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Location: Soon to be outta here:) | Bear - 2015-07-12 10:01 AM
Bibliafarm - 2015-07-11 10:01 PM
https://youtu.be/Xq-Vst3pO9MÂ OK I pondered to post because I dont want to sound harsh so please dont take this wrong.. but get help ..
IN the video above of you at home...From the minute you stepped on she was in control (she walked off right away) and your body langauge is saying go.. the energy level in  these type horses.. their brain is on overdrive.. so its up to us as riders to calm and take it down a notch ... and yes I realize shes a barrel horse.. but they also need control and relaxation. its not all about the GO and the SPEED..I see you getting on and she walks off right away in a hyped up mode and you allow it.. I dont see any walking or suppling or flexing and getting her to relax.. these type horses need that and sometimes thats all these type horses need.. I dont think you have the tools yet to ride this horse properly without her blowing up at some point her brain..so a great trainer and the right one will help... I feel she should be evauluated and her feed program to. she and you have high nervous energy and the combo will end up a disaster for her and you... right now shes to much horse for you imho....and the video person in background just intensifies it..yelling ..sorry just my thoughts..mare needs calm reassurance and shes flying high in the videos.
I personally would not have paired you two up and not saying that in a bad way.. good luck I know your trying to do whats best so find a good trainer for you and her.please dont take this wrong its just how I see this from my perspective.
and this comment from your first post contradicts the videos.
..She's broke to death off barrels, I ride her in a snaffle, she works like a charm. She's off the track and the girl who bought her started her too fast too soon so I bought her quite a bit blown up. Anyone who has any sort of advice at all, please share. We do tons of slow work, rate every single time we get to a barrel Â
This is real sound, sensible advice. You have gotten a ton of good advice here. Take a step back and think about all the recommendations/observations people have made over and over again....then start fresh. I think this is a very talented mare you have. With a lot of help and a little luck you could end up having many successful years on her. You are both worth it.
Thank you! Yew we have gotten a lot of good advice. I already entered her in a big barrel race in a week, so if I can't find a replacement horse to run I will run her there, but after that she will be done running for the year. I am going to talk to a few people who are well known around here for lessons, both fro getting her as broke as possible and and look into attending a clinic on her later this year or next spring. I will just take time off barrels and go on trail rides, take her with to shows just to ride around but not exhibition or run, work cows on her, do everything that doesn't involve barrels haha.
I need to work on my riding, and on my horse. We are going to slow way down and completely start over. She really is a nice horse, I think she can be something. I'm really to take my time and wait on her to get her mind where it needs to be and get my riding more up to her level.
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| You need to decide on you priorities. She has gotten worse since you first posted this. One more barrel race could be just what you need to finish the horse off. Is an entry fee worth that? |
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| streakysox - 2015-07-12 1:22 PM You need to decide on you priorities. She has gotten worse since you first posted this. One more barrel race could be just what you need to finish the horse off. Is an entry fee worth that?
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Location: Florida.. | Â I admire that your asking for help or advice.I also think if you follow some and take a step back and really tune into her issues and listen you and her with the help and guidance of a professional could really do well . |
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| didn't watch all the vids, agree with all above encouraging you to seek local pro help but wanted to quickly add -
Rearing isn't always a big deal but make sure u can SIT a rear and spank one forward as soon as u can to get forward motion before they get too high and lose their balance, AND CHECK UR TACK because I was working on one very similar to yours for a girl since Feb. Three weeks ago she come up on me too fast for me to kick her forward, lost her balance fell on me and at the same time the off billet broke on the saddle catching my reins as it came off, drug her over top of me and now I am sitting here 8 weeks off with a titanium plate in my collarbone missing all my finals!
As for head setting. Have you tried schooling in draw reins? You will have to start back to basics as everyone has also said in posts above however if you have that headset and respect at the slower gaits you will have more control at the higher speeds because she can't evade you.
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Location: Florida.. | Â Draw reins with this combo would spell trouble I highly advise against that. ..a professional could work thru this and decide. The mare is wired . she will panic
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| I've read most of this. I was going to stay out of this, but here is my two cents. I HATE REARING HORSES. You cannot pay me to get on a stupid barrel horse. Any horse who will do that because you hold them back at the gate deserves to be dog food, IMHO. She didn't do it in the second run because you didn't hold her back.
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| FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-07-12 3:51 PM
I've read most of this. I was going to stay out of this, but here is my two cents. I HATE REARING HORSES. You cannot pay me to get on a stupid barrel horse. Any horse who will do that because you hold them back at the gate deserves to be dog food, IMHO. She didn't do it in the second run because you didn't hold her back.
Send her down the road. Take whatever you could get someone to give you for her. It's NOT worth it.
I was going to stay out of this too - I'm sorry you feel this way, but this is the exact reason I refuse to sell my mare. It sickens me to know that a few years ago, if she were to have been owned by someone else, she would be "dog food" right now. I have taken her on a complete 360, she was the rearing alley sour horse that everyone thought was going to kill me... now I have taken her places and helped OTHER alley sour horses in the gate.
NO horse is "too crazy" to fix. I absolutely guarantee that.
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| I am posting this video for a reason. Look at this nice filly as she works the barrels. This is a sale video because my trainer said get rid of her. My trainer is riding her and I am videoing. She is 4 years old and was on tack go to some futurities. WATCH THE VIDEO BEFORE YOU READ THE REST OF THE POST.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JubG-PdDtlU
She was started right. Looks good doesn't she? Working very nicely. She reared up with me and flipped. By the grace of God I was not hurt. I sent her to the killers because I knew she was going to hurt someone. Don't forget my trainer said get rid of her. I am smart enough to know when someone is trying to help me. Cut your losses before you get hurt. People are trying to tell help you here. |
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| streakysox - 2015-07-12 7:25 PM I am posting this video for a reason. Look at this nice filly as she works the barrels. This is a sale video because my trainer said get rid of her. My trainer is riding her and I am videoing. She is 4 years old and was on tack go to some futurities. WATCH THE VIDEO BEFORE YOU READ THE REST OF THE POST. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JubG-PdDtlU She was started right. Looks good doesn't she? Working very nicely. She reared up with me and flipped. By the grace of God I was not hurt. I sent her to the killers because I knew she was going to hurt someone. Don't forget my trainer said get rid of her. I am smart enough to know when someone is trying to help me. Cut your losses before you get hurt. People are trying to tell help you here.
What happened between the video of your trainer riding and then you riding and her rearing? Did she show signs WHILE your trainer had her or once you got her to start running her? Did you buy her and your trainer warn you before this video or after? It just seems a bit confusing and I don't mean to sound rude, I'd just like to understand.
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| achildres - 2015-07-12 7:01 PM
FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-07-12 3:51 PM
I've read most of this. I was going to stay out of this, but here is my two cents. I HATE REARING HORSES. You cannot pay me to get on a stupid barrel horse. Any horse who will do that because you hold them back at the gate deserves to be dog food, IMHO. She didn't do it in the second run because you didn't hold her back.
Send her down the road. Take whatever you could get someone to give you for her. It's NOT worth it.
I was going to stay out of this too - I'm sorry you feel this way, but this is the exact reason I refuse to sell my mare. It sickens me to know that a few years ago, if she were to have been owned by someone else, she would be "dog food" right now. I have taken her on a complete 360, she was the rearing alley sour horse that everyone thought was going to kill me... now I have taken her places and helped OTHER alley sour horses in the gate.
NO horse is "too crazy" to fix. I absolutely guarantee that.
LOL you want to ride my gelding some time and test your theory that NO horse is too crazy? Let see what other injuries he can add to his total of two broken backs, three broken arms, and two severe concussions that he has given to the other people who thought the same thing. I would let you work him on the pattern too, if you wanted, just let me go get three volunteers, a blind fold, and a set of hobbles to get him in the arena. Oh and the ride isn't done once you get him in there either, you better hold on tight on the way home, because every other stride will be a hard buck without even losing momentum.
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| First of all this is very bad advice to give to someone who is already having problems that they cannot seem to fix themselves. Yes, they may be fixable but some are not worth it. Like the horse above that has just about killed everybody--he is truly not worth the effort to fix. The horse that I posted the video above had never been mistreated or ridden improperly. I kept the story short but all I did was pick up on the reins to get her to back up. Over she went. I gave her to my farrier to send to the killers and he seemed to think she was able to be salvaged. I told him to ask the guy who broke her, my trainer, and another guy. They all said put her on the truck and get rid of her. Could she have been fixed? Maybe. Was she worth trying? No. |
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Location: Soon to be outta here:) | I am not sending this mare to the kill pen, thank you for that input, however, that will not be happening.
I ride this mare daily in a snaffle and split reins and she works amazing. I took her on a three day trail ride though pastures and across creeks and through mud and she didn't blink an eye. Went exactly where I put her, when I asked, at a flat footed walk. She is not by any means crazy. Yes she can be hot, but I can lope the mare around an arena with no fence bareback and she works like an angel. She has never offered a buck or a rear any other time than when we were going in the gate that one time.
If this mare doesn't make a barrel horse for any reason I have a nice pasture where she will live and give me very nice babies and live a happy life as a trail horse and a broodmare.
She is not going to the kill pen.
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| LDH - 2015-07-13 12:44 AM
I am not sending this mare to the kill pen, thank you for that input, however, that will not be happening.
I ride this mare daily in a snaffle and split reins and she works amazing. I took her on a three day trail ride though pastures and across creeks and through mud and she didn't blink an eye. Went exactly where I put her, when I asked, at a flat footed walk. She is not by any means crazy. Yes she can be hot, but I can lope the mare around an arena with no fence bareback and she works like an angel. She has never offered a buck or a rear any other time than when we were going in the gate that one time.
If this mare doesn't make a barrel horse for any reason I have a nice pasture where she will live and give me very nice babies and live a happy life as a trail horse and a broodmare.
She is not going to the kill pen.
Go back and look at my video. See how nice this filly works? She never offered to do anything. My trainer said get rid of her beçause she knew what was coming. I have had horses that actually were MY horses for 60 years. In that time I have sold about six. My horses all have jobs and work. They don't work, they get rehomed. As you can see they must work pretty well because there is not much turn over here. I am not going to get hurt on a horse, but I learned a long time ago that most of my friends have given me advice to help me and I have listened. My trainer knew this horse was volatile. I am just glad that she did not get hurt and neither did I. |
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Location: Florida.. | Personally I think with a professional and guidence and nutrition changes possibly this mare wouldnt be crazy.. she reared once going in and yes I know its all it takes but not being around her daily and even knowing her personality im not sure why others feel kill pen? you all dont know the mare.. the owner does BUT please get professional help for the barrels and arena work then.. DONT try to fix this yourself or the mare will blow up and it may end up a major disastor. after a Professional evaluates her and works her then decide what to do. give her a chance .I think its bad combo right now. Id not take her to barrels or work her on them .. Id get her to a professional then decide if shes worth it .. the professional will know if you and her will be compatable after training.. if not send her to someone that can handle her.. it may not be her mental state it may be her training, nutrition and lack of guidence.
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| I'm not a trainer or a professional but I think that professional help would be my first go to as long as you don't suspect any pain issues. I know it can be expensive and stinks but I think with the right help you can get through this with her and she'd be great. If she continues to act out then I'd either sell her or just give her a different job but I think that she looks awesome if those problems can be fixed. If it becomes a regular problem though, call me a wimp, but I would have to find her a different home. I know you care and are doing what you can so good luck, prayers for you all!! |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Bibliafarm - 2015-07-13 6:43 AM Personally I think with a professional and guidence and nutrition changes possibly this mare wouldnt be crazy.. she reared once going in and yes I know its all it takes but not being around her daily and even knowing her personality im not sure why others feel kill pen? you all dont know the mare.. the owner does BUT please get professional help for the barrels and arena work then.. DONT try to fix this yourself or the mare will blow up and it may end up a major disastor. after a Professional evaluates her and works her then decide what to do. give her a chance .I think its bad combo right now. Id not take her to barrels or work her on them .. Id get her to a professional then decide if shes worth it .. the professional will know if you and her will be compatable after training.. if not send her to someone that can handle her.. it may not be her mental state it may be her training, nutrition and lack of guidence. I agree....and the OP coming back time after time in this thread making EXCUSES will never solve the problem.......The combination of THIS rider and THIS horse is a volatile situation.....JMO
eta: This is NOT going to be a two week "cure".....this horse AND rider needs lots of SLOW.....SLOW.....SLOW work or the horse needs another JOB!
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| This is a very nice mare and I commend you on your humble, willing, and dedicated attitude. You will go far whether with this horse or another horse just because of your desire to learn. We ALL can work on ourselves-we will never quit learning, even the best of the best have weaknesses.
I rode a horse many years ago that could have been this horses twin! Anyhow, I ended up sending him to a well known trainer and let them promote him and sold him. Bought a horse that fit my style-it worked out better for me.
Not saying you have to do this at all! But maybe if you see someone else ride your horse and do well-you can begin to gain some confidence. Have you talked with Amanda Nash? I know there are a ton of good riders in Minnesota.
But Amanda can ride-and has won on a ton of different horses. Just a thought. Jill Houck is great too! Riley Hanson out of Iowa has been a great jockey on several horses.
But I also recommend a natural horsemanship trainer-Ken McNab? Ray Hunt has some great insight. These trainers can help you get a handle on your foundation! Which is where it all starts anyhow! These gentlemen will bring anyone's understanding of soft, supple, and in control to a drastically new standard. A large portion of the performance world doesn't know what it truly means to have control of a horses body.
Good luck to you! Keep your chin up!
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| streakysox - 2015-07-13 2:33 AM
LDH - 2015-07-13 12:44 AM
I am not sending this mare to the kill pen, thank you for that input, however, that will not be happening.
I ride this mare daily in a snaffle and split reins and she works amazing. I took her on a three day trail ride though pastures and across creeks and through mud and she didn't blink an eye. Went exactly where I put her, when I asked, at a flat footed walk. She is not by any means crazy. Yes she can be hot, but I can lope the mare around an arena with no fence bareback and she works like an angel. She has never offered a buck or a rear any other time than when we were going in the gate that one time.
If this mare doesn't make a barrel horse for any reason I have a nice pasture where she will live and give me very nice babies and live a happy life as a trail horse and a broodmare.
She is not going to the kill pen.
Go back and look at my video. See how nice this filly works? She never offered to do anything. My trainer said get rid of her beçause she knew what was coming. I have had horses that actually were MY horses for 60 years. In that time I have sold about six. My horses all have jobs and work. They don't work, they get rehomed. As you can see they must work pretty well because there is not much turn over here. I am not going to get hurt on a horse, but I learned a long time ago that most of my friends have given me advice to help me and I have listened. My trainer knew this horse was volatile. I am just glad that she did not get hurt and neither did I.
Even if you send a horse to kill-so many people these days are rescuing horses from kill pens-and are selling as riding horses. If your intention is to have the horse destroyed-than why not euthanize yourself? Just a thought. |
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