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Location: Arkansas | Grunt - 2015-04-10 10:41 PM
Haha, I'd LOVE to truely hear everyone's opinions if it was THEIR horse that was stolen and injured. It's always easy to sit on that high horse, until of course, someone yanks it out from under you and takes it for a joyride in the desert!
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Location: Arkansas | Southtxponygirl - 2015-04-10 10:49 PM
Grunt - 2015-04-10 10:41 PM Haha, I'd LOVE to truely hear everyone's opinions if it was THEIR horse that was stolen and injured. It's always easy to sit on that high horse, until of course, someone yanks it out from under you and takes it for a joyride in the desert!
Well if that ever happen to me where someone pulls or knocked me off my horse and haul's booty on him and hurts my baby it sure would not be pretty for that person when I caught up with them. I agree the guy is a total puke, but the cops should not have giving that puke such a beating, maybe good kick in the a**, but if I was the owner of the horse he would have gotton more then a kick from me. 
If it was my baby they stole, they would WANT the cops to get to them before I did. Sad to say that video was mild compared to what I would have done to them. |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | The law states you are guilty till proven innocent. Reverse...not on either side for I hate both. I have been accused of crimes I've never entered to. I was pulled over for driving in the left lane for no other reason and I was there because he had already had someone stopped. He purposely escalated an argument where there was none. I told I would have his badge ...it made it to court... so yea no respect for either. That is just one I mention there have been others . No matter he was in cuffs.thief caught. |
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| News just reported that he broke into a home and stole a motorcycle for the first leg of his escape. They interviewed the home owners. He was already on probation for other crimes therefore convicted in a court of law. He was guilty before he started his crazy escape. THe commissioner has suspended all officers with pay pending investigation. I would love to talk to them about their side of it. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | FLITASTIC - 2015-04-11 10:15 AM News just reported that he broke into a home and stole a motorcycle for the first leg of his escape. They interviewed the home owners. He was already on probation for other crimes therefore convicted in a court of law. He was guilty before he started his crazy escape. THe commissioner has suspended all officers with pay pending investigation. I would love to talk to them about their side of it.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | EqualRanch - 2015-04-10 11:23 PM I will say 99% of the time I side with police officers, not only because my father has been in law enforcement for over 25 years and is now a Texas Ranger, but because this country needs some dang discipline.
You are breaking the law, if:
- You run from a police officer
- If you strike or attempt harm on a police officer
- Steal; take something that does NOT belong to you
What is so hard to understand about that?!
Then we have people defending criminals.... And people wonder why we have to lock our doors at night, lock all our trucks/trailers at barrel races and carry guns on us.... Who the h*ll is defending the criminal......Just because he is guilty of any of the offenses that you mentioned, does NOT give the "thug" cops (EIGHT of them) the right to kick the sh*t out of him.....He went to the ground (with a little help from the horse....lol) but was not "taken down" and immediately put his hands behind his back to be cuffed....he posed NO danger to anyone and the cops BROKE THE LAW when they gave him the "beat down". Had he been fighting the cops or had a weapon, etc....then it would be a whole other scenario!
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| Okay I agree the cops hit him two times too many!! The rest of the hits well, I say he got all of those injuries from falling off the horse let alone trying to get on and falling off again, before he took off on the horse. |
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| NJJ - 2015-04-12 12:18 PM EqualRanch - 2015-04-10 11:23 PM I will say 99% of the time I side with police officers, not only because my father has been in law enforcement for over 25 years and is now a Texas Ranger, but because this country needs some dang discipline.
You are breaking the law, if:
- You run from a police officer
- If you strike or attempt harm on a police officer
- Steal; take something that does NOT belong to you
What is so hard to understand about that?!
Then we have people defending criminals.... And people wonder why we have to lock our doors at night, lock all our trucks/trailers at barrel races and carry guns on us.... Who the h*ll is defending the criminal......Just because he is guilty of any of the offenses that you mentioned, does NOT give the "thug" cops (EIGHT of them) the right to kick the sh*t out of him.....He went to the ground (with a little help from the horse....lol) but was not "taken down" and immediately put his hands behind his back to be cuffed....he posed NO danger to anyone and the cops BROKE THE LAW when they gave him the "beat down". Had he been fighting the cops or had a weapon, etc....then it would be a whole other scenario!
Exactly. There's more. If you had a personal stake in this, such as; it was your horse, or you were hurt...then if YOU beat him up, that's understandable since you are emotionally invested....but...these cops are supposed to be cops. Not emotionally invested, just take him in and let the courts go from there.
Makes me wonder just where all this frustration is coming from...hmm..
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I really dont see anyone defending this loser, its just that the cops took it to far once again, it just takes one bad apple to get things going. I'm saying if this puke stole my horse and I caught up with him I would have kicked the crud out of him.The cops should have just did their job by catching him and hauling his butt in but they were like a pack of dogs that wanted a piece of the action. |
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| NJJ - 2015-04-11 12:18 PM
EqualRanch - 2015-04-10 11:23 PM I will say 99% of the time I side with police officers, not only because my father has been in law enforcement for over 25 years and is now a Texas Ranger, but because this country needs some dang discipline.Â
You are breaking the law, if:Â
- You run from a police officer
- If you strike or attempt harm on a police officer
- Steal; take something that does NOT belong to youÂ
What is so hard to understand about that?!Â
Then we have people defending criminals.... And people wonder why we have to lock our doors at night, lock all our trucks/trailers at barrel races and carry guns on us....  Who the h*ll is defending the criminal......Just because he is guilty of any of the offenses that you mentioned, does NOT give the "thug" cops (EIGHT of them) the right to kick the sh*t out of him.....He went to the ground (with a little help from the horse....lol) but was not "taken down" and immediately put his hands behind his back to be cuffed....he posed NO danger to anyone and the cops BROKE THE LAW when they gave him the "beat down". Had he been fighting the cops or had a weapon, etc....then it would be a whole other scenario! Â
I don't agree. I don't care if he spread eagle and gave up, fell off the horse etc he made a choice a long long time before that when he broke the law by running from police. Then he made a choice to steal the motor cycle. Then he made a choice to steal the horse. It wasn't until he finally got cornered that he finally gave up by that time he had broken several laws not to mention what ever law made the cops look for him in the first place ( identity theft). So him laying down on the desert floor spread eagle was the end. Maybe had he made better choices from the very beginning and spread eagle when the cops showed up he wouldn't have got his just consequences. |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | FLITASTIC - 2015-04-11 2:16 PM NJJ - 2015-04-11 12:18 PM EqualRanch - 2015-04-10 11:23 PM I will say 99% of the time I side with police officers, not only because my father has been in law enforcement for over 25 years and is now a Texas Ranger, but because this country needs some dang discipline.
You are breaking the law, if:
- You run from a police officer
- If you strike or attempt harm on a police officer
- Steal; take something that does NOT belong to you
What is so hard to understand about that?!
Then we have people defending criminals.... And people wonder why we have to lock our doors at night, lock all our trucks/trailers at barrel races and carry guns on us.... Who the h*ll is defending the criminal......Just because he is guilty of any of the offenses that you mentioned, does NOT give the "thug" cops (EIGHT of them) the right to kick the sh*t out of him.....He went to the ground (with a little help from the horse....lol) but was not "taken down" and immediately put his hands behind his back to be cuffed....he posed NO danger to anyone and the cops BROKE THE LAW when they gave him the "beat down". Had he been fighting the cops or had a weapon, etc....then it would be a whole other scenario!
I don't agree. I don't care if he spread eagle and gave up, fell off the horse etc he made a choice a long long time before that when he broke the law by running from police. Then he made a choice to steal the motor cycle. Then he made a choice to steal the horse. It wasn't until he finally got cornered that he finally gave up by that time he had broken several laws not to mention what ever law made the cops look for him in the first place ( identity theft ). So him laying down on the desert floor spread eagle was the end. Maybe had he made better choices from the very beginning and spread eagle when the cops showed up he wouldn't have got his just consequences.
Then you see no need for courts or trials? No need for police either then...heck we could all take the law into our own hands & life would be great...oh, they call that anarchy.
BTW...a policeman's 'peace' can't be disturbed.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | musikmaker - 2015-04-11 4:01 PM FLITASTIC - 2015-04-11 2:16 PM NJJ - 2015-04-11 12:18 PM EqualRanch - 2015-04-10 11:23 PM I will say 99% of the time I side with police officers, not only because my father has been in law enforcement for over 25 years and is now a Texas Ranger, but because this country needs some dang discipline.
You are breaking the law, if:
- You run from a police officer
- If you strike or attempt harm on a police officer
- Steal; take something that does NOT belong to you
What is so hard to understand about that?!
Then we have people defending criminals.... And people wonder why we have to lock our doors at night, lock all our trucks/trailers at barrel races and carry guns on us.... Who the h*ll is defending the criminal......Just because he is guilty of any of the offenses that you mentioned, does NOT give the "thug" cops (EIGHT of them) the right to kick the sh*t out of him.....He went to the ground (with a little help from the horse....lol) but was not "taken down" and immediately put his hands behind his back to be cuffed....he posed NO danger to anyone and the cops BROKE THE LAW when they gave him the "beat down". Had he been fighting the cops or had a weapon, etc....then it would be a whole other scenario!
I don't agree. I don't care if he spread eagle and gave up, fell off the horse etc he made a choice a long long time before that when he broke the law by running from police. Then he made a choice to steal the motor cycle. Then he made a choice to steal the horse. It wasn't until he finally got cornered that he finally gave up by that time he had broken several laws not to mention what ever law made the cops look for him in the first place ( identity theft ). So him laying down on the desert floor spread eagle was the end. Maybe had he made better choices from the very beginning and spread eagle when the cops showed up he wouldn't have got his just consequences.
BTW...a policeman's 'peace' can't be disturbed.
I agree, MM.....who needs laws? who needs the LE....just go back to the "wild west".........just because they have a BADGE does NOT give them the right to beat down a guy that was NOT a threat............ |
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Location: So. California | FLITASTIC - 2015-04-11 1:16 PM NJJ - 2015-04-11 12:18 PM EqualRanch - 2015-04-10 11:23 PM I will say 99% of the time I side with police officers, not only because my father has been in law enforcement for over 25 years and is now a Texas Ranger, but because this country needs some dang discipline.
You are breaking the law, if:
- You run from a police officer
- If you strike or attempt harm on a police officer
- Steal; take something that does NOT belong to you
What is so hard to understand about that?!
Then we have people defending criminals.... And people wonder why we have to lock our doors at night, lock all our trucks/trailers at barrel races and carry guns on us.... Who the h*ll is defending the criminal......Just because he is guilty of any of the offenses that you mentioned, does NOT give the "thug" cops (EIGHT of them) the right to kick the sh*t out of him.....He went to the ground (with a little help from the horse....lol) but was not "taken down" and immediately put his hands behind his back to be cuffed....he posed NO danger to anyone and the cops BROKE THE LAW when they gave him the "beat down". Had he been fighting the cops or had a weapon, etc....then it would be a whole other scenario! I don't agree. I don't care if he spread eagle and gave up, fell off the horse etc he made a choice a long long time before that when he broke the law by running from police. Then he made a choice to steal the motor cycle. Then he made a choice to steal the horse. It wasn't until he finally got cornered that he finally gave up by that time he had broken several laws not to mention what ever law made the cops look for him in the first place ( identity theft ). So him laying down on the desert floor spread eagle was the end. Maybe had he made better choices from the very beginning and spread eagle when the cops showed up he wouldn't have got his just consequences. 
LEO were serving a search warrant related to an idenity theft case. He fled in a vehicle (don't know who owned the car) and then drove to the ranch, where he stole a horse and took off in the middle of the desert. The rest is on video.
He was booked on the following Charges: Evading peace officers (vc2800.2(A), theft of a horse (PC487A(A) and possession of stolen property (PC496). The arrest records are public so feel free to look them up, it was easy.
Whatever else you are hearing or reading on the news, may or may not be factual but he wasn't booked on any other charges.
LEO were out of line. They violated his civil rights and caused physical harm. Now the FBI is investigating the incident, as that particular law enforcement agency is already under investigation for excess of use of force. Hmm... what does that tell you about the video?
What do you think will happen to the criminal? This is what I think will happen... He'll plea bargin his charges down (excessive use of force), sue the county and walk away a millionaire after doing a year or 5 in jail. What a bonehead move by LEO....
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| I am headed outside to ride, but watch this link. It shows a different perspective on this incident. Leave it to CNN to edit on the side of the criminal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmIEqu9ihfs
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Location: So. California | Full of Beans - 2015-04-11 2:47 PM I am headed outside to ride, but watch this link. It shows a different perspective on this incident. Leave it to CNN to edit on the side of the criminal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmIEqu9ihfs
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Location: Red Raiderland | My husband is a former Dallas and Amarillo police officer and he watched the video last night and definitely agrees these cops went overboard. He said you can't lose your head no matter how frustrated a guy/gal makes you. He said there were only a few cops that he worked with that were overzealous but a huge percentage(99%) do what they are trained to do which is arrest, if necessary, and let the courts take it from there and they were usually back out on the streets to be arrested AGAIN but that is part of being a cop, it's usually a thankless job.
He was in MANY chases both in cars and on foot and your adrenaline does get going but no matter how wicked the people are you just can't lose your cool. He was working an off duty job at KMART and dirty, rotten murderer and rapist(yes, he was paroled) tried to steal a carton of cigs and my husband "tried" to stop him just out the door and the dude took off. The chase was on and when my husband caught him the guy tried to punch my husband out and steal his gun. They were both bloodied and people could not figure out what was going on as they thought it was two guys fighting because my hubby was in plain clothes. From the Kmart the guy was able to make it to I-40 where he got all the way across all four lanes and turned around and laughed at my husband and shot him the bird only to turn around up there with his hands high when cops were on the other side!  My husband tore his left should in the scuffle but it was just what goes with the territory. He had to have surgery but 20 years since it now gives him trouble.
Criminals run a lot and it is up to the office to chase or not but they mostly run knowing they won't be shot, except if your in S.C.
I hate criminals with a passion but cops need to make sure they follow the law and not make it personal. It is friggin scary to pull a car over no matter where it is. They have no idea who is in the vehicle! I'm so thankful for cops as I would not want to do this for a living. |
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| musikmaker - 2015-04-11 2:01 PM
FLITASTIC - 2015-04-11 2:16 PM NJJ - 2015-04-11 12:18 PM EqualRanch - 2015-04-10 11:23 PM I will say 99% of the time I side with police officers, not only because my father has been in law enforcement for over 25 years and is now a Texas Ranger, but because this country needs some dang discipline.Â
You are breaking the law, if:Â
- You run from a police officer
- If you strike or attempt harm on a police officer
- Steal; take something that does NOT belong to youÂ
What is so hard to understand about that?!Â
Then we have people defending criminals.... And people wonder why we have to lock our doors at night, lock all our trucks/trailers at barrel races and carry guns on us....  Who the h*ll is defending the criminal......Just because he is guilty of any of the offenses that you mentioned, does NOT give the "thug" cops (EIGHT of them) the right to kick the sh*t out of him.....He went to the ground (with a little help from the horse....lol) but was not "taken down" and immediately put his hands behind his back to be cuffed....he posed NO danger to anyone and the cops BROKE THE LAW when they gave him the "beat down". Had he been fighting the cops or had a weapon, etc....then it would be a whole other scenario!
 I don't agree. I don't care if he spread eagle and gave up, fell off the horse etc he made a choice a long long time before that when he broke the law by running from police. Then he made a choice to steal the motor cycle. Then he made a choice to steal the horse. It wasn't until he finally got cornered that he finally gave up by that time he had broken several laws not to mention what ever law made the cops look for him in the first place ( identity theft ). So him laying down on the desert floor spread eagle was the end. Maybe had he made better choices from the very beginning and spread eagle when the cops showed up he wouldn't have got his just consequences.
BTW...a policeman's 'peace' can't be disturbed.Â
Not at all. What I'm saying is, if you make choices that get you in trouble , MAN UP to the consequences! Get arrested and go get your free trial, free lawyer, and jury by your peers. If you make choices to run and involve the public and other people's property , be prepared to get whooped when you get caught ! |
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Location: Texas | FLITASTIC - 2015-04-11 6:26 PM musikmaker - 2015-04-11 2:01 PM FLITASTIC - 2015-04-11 2:16 PM NJJ - 2015-04-11 12:18 PM EqualRanch - 2015-04-10 11:23 PM I will say 99% of the time I side with police officers, not only because my father has been in law enforcement for over 25 years and is now a Texas Ranger, but because this country needs some dang discipline.
You are breaking the law, if:
- You run from a police officer
- If you strike or attempt harm on a police officer
- Steal; take something that does NOT belong to you
What is so hard to understand about that?!
Then we have people defending criminals.... And people wonder why we have to lock our doors at night, lock all our trucks/trailers at barrel races and carry guns on us.... Who the h*ll is defending the criminal......Just because he is guilty of any of the offenses that you mentioned, does NOT give the "thug" cops (EIGHT of them) the right to kick the sh*t out of him.....He went to the ground (with a little help from the horse....lol) but was not "taken down" and immediately put his hands behind his back to be cuffed....he posed NO danger to anyone and the cops BROKE THE LAW when they gave him the "beat down". Had he been fighting the cops or had a weapon, etc....then it would be a whole other scenario!
I don't agree. I don't care if he spread eagle and gave up, fell off the horse etc he made a choice a long long time before that when he broke the law by running from police. Then he made a choice to steal the motor cycle. Then he made a choice to steal the horse. It wasn't until he finally got cornered that he finally gave up by that time he had broken several laws not to mention what ever law made the cops look for him in the first place ( identity theft ). So him laying down on the desert floor spread eagle was the end. Maybe had he made better choices from the very beginning and spread eagle when the cops showed up he wouldn't have got his just consequences.
BTW...a policeman's 'peace' can't be disturbed.
Not at all. What I'm saying is, if you make choices that get you in trouble , MAN UP to the consequences! Get arrested and go get your free trial, free lawyer, and jury by your peers. If you make choices to run and involve the public and other people's property , be prepared to get whooped when you get caught !
If it is ok to do it to someone who "deserves" it, then where is the line drawn? If it is ok for one person to get beat down who is to say it wouldn't be ok for someone to be beat down that just was unlucky enough to get the cop that just spilled his drink in his lap and was mad.
I'm not defending the guy, but there have to be rules for the cops to follow or it will just completely get out of hand.
While I would be all for the "bad guys" getting a little extra jab for being idiots... I don't want law enforcement to have that kind of control. Who would be considered a "bad guy". I also had a cop in my family, and boy was he dirty. People like him are the reason I don't want cops to be able to have that much say so in who gets the beating for doing something wrong.
I do know what you are saying, and some what agree. Follow the laws or follow instructions when you break a law and you won't have any problems. I don't want the cop being able to decide he can beat the snot out of me because he thought the law I broke warranted a beat down. |
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