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Location: Here | rachellyn80 - 2015-04-07 4:02 PM CYA Ranch - 2015-04-07 3:37 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-04-07 2:39 PM So then I questioned further:
Do these mills that are Monensin free use Lasalocid or any other ionophores?
Their response:
I just confirmed that these are totally Ionophore free… (except the Wisconsin mill - but as I mentioned, they have separate lines and systems for medicated and non-medicated feeds)
Please let me know how I can assist further.
Thanks!
Its like pulling teeth to get some of these companies to say whether they are COMPLETELY ionophore free. I really wonder if these people even know what the heck we're asking them.
Here's the response:
Yes,
There are mills that produce medicated feeds and also produce our feeds. Your area code puts you in Oklahoma. Your area would typically only be supplied only by the Seguin, Texas mill (indicated by an 81 on the feed tag ). That mill was down for a bit for upgrades and the feed to that area has been supplied by: Byhalia Mississippi mill (indicated by a BY on the feed dag ) and the Casa Grande, AZ mill (indicated by a CG on the feed tag )- The Casa Grande mill does produce feeds with ionophores.
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | This is the answer that I received from Triple Crown. From: Triple Crown Answers [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 12:43 PM
To: Nancy Jones
Subject: RE: Feed
Hello Nancy,
Thank you for reaching out to us. Your Triple Crown feed is made at the Southern States mill in Valdosta, GA and regarding the recent incidents, Southern States has made the following statement released to the public that I wanted to share with you! http://www.southernstates.com/articles/feed-statement2.aspx
Any other questions, please let us know.
Jessica Drexler, PAS
Community Manager
952-905-2180 (direct line)
 952-473-6330 | website | blog | facebook | dealers
315 Lake Street East, Suite 300| Wayzata, MN 55391
From: Nancy Jones
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 9:01 AM
To: Triple Crown Answers
Subject: Feed
I am new to Triple Crown feed. Can you please answer a question for me?
Is any of the Triple Crown horse feed that would be distributed in SE Georgia produced in a mill that also uses monesin? Or other cattle additives?
Thanks
Nancy Jones
I then sent them this email in response because I felt that they avoided the question - I never did get an answer.
Thank you for answering.
Yes, I was aware of the statement recently released. However, my question is – at the Valdosta mill, which is only 45 miles from my house, is monensin used on the same production line?
Thank you.
I think they are all lying and unless you mention the product by brand name, scientific name or street name, they are not going to give you a straight answer.
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Location: Here | That statement is just wrong. Safe practices barf. I want to see these people start putting it on their and their families cereal every morning and then eat it. Bet they change safe practices to free |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | SG. - 2015-04-08 8:24 AM That statement is just wrong. Safe practices barf. I want to see these people start putting it on their and their families cereal every morning and then eat it. Bet they change safe practices to free I know. I can click on a link in the email and it says for more in depth questions about feed, please contact us. So, I just did. We will see if I get an answer. I am not feeding anything from a manufacturer at the moment. I really want to go to the plant and see for myself what is there. But, they won't let you in.
What really makes me so mad is that when I sent the followup email, they choose not to answer. To me, that means they are guilty. If they were not, they would have responded.
Edited by 3canstorun 2015-04-08 7:44 AM
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Location: Beggs, OK | We are most definitely being lied to. Lying by omission is still lying. Dismissing concerns by telling a horse owner that one toxin is much less dangerous than another is just as wrong. |
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Location: Oklahoma | The feed companies must think we are uneducated and stupid. What they don't know is that we (Rachel especially) have done studying and reading to educate ourselves. It's making them look bad.
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Location: Here | rachellyn80 - 2015-04-08 8:12 AM We are most definitely being lied to. Lying by omission is still lying. Dismissing concerns by telling a horse owner that one toxin is much less dangerous than another is just as wrong.
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| 3canstorun - 2015-04-08 7:42 AM
SG. - 2015-04-08 8:24 AM That statement is just wrong. Safe practices barf. I want to see these people start putting it on their and their families cereal every morning and then eat it. Bet they change safe practices to free I know. I can click on a link in the email and it says for more in depth questions about feed, please contact us. So, I just did. We will see if I get an answer. I am not feeding anything from a manufacturer at the moment. I really want to go to the plant and see for myself what is there. But, they won't let you in.
What really makes me so mad is that when I sent the followup email, they choose not to answer. To me, that means they are guilty. If they were not, they would have responded.
Maybe you should send them another email telling them that since they are not answering your questions, you will regretfully not be buying their feed and will not be able to recommend it to anyone asking about their feed. I wonder if we started letting them know that a specific person is going to not buy their feed and are going to educate all their friends about this issue and recommend people not buy their feed, if it would help get the message across to these businesses. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | The response that I just received from Purina was disappointing. I asked the same question that I asked TC. Please send a list of ionophore free mills....
They wrote me back asking for the tag from my feed and they would tell me where it was manufactured.
I responded that it wasn't about my feed specifically....I would just like to know which mills do not produce ionophore medicated feed. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Here is the reply I just received from Triple Crown regarding the Valdosta GA mill.
Hi Nancy – thank you for your inquiry – specifically for our mill in Valdosta, we do not have rumensin but do have Bovatec used in beef feeds.
Please let me know if you need any further information.
Ruth
Ruth Hopke
Feed Division Technical Service
Southern States Cooperative
888.221.8987
804.281.1430
804.381.8349 cell
[email protected]
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From: Nancy Jones [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 8:27 AM
To: SSC Feed Questions
Subject: Valdosta GA Feed Mill
Good morning,
Can you please tell me if monensin, ionophores, Bovatec, or any rumensin products are used at the Valdosta GA mill?
I am aware of your safety plans, and your awards for safe feed handling and all the precautions that you take and implement.
I just would like to know if any of the above-mentioned or any other cattle feeds are made at the same facility.
Thank you
Nancy Jones
So, you can see that unless you do ask specific questions - you will not get a good answer. Cross Triple Crown off the list of safe feeds from the Georgia plant.
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Location: Beggs, OK | 3canstorun - 2015-04-08 10:03 AM Here is the reply I just received from Triple Crown regarding the Valdosta GA mill.
Hi Nancy – thank you for your inquiry – specifically for our mill in Valdosta, we do not have rumensin but do have Bovatec used in beef feeds.
Please let me know if you need any further information.
Ruth
Ruth Hopke
Feed Division Technical Service
Southern States Cooperative
888.221.8987
804.281.1430
804.381.8349 cell
[email protected]
[email protected]
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From: Nancy Jones [ mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 8:27 AM
To: SSC Feed Questions
Subject: Valdosta GA Feed Mill
Good morning,
Can you please tell me if monensin, ionophores, Bovatec, or any rumensin products are used at the Valdosta GA mill?
I am aware of your safety plans, and your awards for safe feed handling and all the precautions that you take and implement.
I just would like to know if any of the above-mentioned or any other cattle feeds are made at the same facility.
Thank you
Nancy Jones
So, you can see that unless you do ask specific questions - you will not get a good answer. Cross Triple Crown off the list of safe feeds from the Georgia plant.
Stacy Andersen with Triple Crown is who answered my inquiry. Sounds like she and Ruth need to talk.
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Location: Here | Honestly I am tired of them twisting this whole ionophore deal and not including Bovatec This is the exact same thing Red Chain feeds aka Gorman mills did. What is even more irritating for examply Gorman isn't on the FDA list as being approved to handled ionophore feeds. So what the heck. |
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| Fun2Run - 2015-02-17 7:23 PM Fun2Run - 2015-02-16 4:38 PM blueskies - 2015-02-15 11:02 PM Could alfalfa cubes be tainted too? Anyone know about Bryant feeds? I've emailed Bryant and will post their answer when I receive it.
The Medicated feeds for cattle are medicated w/ Chlortetracyline, not an ionophore. We do not handle any products, such as Rumensin or Urea that can be detrimental to equine.
That is exactly what my feedstore guy told me. I feed Bryant to an old timer. He does well on it and I had planned to leave him on it regardless of status due to the fact that he doesn't have that long left. Or I didn't think he did anyway. He has probably put on 100 lbs on this feed in the last two months. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | SG. - 2015-04-07 7:46 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-04-07 4:02 PM CYA Ranch - 2015-04-07 3:37 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-04-07 2:39 PM So then I questioned further:
Do these mills that are Monensin free use Lasalocid or any other ionophores?
Their response:
I just confirmed that these are totally Ionophore free… (except the Wisconsin mill - but as I mentioned, they have separate lines and systems for medicated and non-medicated feeds)
Please let me know how I can assist further.
Thanks!
Its like pulling teeth to get some of these companies to say whether they are COMPLETELY ionophore free. I really wonder if these people even know what the heck we're asking them.
Here's the response:
Yes,
There are mills that produce medicated feeds and also produce our feeds. Your area code puts you in Oklahoma. Your area would typically only be supplied only by the Seguin, Texas mill (indicated by an 81 on the feed tag ). That mill was down for a bit for upgrades and the feed to that area has been supplied by: Byhalia Mississippi mill (indicated by a BY on the feed dag ) and the Casa Grande, AZ mill (indicated by a CG on the feed tag )- The Casa Grande mill does produce feeds with ionophores.
I can't remember where I read it, but, it was posted that Byhalia does medicated feed in a segregrated area. It's all too confusing so I'm done with Triple Crown. I have checked tags at many different feed stores and I have not found one bag of Triple Crown SR that has come from the Sequin, Texas mill. It's been either the BY or CG mill. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | kmcsunshine - 2015-04-20 6:54 PM Fun2Run - 2015-02-17 7:23 PM Fun2Run - 2015-02-16 4:38 PM blueskies - 2015-02-15 11:02 PM Could alfalfa cubes be tainted too? Anyone know about Bryant feeds? I've emailed Bryant and will post their answer when I receive it.
The Medicated feeds for cattle are medicated w/ Chlortetracyline, not an ionophore. We do not handle any products, such as Rumensin or Urea that can be detrimental to equine.
I think that many of the weather related colics, ulcers, and general lack of conditioning that we see are more related to what we are putting in their bellies.
Mine are still drawn up, but are improving. I'm trying to find a good alternative to commercial concentrated feeds completely. I sent you a PM on Facebook about the one that I've found that might be feasible for you. They have several dealers in West Texas and are looking for more ranch type users of this product. They don't want to sell it out of feed stores. |
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Location: Big Blue Skies | I'm still confused ~ ugh! Is Bryant feed safe? bluebonnet feed is safe right ? |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | blueskies - 2015-04-22 8:29 PM I'm still confused ~ ugh! Is Bryant feed safe? bluebonnet feed is safe right ?
BlueBonnet is safe and many have gone to their line of feeds. I'm trying to get it.
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Location: Oklahoma | This is probably stupid question but do you have to worry bout alfalfa pellets? |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Turnburnsis - 2015-04-22 11:44 PM This is probably stupid question but do you have to worry bout alfalfa pellets?
Yes. Standlee is clean. I'm not sure about the others. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2015-04-23 10:17 AM Turnburnsis - 2015-04-22 11:44 PM This is probably stupid question but do you have to worry bout alfalfa pellets? Yes. Standlee is clean. I'm not sure about the others.
I bought a bag of the Standlee alfalfa pellets last week and my horse loves them. I never liked their beet pulp shreds or their baled alfalfa so I was kind of hesistant but I needed to get something. |
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