up. Personally I think every show should report no matter how big or small. | |
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Location: Western performance horse Hades | My rant wasn't to benefit EquiStat. It wasn't even to make barrel racing an elite sport. I'd be happy with legitimate.
Even if a show is never turned into Equi-Stat, a registered name makes it easier for anyone to learn more about a horse. Through the AQHA database, for example. Barn names change, so you have a better chance of seeing who all rode a horse given a registered name, even if you just use Google or Bing or whatever your search engine of choice is. I know when I write sale catalogs I use Google just as much as I use AQHA, Equi-Stat and the Jockey Club.
As for Equi-Stat, they do only enter results with 80 percent registered names as it is pointless to waste their time entering barn names. If you don't have a registered horse (NR) or (Grade) behind the name works. They do keep info Grade horses if its provided. They know at least some of the breeding on a lot of great grade horses. Any show, regardless of payout, can be entered if all registered and noted grade names are provided in a database format. Several jackpot series and NBHA districts throughout the country submit their results.
For those that still don't believe in using registered names. I encourage you view the the Jud Little Corrected results thread on here. A barn name caused a very EXPENSIVE problem.
I'm please to say that some producers are now talking about refusing entries that don't have registered names or noted grade names for there open races.
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Location: Here | zipper - 2014-09-30 9:21 PM My rant wasn't to benefit EquiStat. It wasn't even to make barrel racing an elite sport. I'd be happy with legitimate.
Even if a show is never turned into Equi-Stat, a registered name makes it easier for anyone to learn more about a horse. Through the AQHA database, for example. Barn names change, so you have a better chance of seeing who all rode a horse given a registered name, even if you just use Google or Bing or whatever your search engine of choice is. I know when I write sale catalogs I use Google just as much as I use AQHA, Equi-Stat and the Jockey Club.
As for Equi-Stat, they do only enter results with 80 percent registered names as it is pointless to waste their time entering barn names. If you don't have a registered horse (NR) or (Grade) behind the name works. They do keep info Grade horses if its provided. They know at least some of the breeding on a lot of great grade horses. Any show, regardless of payout, can be entered if all registered and noted grade names are provided in a database format. Several jackpot series and NBHA districts throughout the country submit their results.
For those that still don't believe in using registered names. I encourage you view the the Jud Little Corrected results thread on here. A barn name caused a very EXPENSIVE problem.
I'm please to say that some producers are now talking about refusing entries that don't have registered names or noted grade names for there open races.
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Location: North Texas | Well Zipper..... You beat me to it! :) I haven't been on here in SOOOO Long! Mainly because barrel racers are really keeping me that busy! HA!
YEARS AGO, Equi-Stat had a minimum $20,000 added for us to enter a show into the database. However, that didn't work.. We had all these big huge shows and horribly low percentages on good names. That does not help our industry. In 2010, we decided to change things up a bit.. OK.. we changed it A LOT!!!! We decided enter ANY size race into the database, but it must have 80% REGISTERED AND NOTED GRADE HORSES. Yes (NR) or (G) will be fine.. and all the other information too like Added money and Number of entries.
SIDE NOTE:::::: Here is a really cool thing that the other disciplines have been doing for years. You give your grade horse a really super cool name to make him/her an individual. For instance.. My good gelding is named Lucky. But I always call him Lucky Longnoggin... yes his head a little long.. HA! What I do when I enter a barrel race is write Lucky Longnoggin (NR) aka Lucky.... and I might go as far as letting them know he is a 9yo brown gelding. I know some of the lines aren't long enough for all that, but at some point maybe I could let some one know. Once the information is in Equi-Stat, I just have to enter as Lucky Longnoggin (I have a place for the alias Lucky) :)
What this does is create an individual IDENTITY for Lucky, otherwise, he is lost in a sea of Lucky's... and trust me.. HE IS MOST DEFINITELY A ONE AND ONLY.. LOL
HORSE 1 And UNKNOWN will not help our industry. We have some of the most amazing stallions out there.... AFFORDABLE world class stallions. You guys won't ever know how great they are because people are entering their offspring with barn names. WHY? Ok so Dash Ta Fame and Frenchmans Guy sell.. Not many barrel racers have heard of the stallion Metallic Cat, so when I enter my mare as just Kitty we are missing something here. (I used Metallic Cat because I wanted to pretend for a minute I had one of his babies!!!) Back to my story.. SQUIRREL! HA! The results for this big huge barrel race I went to comes out and I WON IT ALL! (dreaming again) But It just says 1st is Tysh riding Kitty. She ran a whole second faster than anyone and won $10,000!!! No one ever knows the greatness that is Kitty... and no one is booking to breed to Metallic Cat to own one just like her. Do you follow me???
These horses are wonderful beautiful gifts!! Our partners, best friends & fur-babies... Sometimes they have a bad day. Just like my 13 year old son
at his football game.. or my 6 year old son at his judo tournament.. I wouldn't change their name to hide that they are mine... So they messed up. It's part of learning and part of living. I say this because I have seen so many people use a barn name for that very reason. If they run everything under Horse 1,2 and 3.. and some one does bad.. no one will ever know. YES We all know this anyway, because no horse is absolutely perfect!!! Except for maybe Lucky Longnoggin.. HA!
WE TRACK WPRA RODEOS!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just incase you guys didn't know that. Thanks to a few selfless individuals that work their tails off to get this information. Rodeos are different. We don't have to enter ahead of time with a horse name, so this is a TON of work for the volunteers that help me gather this info. THANK YOU FOR THAT TANYA!!!
We have some IPRA & CPRA (Canada) rodeos. Southeastern rodeo assoc.. We have tried to get cooperation with UPRA contestants here in Texas, which was pretty close for some rodeos last year, but not good enough to get them all in.. And these people are working hard to get this information to me. They care with their whole hearts about barrel racing and these great horses!
I would love to get every single barrel race that happens in the US and Canada and Brazil and China and Italy.. EVERYWHERE!!!!!! OMGOSH!! College rodeos!! Wouldn't that be FANTABULOUS to be able to have registered and noted grade horses from college rodeos!!!!?!?!?!?!? And have a statistical on what bloodlines are making good college rodeo horses!!!!!! WHAT ABOUT JUNIOR/YOUTH RODEO!!!! These horses are just as special as the ones that make it to the NFR.. Maybe even more special because they take care of our CHILDREN!!!!!
Some one has to be the person to say.. TODAY it's gonna be different. That's how we got started with WPRA results. Kitty Herrin decided to make it different out in Montana!! The rest is HISTORY!!! Thank you Kitty!
Some things you should know about Equi-Stat.
1. We are based on REPORTED EARNINGS. If they don't send it, we don't have it. It's not that we are inaccurate (yes we make mistakes) it's that PRODUCERS AREN'T SENDING THIS STUFF TO US!! Just email your result file to [email protected] and PLEASE include, City and state where the show is held, the date, added money per class, number of entries per class, rider names with city and state, REGISTERED or NOTED GRADE HORSE NAME, place, time and money earned. It's really simple!!!
2. We are only as good as the good information we are given.
3. We have actually been here since the mid 80s!!
4. We have barrel racing aged events back to the late 80s.
5. There are 5 of us in this ENTIRE department working on Cutting, Reining, Working Cow Horse, Western Pleasure, Hunter Hack, Longe Line, Hunter Under Saddle, Ranch Sorting, Ranch Versatility, Stock Horse, and Barrel Racing..
We split this up in the department and YES, my focus is Barrel Racing. Please remember me when you are entering your horses!! :) My co-workers help me so so much but for the most part it's just me. The better the results, the quicker I can get this stuff in and the MORE I can get in.
If you have any questions, you can reply here or email me. [email protected] I would be happy to answer anything I might have missed.. There's so much in my head and in my heart that I want you all to know about Equi-Stat. We aren't new to the performance horse industry. It's so much better than it was when I started here 13 1/2 years ago. But we can make this so much better!!
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Location: Pilot Point, TX | Oh Zipper and ucantcatch me... Love you guys! :) Thank you for the very, very good explanations.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | ucantcatchme, that was very well written and made me laugh. Thank you. | |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Equistat can only record the information submitted. So if they dont have all your horses earnings, and your still entering with a barn name....when does the light bulb come on?
And if you are entering by your horses reg. name but the earnings arent there, then you need to put the pressure on the race producer to send the race results in. All they have to do is send them in!! Yes there are many smaller "associations" that are regionally based but many of those do send in results. I know many also require those producing races under their association to get reg. names and the approving assoc. sends in all results. Even for the little weekly jackpot. It's up to ALL of us to do our part! We all love this sport and I cant imagine anybody that wouldnt want it to be the best as an industry as it can be!! It benefits ALL of us! | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Another example of "why" the horse's registered name or (NR) or (G) should be required is the Troy Crumrine fiasco..... | |
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | ucantcatchme - 2014-10-01 10:20 AM Well Zipper..... You beat me to it! :) I haven't been on here in SOOOO Long! Mainly because barrel racers are really keeping me that busy! HA!
YEARS AGO, Equi-Stat had a minimum $20,000 added for us to enter a show into the database. However, that didn't work.. We had all these big huge shows and horribly low percentages on good names. That does not help our industry. In 2010, we decided to change things up a bit.. OK.. we changed it A LOT!!!! We decided enter ANY size race into the database, but it must have 80% REGISTERED AND NOTED GRADE HORSES. Yes (NR) or (G) will be fine.. and all the other information too like Added money and Number of entries.
SIDE NOTE:::::: Here is a really cool thing that the other disciplines have been doing for years. You give your grade horse a really super cool name to make him/her an individual. For instance.. My good gelding is named Lucky. But I always call him Lucky Longnoggin... yes his head a little long.. HA! What I do when I enter a barrel race is write Lucky Longnoggin (NR) aka Lucky.... and I might go as far as letting them know he is a 9yo brown gelding. I know some of the lines aren't long enough for all that, but at some point maybe I could let some one know. Once the information is in Equi-Stat, I just have to enter as Lucky Longnoggin (I have a place for the alias Lucky) :)
What this does is create an individual IDENTITY for Lucky, otherwise, he is lost in a sea of Lucky's... and trust me.. HE IS MOST DEFINITELY A ONE AND ONLY.. LOL
HORSE 1 And UNKNOWN will not help our industry. We have some of the most amazing stallions out there.... AFFORDABLE world class stallions. You guys won't ever know how great they are because people are entering their offspring with barn names. WHY? Ok so Dash Ta Fame and Frenchmans Guy sell.. Not many barrel racers have heard of the stallion Metallic Cat, so when I enter my mare as just Kitty we are missing something here. (I used Metallic Cat because I wanted to pretend for a minute I had one of his babies!!!) Back to my story.. SQUIRREL! HA! The results for this big huge barrel race I went to comes out and I WON IT ALL! (dreaming again) But It just says 1st is Tysh riding Kitty. She ran a whole second faster than anyone and won $10,000!!! No one ever knows the greatness that is Kitty... and no one is booking to breed to Metallic Cat to own one just like her. Do you follow me???
These horses are wonderful beautiful gifts!! Our partners, best friends & fur-babies... Sometimes they have a bad day. Just like my 13 year old son
at his football game.. or my 6 year old son at his judo tournament.. I wouldn't change their name to hide that they are mine... So they messed up. It's part of learning and part of living. I say this because I have seen so many people use a barn name for that very reason. If they run everything under Horse 1,2 and 3.. and some one does bad.. no one will ever know. YES We all know this anyway, because no horse is absolutely perfect!!! Except for maybe Lucky Longnoggin.. HA!
WE TRACK WPRA RODEOS!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just incase you guys didn't know that. Thanks to a few selfless individuals that work their tails off to get this information. Rodeos are different. We don't have to enter ahead of time with a horse name, so this is a TON of work for the volunteers that help me gather this info. THANK YOU FOR THAT TANYA!!!
We have some IPRA & CPRA (Canada) rodeos. Southeastern rodeo assoc.. We have tried to get cooperation with UPRA contestants here in Texas, which was pretty close for some rodeos last year, but not good enough to get them all in.. And these people are working hard to get this information to me. They care with their whole hearts about barrel racing and these great horses!
I would love to get every single barrel race that happens in the US and Canada and Brazil and China and Italy.. EVERYWHERE!!!!!! OMGOSH!! College rodeos!! Wouldn't that be FANTABULOUS to be able to have registered and noted grade horses from college rodeos!!!!?!?!?!?!? And have a statistical on what bloodlines are making good college rodeo horses!!!!!! WHAT ABOUT JUNIOR/YOUTH RODEO!!!! These horses are just as special as the ones that make it to the NFR.. Maybe even more special because they take care of our CHILDREN!!!!!
Some one has to be the person to say.. TODAY it's gonna be different. That's how we got started with WPRA results. Kitty Herrin decided to make it different out in Montana!! The rest is HISTORY!!! Thank you Kitty!
Some things you should know about Equi-Stat.
1. We are based on REPORTED EARNINGS. If they don't send it, we don't have it. It's not that we are inaccurate (yes we make mistakes) it's that PRODUCERS AREN'T SENDING THIS STUFF TO US!! Just email your result file to [email protected] and PLEASE include, City and state where the show is held, the date, added money per class, number of entries per class, rider names with city and state, REGISTERED or NOTED GRADE HORSE NAME, place, time and money earned. It's really simple!!!
2. We are only as good as the good information we are given.
3. We have actually been here since the mid 80s!!
4. We have barrel racing aged events back to the late 80s.
5. There are 5 of us in this ENTIRE department working on Cutting, Reining, Working Cow Horse, Western Pleasure, Hunter Hack, Longe Line, Hunter Under Saddle, Ranch Sorting, Ranch Versatility, Stock Horse, and Barrel Racing..
We split this up in the department and YES, my focus is Barrel Racing. Please remember me when you are entering your horses!! :) My co-workers help me so so much but for the most part it's just me. The better the results, the quicker I can get this stuff in and the MORE I can get in.
If you have any questions, you can reply here or email me. [email protected] I would be happy to answer anything I might have missed.. There's so much in my head and in my heart that I want you all to know about Equi-Stat. We aren't new to the performance horse industry. It's so much better than it was when I started here 13 1/2 years ago. But we can make this so much better!!
OMGOSH!! Flame away!!!!!!
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Location: North Texas | Would you like to know the biggest purpose for (NR)??? That's so I don't have to spend 20 minutes searching the database or the internet for horses ridden by Tysh that might have the barn name Lucky.. and THEN find a race that would have the alias of Lucky listed with the registered name. Or stalk Tysh on FaceBook to see if there is a picture or a congratulations for Tysh and Lucky and maybe see a registered name for him somewhere....whew... breathe.... YES I DO THAT!!! WHY?? Because I love what I do. And I want your information to be accurate.
Some times I ask myself WHY???? It boils down to this.. I have owned the horses, ridden the horses, trained the horses, loved the horses and sold them as well, and I want to be sure to do the best job I can in having accurate information for YOU and YOUR HORSE. $100,000 in the Juvenile at the BFA or the $25 in the Youth 5D from the arena down the road. Your horse deserves to be credited. The stallion deserves to be credited. The entire mare line deserves the credit. Not every horse in the world is valued by the amount of zeros in total earnings he or she might have. It might just be the consistency. The ability to run all over the country and be the same every time. By entering $25 at a time.. we can prove worth... and over the years I have learned.. those well known barrel racing bloodlines really do produce barrel horses, but so does that old foundation bloodline too.. or that wild outcross that some one gave a try...
I'd love to try to win every one of you over to being a fan of Equi-Stat!! This will only be as good as what we make it. | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | ucantcatchme - 2014-10-01 12:13 PM Would you like to know the biggest purpose for (NR)??? That's so I don't have to spend 20 minutes searching the database or the internet for horses ridden by Tysh that might have the barn name Lucky.. and THEN find a race that would have the alias of Lucky listed with the registered name. Or stalk Tysh on FaceBook to see if there is a picture or a congratulations for Tysh and Lucky and maybe see a registered name for him somewhere....whew... breathe.... YES I DO THAT!!! WHY?? Because I love what I do. And I want your information to be accurate.
Some times I ask myself WHY???? It boils down to this.. I have owned the horses, ridden the horses, trained the horses, loved the horses and sold them as well, and I want to be sure to do the best job I can in having accurate information for YOU and YOUR HORSE. $100,000 in the Juvenile at the BFA or the $25 in the Youth 5D from the arena down the road. Your horse deserves to be credited. The stallion deserves to be credited. The entire mare line deserves the credit. Not every horse in the world is valued by the amount of zeros in total earnings he or she might have. It might just be the consistency. The ability to run all over the country and be the same every time. By entering $25 at a time.. we can prove worth... and over the years I have learned.. those well known barrel racing bloodlines really do produce barrel horses, but so does that old foundation bloodline too.. or that wild outcross that some one gave a try...
I'd love to try to win every one of you over to being a fan of Equi-Stat!! This will only be as good as what we make it.
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Location: Tx | ucantcatchme - 2014-10-01 12:13 PM Would you like to know the biggest purpose for (NR)??? That's so I don't have to spend 20 minutes searching the database or the internet for horses ridden by Tysh that might have the barn name Lucky.. and THEN find a race that would have the alias of Lucky listed with the registered name. Or stalk Tysh on FaceBook to see if there is a picture or a congratulations for Tysh and Lucky and maybe see a registered name for him somewhere....whew... breathe.... YES I DO THAT!!! WHY?? Because I love what I do. And I want your information to be accurate.
Some times I ask myself WHY???? It boils down to this.. I have owned the horses, ridden the horses, trained the horses, loved the horses and sold them as well, and I want to be sure to do the best job I can in having accurate information for YOU and YOUR HORSE. $100,000 in the Juvenile at the BFA or the $25 in the Youth 5D from the arena down the road. Your horse deserves to be credited. The stallion deserves to be credited. The entire mare line deserves the credit. Not every horse in the world is valued by the amount of zeros in total earnings he or she might have. It might just be the consistency. The ability to run all over the country and be the same every time. By entering $25 at a time.. we can prove worth... and over the years I have learned.. those well known barrel racing bloodlines really do produce barrel horses, but so does that old foundation bloodline too.. or that wild outcross that some one gave a try...
I'd love to try to win every one of you over to being a fan of Equi-Stat!! This will only be as good as what we make it.
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