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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | rachellyn80 - 2015-07-23 12:00 PM TurnLane - 2015-07-23 11:35 AM SG. - 2015-07-22 1:24 PM TurnLane - 2015-07-20 12:13 PM barrelracr131 - 2015-07-20 11:44 AM Try to find a local mill that mixes feed, but does not mix any medicated feed on the premises.
This is what my boarding stable does. Very cost effective and my horse is far from skinny. Lol This is where it gets confusing, even if they do not mix medicated feeds- it does not mean they dont bring in product to add to their mix that is from a medicated facility- nor does it mean they test their corn. So molasses being the number one suspect ingredient brought in to facilities that otherwise would be med free. Premixes and minerals being second.
Ultimately everyone is trying to do what they think is right by their horses and make healthy choices.
The blanket statement of BB doesnt use molasses is what I was correcting, thus underlined. BB does use liquid molasses but I wasnt aware of which product she uses. But then again, the dried molasses used in most commercial facilities is from a medicated plant but I did not comfirm that particular brand used by BB- I did however confirm where their liquid blend comes from so for SG to say she knows they dont use liquid molassses is simply untrue.
There are now too many quotes for me to figure out what else she is taking a tone with me about but for SG to imply I do not take this issue seriously is quite frankly, insulting.  |
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Location: Here | With a meeting today with Jyme of blue bonnet I asked the molasses question. The Intensify line uses the dried cane molasses. The liquid molasses they use in other lines is from a specific supplier and is guaranteed iononphore free. No insult intended turnlane. Just trying to make sure waters aren't muddy by misleading information. She said anyone that had questions to feel free to contact here |
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Location: Here | TurnLane - 2015-07-23 3:25 PM
rachellyn80 - 2015-07-23 12:00 PM TurnLane - 2015-07-23 11:35 AM SG. - 2015-07-22 1:24 PM TurnLane - 2015-07-20 12:13 PM barrelracr131 - 2015-07-20 11:44 AM Try to find a local mill that mixes feed, but does not mix any medicated feed on the premises.
This is what my boarding stable does. Very cost effective and my horse is far from skinny. Lol This is where it gets confusing, even if they do not mix medicated feeds- it does not mean they dont bring in product to add to their mix that is from a medicated facility- nor does it mean they test their corn. So molasses being the number one suspect ingredient brought in to facilities that otherwise would be med free.  Premixes and minerals being second.
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Ultimately everyone is trying to do what they think is right by their horses and make healthy choices.Â
There are now too many quotes for me to figure out what else she is taking a tone with me about but for SG to imply I do not take this issue seriously is quite frankly, insulting. Â
To imply bluebonnet is using molasses from a medicated feed is simply false and assuming. Jyme said this is false information. They are extremely careful with their inputs and where they come from. Thanks Rach for clarifying the beet bull deal. That is exactly what I meant. |
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Location: Here | SG. - 2015-07-22 1:24 PM
TurnLane - 2015-07-20 12:13 PM barrelracr131 - 2015-07-20 11:44 AM Try to find a local mill that mixes feed, but does not mix any medicated feed on the premises.
This is what my boarding stable does. Very cost effective and my horse is far from skinny. Lol This is where it gets confusing, even if they do not mix medicated feeds- it does not mean they dont bring in product to add to their mix that is from a medicated facility- nor does it mean they test their corn. So molasses being the number one suspect ingredient brought in to facilities that otherwise would be med free.  Premixes and minerals being second.
I should have said the bb intensify I apologize for any confusing |
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Location: Here | TurnLane - 2015-07-23 11:12 AM SG. - 2015-07-23 10:19 AM TurnLane - 2015-07-23 9:21 AM SG. - 2015-07-22 1:24 PM TurnLane - 2015-07-20 12:13 PM barrelracr131 - 2015-07-20 11:44 AM Try to find a local mill that mixes feed, but does not mix any medicated feed on the premises.
This is what my boarding stable does. Very cost effective and my horse is far from skinny. Lol This is where it gets confusing, even if they do not mix medicated feeds- it does not mean they dont bring in product to add to their mix that is from a medicated facility- nor does it mean they test their corn. So molasses being the number one suspect ingredient brought in to facilities that otherwise would be med free. Premixes and minerals being second.
Sorry not trying to
But facts... not well she said she said. This issue is too important
I am at least glad you say you are not trying to be (insert emoticons of your choice- because Lord dont let me assume!)..... but I also know the VP of the liquid feed company that sells to them. Liquid feed sells MOER MEDICATED TONS of feed nationally than any feed mill. Feed is what I do. You may need to ask Rachel or Liana DeWeese my level of seriousness on this subject. I can assure you- it is much more important to me than you couuld ever assume.
Unless your vp friend is willing to call bb out and say their claims and input guarantee is false. I won't buy it. Still here say. You don't know for a fact they sell to bb in the horse feed mill. They do have other mills.
I too am very passionate about not feeding posion to my animals. That is why I had a meeting today with them and addressed your specific claim about the molasses. |
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| rachellyn80 - 2015-07-20 10:46 AM 98%.... I think it needs to be clarified that most cases of Ionophore toxicity would not be recognized, acknowledged, or even investigated. That's been the entire point of the conversations over the past 7 months. When you muddy the water with random numbers it serves no purpose other than to cause doubt in the minds of those who don't take the time to eductate themselves anyway. Ultimately no, we will not find a feed that is 100% perfect...but, I have to ask. When the person that you mentioned tried BB feeds, what were they feeding before that caused them to switch? What was the horse's digestive health during this time? I only mention this because I truly did not see the big changes in my horses condition until we added the digestive supplement to help them process the nutrients that we were giving them. Prior to that, we could have fed them anything we wanted and never would have truly seen them rebound.
Ionophores are not our only problem...anything that is mixed at a feed mill can end up in your feed.
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Location: Arkansas | Bibliafarm - 2015-07-23 2:08 PM
Chandler's Mom - 2015-07-23 1:10 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-07-20 10:46 AM 98%.... I think it needs to be clarified that most cases of Ionophore toxicity would not be recognized, acknowledged, or even investigated.  That's been the entire point of the conversations over the past 7 months.  When you muddy the water with random numbers it serves no purpose other than to cause doubt in the minds of those who don't take the time to eductate themselves anyway.  Ultimately no, we will not find a feed that is 100% perfect...but, I have to ask.  When the person that you mentioned tried BB feeds, what were they feeding before that caused them to switch?  What was the horse's digestive health during this time?  I only mention this because I truly did not see the big changes in my horses condition until we added the digestive  supplement to help them process the nutrients that we were giving them.  Prior to that, we could have fed them anything we wanted and never would have truly seen them rebound.
Ionophores are not our only problem...anything that is mixed at a feed mill can end up in your feed. Â Â Kinda off thread but didn't want to go back thru the older threads! Does anyone know of a feed store in the Jackson MS area that sells Purina that is from ionophore free plant? We'll need feed when we get back from barrel run and our store is completely different direction. Thanks if anyone can help me out.
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Location: Arkansas | westrnridr - 2015-07-23 2:53 PM
Highpoint Performance Horses fed Purina feed from 1992-2000 prior to moving to Texas. When we moved to Texas we fed Purina feed from 2000-2005 prior to ever being sponsored by Purina. We fed a lot of our older horses the equine Sr. and had great results.
Purina is the industry leader in research of their products. We as embassadors go to the Purina research facility even year to educate ourselves on developing new products and understanding the products that are out there. There research facility is huge! State of the art and open to the public. Anyone can set up an appointment to see this facility. I promise you when you leave there you will have a new understanding on feed. The years of research that goes into each new product is impressive. They will show you that research! They will show you the animals used in that research and they will show you the trials that they are doing at that time.
IONOPHORES are antibiotic agents that are beneficial ingredients in cattle feed but can be deadly to the horse even in very small amounts. An iodophors free manufacturing system is not the same as an ionophore safe manufacturing system. "FREE" means ionophores are not used in any feeds that may be manufactured in that system. Therefore some cattle feeds may be run on a "FREE" system but the formula does not contain ionophores. "SAFE" only means some cattle feeds that "DO" contain ionophores in the formula will be run on that system, however, a series of "flushing" is emplemented. When cattle feeds containing ionophores are run on a system at least one batch of non- ionophore containing cattle feed is run through the system in order to flush any remaining ionophore from the system before any horse feed is run through the system. Regardless of the flushing procedure there is always the risk of ionophore contamination of horse feed manufactured on a "safe" system. Horse feed should be manufactured on a ionophores "FREE" manufacturing system.
PURINA MILLS HORSE FEEDS ARE "ONLY" MANUFACTURED ON AN IONOPHORE "FREE" MANUFACTURING SYSTEM.
I was shocked to learn how many other feed companies do not use the "FREE" system. Most small and local mills are NOT!
Just to be SURE I understand-----ALL Purina feed mills are FREE????? |
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Location: Here | okkritter - 2015-07-24 12:18 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-07-20 10:46 AM 98%.... I think it needs to be clarified that most cases of Ionophore toxicity would not be recognized, acknowledged, or even investigated. That's been the entire point of the conversations over the past 7 months. When you muddy the water with random numbers it serves no purpose other than to cause doubt in the minds of those who don't take the time to eductate themselves anyway. Ultimately no, we will not find a feed that is 100% perfect...but, I have to ask. When the person that you mentioned tried BB feeds, what were they feeding before that caused them to switch? What was the horse's digestive health during this time? I only mention this because I truly did not see the big changes in my horses condition until we added the digestive supplement to help them process the nutrients that we were giving them. Prior to that, we could have fed them anything we wanted and never would have truly seen them rebound.
Ionophores are not our only problem...anything that is mixed at a feed mill can end up in your feed. Was wondering which digestive supplement you are using?
Transform dsi. I am feeding it as well along with the element mineral |
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Location: Here | TurnLane - 2015-07-23 11:12 AM SG. - 2015-07-23 10:19 AM TurnLane - 2015-07-23 9:21 AM . Feed is what I do. You may need to ask Rachel or Liana DeWeese my level of seriousness on this subject. I can assure you- it is much more important to me than you couuld ever assume. Â
 Yes I am aware that feed is important to you.  So I will ask you this, is the mill you work at that mixes and sells horse feed, iononphore free?  Several sources tell me it isn't.  Is this your motive to muddy the water to cover your employer? If feed is what you do why are feeding Danco now Edited by SG. 2015-07-24 7:13 AM
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Location: Florida.. | Chandler's Mom - 2015-07-24 1:40 AM westrnridr - 2015-07-23 2:53 PM Highpoint Performance Horses fed Purina feed from 1992-2000 prior to moving to Texas. When we moved to Texas we fed Purina feed from 2000-2005 prior to ever being sponsored by Purina. We fed a lot of our older horses the equine Sr. and had great results. Purina is the industry leader in research of their products. We as embassadors go to the Purina research facility even year to educate ourselves on developing new products and understanding the products that are out there. There research facility is huge! State of the art and open to the public. Anyone can set up an appointment to see this facility. I promise you when you leave there you will have a new understanding on feed. The years of research that goes into each new product is impressive. They will show you that research! They will show you the animals used in that research and they will show you the trials that they are doing at that time. IONOPHORES are antibiotic agents that are beneficial ingredients in cattle feed but can be deadly to the horse even in very small amounts. An iodophors free manufacturing system is not the same as an ionophore safe manufacturing system. "FREE" means ionophores are not used in any feeds that may be manufactured in that system. Therefore some cattle feeds may be run on a "FREE" system but the formula does not contain ionophores. "SAFE" only means some cattle feeds that "DO" contain ionophores in the formula will be run on that system, however, a series of "flushing" is emplemented. When cattle feeds containing ionophores are run on a system at least one batch of non- ionophore containing cattle feed is run through the system in order to flush any remaining ionophore from the system before any horse feed is run through the system. Regardless of the flushing procedure there is always the risk of ionophore contamination of horse feed manufactured on a "safe" system. Horse feed should be manufactured on a ionophores "FREE" manufacturing system. PURINA MILLS HORSE FEEDS ARE "ONLY" MANUFACTURED ON AN IONOPHORE "FREE" MANUFACTURING SYSTEM. I was shocked to learn how many other feed companies do not use the "FREE" system. Most small and local mills are NOT! Just to be SURE I understand-----ALL Purina feed mills are FREE?????
There is a LIST on a thread and Purina is Listed .. as one of the companies guarenteeing all mills are free .. the horse grain is mixed in seperate facilities.. |
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| Â I read these ionophore threads with great interest after knowing about 10 people that have had to go through ionophore intoxication. On every single one of them, TurnLane shows up and throws things out that seem to be confusing people and making them question the validity of this subject. My biggest question is WHY? I understand asking and raising questions. But I would like to know why the misdirection. I am certain TurnLane has something to do with feed milling since she knows procedures and protocols that the normal person doesn't. If I'm off base, then I offer my sincerest apologies. But something strikes me as being more here than meets the eye. |
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Location: Here | TurnLane - 2015-07-23 11:35 AM SG. - 2015-07-22 1:24 PM TurnLane - 2015-07-20 12:13 PM barrelracr131 - 2015-07-20 11:44 AM Try to find a local mill that mixes feed, but does not mix any medicated feed on the premises.
This is what my boarding stable does. Very cost effective and my horse is far from skinny. Lol This is where it gets confusing, even if they do not mix medicated feeds- it does not mean they dont bring in product to add to their mix that is from a medicated facility- nor does it mean they test their corn. So molasses being the number one suspect ingredient brought in to facilities that otherwise would be med free. Premixes and minerals being second.
Just to unmuddy the waters there are 2 main types of molasses
1) Sugar cane molasses
2) Sugar beet molasses
There are also some other smaller types as well made from carob, grapes, dates, pomegranatates and mulberries
Blue bonnet specifies they use cane molasses so therefore it is not a blend. And where does the 70% figure come from?
Just because you know someone at a molasses facility does not mean you know exactly what bluebonnet is doing. It simply means you know what the mill you work for is doing
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Are you the same Kim L that works for Mid America?
Only reason I ask is I was trying to determine where you knowledge base on this subject was deriving from.
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | SG. - 2015-07-24 7:07 AM TurnLane - 2015-07-23 11:12 AM SG. - 2015-07-23 10:19 AM TurnLane - 2015-07-23 9:21 AM . Feed is what I do. You may need to ask Rachel or Liana DeWeese my level of seriousness on this subject. I can assure you- it is much more important to me than you couuld ever assume. Yes I am aware that feed is important to you. So I will ask you this, is the mill you work at that mixes and sells horse feed, iononphore free? Several sources tell me it isn't. Is this your motive to muddy the water to cover your employer? If feed is what you do why are feeding Danco now
I am not trying to muddy the waters at all- I am not sure why you think that but I am trying to make sure that people know enough to be educated from my experience which are valid. That is afterall why they started this thread.
So back to the original thing you corrected me on, you said molasses was not made from beets- and it is- thanks for confirming that you know this to be true. You also said BB didnt use liquid molasses but they do- I only stated what their own label says.
Now if they use a blend, I dont know. Molasses on a label is not technical data (like chicken by produuct in pet food it is a broad based term) but they do at least source it as cane molasses. Which is great. I have said all along, BB is a great company with a great product.
But they buy from a liquid feed company per their distributor asking where BB's came from and knowing the company from dealing with them weekly, if we are giving facts- sharing knowledge-and the knowledge you all have so expertly given- you state that the ONLY SAFE FEED is from an ionophore free facility. I believe that myself. And that is unlikely when you bring in molasses from a company that sells tons of medicated liquid feed. Even though they do have protocals in place for cleaning and transporting the molasses. I am going off of what your original thread stated. You said we cant trust humans to not make a mistake. I dont know how adding a piece to the puzzle is muddying the waters. I am trying to help educate. I have no other motive.
We feed Omni as a source of alfalfa hay since I dont trust most hay to be safe in our area. And we are very happy with them.
Sorry to pop on & off?? I have done that for years as I have tiime. As you can see, my keys are sticking, letters doubling, internet crappy and sometimes not worth waiting 10 min to type a response with all those issues while at work. |
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Location: Arkansas | Bibliafarm - 2015-07-24 7:12 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2015-07-24 1:40 AM westrnridr - 2015-07-23 2:53 PM Highpoint Performance Horses fed Purina feed from 1992-2000 prior to moving to Texas. When we moved to Texas we fed Purina feed from 2000-2005 prior to ever being sponsored by Purina. We fed a lot of our older horses the equine Sr. and had great results. Purina is the industry leader in research of their products. We as embassadors go to the Purina research facility even year to educate ourselves on developing new products and understanding the products that are out there. There research facility is huge! State of the art and open to the public. Anyone can set up an appointment to see this facility. I promise you when you leave there you will have a new understanding on feed. The years of research that goes into each new product is impressive. They will show you that research! They will show you the animals used in that research and they will show you the trials that they are doing at that time. IONOPHORES are antibiotic agents that are beneficial ingredients in cattle feed but can be deadly to the horse even in very small amounts. An iodophors free manufacturing system is not the same as an ionophore safe manufacturing system. "FREE" means ionophores are not used in any feeds that may be manufactured in that system. Therefore some cattle feeds may be run on a "FREE" system but the formula does not contain ionophores. "SAFE" only means some cattle feeds that "DO" contain ionophores in the formula will be run on that system, however, a series of "flushing" is emplemented. When cattle feeds containing ionophores are run on a system at least one batch of non- ionophore containing cattle feed is run through the system in order to flush any remaining ionophore from the system before any horse feed is run through the system. Regardless of the flushing procedure there is always the risk of ionophore contamination of horse feed manufactured on a "safe" system. Horse feed should be manufactured on a ionophores "FREE" manufacturing system. PURINA MILLS HORSE FEEDS ARE "ONLY" MANUFACTURED ON AN IONOPHORE "FREE" MANUFACTURING SYSTEM. I was shocked to learn how many other feed companies do not use the "FREE" system. Most small and local mills are NOT! Just to be SURE I understand-----ALL Purina feed mills are FREE?????
That's what I thought I remembered from one thread, so thanks again for your help. |
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Location: Here | Maybe taking out the quotes will help some turnlane.
I specially asked Jyme about the source of molasses on the horse feeds and she said it was from an ionophore free source. She said That is was a small facility that specialized in this type of molasses. The Intensify come from dried cane not liquid. So I am not sure what your friend is selling to Bluebonnet but this is what bluebonnet told me specifically. |
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Location: Here | I also did not ask for the name of the place they got their ionophore free molasses as I. feel that is their propietary information. Again just because your friend claims to sell them molasses, Doesnt mean that actually happens. This is where I feel you might be mudding the waters so to speak. I just know that people claim all sorts of things (not you) but suppliers to make things look differently. You would be amazed at the people who claim to know my trade secrets and they are the furtherest from what is actually happening. So. i do take the he said she said personally. 
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Location: never in the right place | I am sticking to Purina feed even though I don't really like it only because I know it is Ionophore freee. I am currently feeding Omelene 100 as I am not barrel racing right now. What Purina feed would be best? I really don't like feeding molasses. My horse is not very picky, will eat pellets or sweet feed. I can get Triple Crown, Purina, Nutrena, Blue Seal.
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