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| komet. - 2015-07-30 7:20 PM
Bear - 2015-07-30 7:10 PM
komet. - 2015-07-30 7:05 PM
Bear - 2015-07-30 6:32 PM
komet. - 2015-07-30 6:27 PM
Delta Cowgirl - 2015-07-30 6:17 PM
Since the lion was not killed on US soil, what US laws can be applied? If he brought the remains to the US does that open the door for US law?
I am sad so many are so upset about the lion's death yet not as upset about the horrid actions by Planned Parenthood selling fetus parts and pieces. That reeks to me of the holocaust when Nazis were experimenting on live humans and using body parts for experiments.... very disturbing.
I'm sorry... Can you point me toward proof that money changed hands except for this edited video?. Got receipts? Proof of money transfers? ANYTHING??? I promise the feds want to see it.
Irrelevant, as far as I'm concerned.
I've noticed how much you like to ignore facts that don't align themselves with your point of view... Thus they become irrelevant.
How is my calling your statement irrelevant considered "ignoring the facts"?
Care to explain? What "facts" am I ignoring?
Sorry... I misspoke... I should have called it "lack of facts"... since all we have is an edited video from an anti-abortion group.. I'll say it ONE more time... If they felt the need to edited that video.. there has to be something they don't want us to hear...
The unedited videos are posted on their site. They have over 300 hours of tape and nine more videos to release. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Bear - 2015-07-30 7:21 PM
Bear - 2015-07-30 7:10 PM
komet. - 2015-07-30 7:05 PM
Bear - 2015-07-30 6:32 PM
komet. - 2015-07-30 6:27 PM
Delta Cowgirl - 2015-07-30 6:17 PM
Since the lion was not killed on US soil, what US laws can be applied? If he brought the remains to the US does that open the door for US law?
I am sad so many are so upset about the lion's death yet not as upset about the horrid actions by Planned Parenthood selling fetus parts and pieces. That reeks to me of the holocaust when Nazis were experimenting on live humans and using body parts for experiments.... very disturbing.
I'm sorry... Can you point me toward proof that money changed hands except for this edited video?. Got receipts? Proof of money transfers? ANYTHING??? I promise the feds want to see it.
Irrelevant, as far as I'm concerned.
I've noticed how much you like to ignore facts that don't align themselves with your point of view... Thus they become irrelevant.
How is my calling your statement irrelevant considered "ignoring the facts"?
Care to explain? What "facts" am I ignoring?
Still waiting for your answer, Huey.
This needs to go to it's own thread... Feel free to start it... I'll be happy to add my thought...as soon as I can connect to a power source... My battery and patience both grow low..
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Location: SE Louisiana | jbhoot - 2015-07-30 7:32 PM
komet. - 2015-07-30 7:20 PM
Bear - 2015-07-30 7:10 PM
komet. - 2015-07-30 7:05 PM
Bear - 2015-07-30 6:32 PM
komet. - 2015-07-30 6:27 PM
Delta Cowgirl - 2015-07-30 6:17 PM
Since the lion was not killed on US soil, what US laws can be applied? If he brought the remains to the US does that open the door for US law?
I am sad so many are so upset about the lion's death yet not as upset about the horrid actions by Planned Parenthood selling fetus parts and pieces. That reeks to me of the holocaust when Nazis were experimenting on live humans and using body parts for experiments.... very disturbing.
I'm sorry... Can you point me toward proof that money changed hands except for this edited video?. Got receipts? Proof of money transfers? ANYTHING??? I promise the feds want to see it.
Irrelevant, as far as I'm concerned.
I've noticed how much you like to ignore facts that don't align themselves with your point of view... Thus they become irrelevant.
How is my calling your statement irrelevant considered "ignoring the facts"?
Care to explain? What "facts" am I ignoring?
Sorry... I misspoke... I should have called it "lack of facts"... since all we have is an edited video from an anti-abortion group.. I'll say it ONE more time... If they felt the need to edited that video.. there has to be something they don't want us to hear...
The unedited videos are posted on their site. They have over 300 hours of tape and nine more videos to release.
Maybe you should go back and read it again.... By their own admission, it is "less edited".. not unedited... |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | komet. - 2015-07-30 7:32 PM
Bear - 2015-07-30 7:21 PM
Bear - 2015-07-30 7:10 PM
komet. - 2015-07-30 7:05 PM
Bear - 2015-07-30 6:32 PM
komet. - 2015-07-30 6:27 PM
Delta Cowgirl - 2015-07-30 6:17 PM
Since the lion was not killed on US soil, what US laws can be applied? If he brought the remains to the US does that open the door for US law?
I am sad so many are so upset about the lion's death yet not as upset about the horrid actions by Planned Parenthood selling fetus parts and pieces. That reeks to me of the holocaust when Nazis were experimenting on live humans and using body parts for experiments.... very disturbing.
I'm sorry... Can you point me toward proof that money changed hands except for this edited video?. Got receipts? Proof of money transfers? ANYTHING??? I promise the feds want to see it.
Irrelevant, as far as I'm concerned.
I've noticed how much you like to ignore facts that don't align themselves with your point of view... Thus they become irrelevant.
How is my calling your statement irrelevant considered "ignoring the facts"?
Care to explain? What "facts" am I ignoring?
Still waiting for your answer, Huey.
This needs to go to it's own thread... Feel free to start it... I'll be happy to add my thought...as soon as I can connect to a power source... My battery and patience both grow low..
That we can agree on.....your battery is running low. Go take a nap. |
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Location: Sanderson, TX | RidenFly - 2015-07-30 1:47 PM As a hunter, I'm pretty sure this Dentist used a scope on his rifle, and I'm pretty sure in his scope he'd be able to see the collar. Now, wouldn't you think that if you saw a collar on an animal you'd think twice before pulling the trigger? What he did was disgusting. HOWEVER, calling for his life...all these B.S. memes about how we need to go Dentist hunting is equally if not more so wrong. How can we know that in one of our rants that we don't inspire some whack job to actually do something unthinkable to the dentist?
Plus trophy hunting pays for so much of the conservation in Africa. You can't end that. You cant.
Maybe this was pointed out previously, but he used a bow. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Bear - 2015-07-30 7:39 PM komet. - 2015-07-30 7:32 PM Bear - 2015-07-30 7:21 PM Bear - 2015-07-30 7:10 PM komet. - 2015-07-30 7:05 PM Bear - 2015-07-30 6:32 PM komet. - 2015-07-30 6:27 PM Delta Cowgirl - 2015-07-30 6:17 PM Since the lion was not killed on US soil, what US laws can be applied? If he brought the remains to the US does that open the door for US law? I am sad so many are so upset about the lion's death yet not as upset about the horrid actions by Planned Parenthood selling fetus parts and pieces. That reeks to me of the holocaust when Nazis were experimenting on live humans and using body parts for experiments.... very disturbing. I'm sorry... Can you point me toward proof that money changed hands except for this edited video?. Got receipts? Proof of money transfers? ANYTHING??? I promise the feds want to see it. Irrelevant, as far as I'm concerned. I've noticed how much you like to ignore facts that don't align themselves with your point of view... Thus they become irrelevant. How is my calling your statement irrelevant considered "ignoring the facts"? Care to explain? What "facts" am I ignoring? Still waiting for your answer, Huey. This needs to go to it's own thread... Feel free to start it... I'll be happy to add my thought...as soon as I can connect to a power source... My battery and patience both grow low.. That we can agree on..... your battery is running low. Go take a nap.
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| Since we've derailed this conversation many times...let me do my part.
My daughter just brought her new boyfriend over. He shakes my hand and tells me he volunteers for Bernie Sanders. Guess who's commin to dinner just got real. She's in deep doo with me. LOL
Oh and Lion.
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| Mind Bender - 2015-07-31 7:10 PM RidenFly - 2015-07-30 1:47 PM As a hunter, I'm pretty sure this Dentist used a scope on his rifle, and I'm pretty sure in his scope he'd be able to see the collar. Now, wouldn't you think that if you saw a collar on an animal you'd think twice before pulling the trigger? What he did was disgusting. HOWEVER, calling for his life...all these B.S. memes about how we need to go Dentist hunting is equally if not more so wrong. How can we know that in one of our rants that we don't inspire some whack job to actually do something unthinkable to the dentist?
Plus trophy hunting pays for so much of the conservation in Africa. You can't end that. You cant. Maybe this was pointed out previously, but he used a bow.
He used a bow and probably binoculars and then he used a truck...the guy should have used some common sense. |
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| Bear - 2015-07-30 6:12 PM The unlawful killing of any animal in no way can be compared to the tragedy we permit in this society, and, in fact, subsidize it.
this really says it all. Good night Irene. |
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Location: Arkansas | rodeomom3 - 2015-07-30 9:21 AM
 The guides have been arrested and are out on bail.  We may never know if the dentist knew but I tend to think for 50k you scout and pick the lion you want.  Also the fact that they tried to destroy his GPS collar instead of going to the authorities "when he discovered it had a collar" is a guilty act. It could have just been a reaction or it could be he didn't care, he got his trophy.
When you're bow hunting you're close enough to see a collar when you let that arrow go. "Discovered" he had a GPS collar my butt. You're so right, Rodeomom3, guilty act.
And did I read that it was FORTY HOURS later before they finally killed him with a gun???
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Location: Arkansas | NJJ - 2015-07-30 9:57 AM
rodeomom3 - 2015-07-30 9:21 AM Â The guides have been arrested and are out on bail. Â We may never know if the dentist knew but I tend to think for 50k you scout and pick the lion you want. Â Also the fact that they tried to destroy his GPS collar instead of going to the authorities "when he discovered it had a collar" is a guilty act. It could have just been a reaction or it could be he didn't care, he got his trophy. This isn't his FIRST time to kill outside of a regulated area.....He was prosecuted for killing a black bear illegally in WI a few years ago....Â
eta: I loved what Jimmie Kimmel said last night........ Count Kimmel among the outraged and he used his late-night show to condemn the dentist, asking “is it that difficult for you to get an erection that you need to kill things that are stronger than you?” The comedian was so upset, he even teared up as he called on people to make donations to the Wildlife Conservation Research Unit at Oxford, saying he wanted to turn the story into a “positive” one. Â
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Location: ND--it snows, it floods, it snows, it floods | Killing a collared animal in the US is not illegal but is normally frowned upon |
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| komet. - 2015-07-30 6:21 PM Well.. you can go ahead and stick your head in the sand as deep as you want.... This was going on long before.... even antibiotics.... If someone wants it bad enough... they will get it.... This is all about religion.... Well I have news for you.... There are a whole bunch of people out there that will die before they answer to your God... Just like they will die before they will answer to Allah. This country was based, (in part) on freedom of religion... and freedom not to have to answer to it... Enough people were burned at the stake for heresy they got tired of it!!
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| geronabean - 2015-07-30 6:47 PM There are only a limited amount of causes I can support in my busy self absored life.
If I comment on one in that doesnt mean I dont care about others.
With that disclaimer I will say:
Drop the dentist off in the middle of the reserve for a little lion payback.
I think you just summed up my entire disgust.
Given the chance, that lion would certainly have eaten the dentist and nobody would care.
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Location: Oregon | barrelracr131 - 2015-07-30 4:31 PM How did this thread go from lions to cops to abortion?
Exactly. Happens on FB too. I’ve seen all the conversations expressing outrage on every topic on the planet compared to this lion topic, aka this thread, and it’s so annoying. OF COURSE there are other topics to be outraged about and it’s all relative to what you are passionate about it. But, talking or expressing concern/outrage/disgust about one topic doesn’t mean you are less concerned/outraged/disgusted by another. Bring up a new topic/thread and we’ll discuss or beat that one into the ground as well. |
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Location: The end of the Earth, SE AR | docschic - 2015-07-31 9:41 AM Killing a collared animal in the US is not illegal but is normally frowned upon In AR and in most states, killing an animal wearing a collar (which means it has radiotelemetry on it) is illegal. Also federal and state falconry law require falconers who capture a raptor weariing radiotelemetry to release the bird. To much money, time and effort goes into tracking a "radiotelemetry-ed" animal to allow it to be removed from the population. It is illegal for a lion wearing a tracking collar to be shot.
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| RidenFly - 2015-07-30 10:43 PM Mind Bender - 2015-07-31 7:10 PM RidenFly - 2015-07-30 1:47 PM As a hunter, I'm pretty sure this Dentist used a scope on his rifle, and I'm pretty sure in his scope he'd be able to see the collar. Now, wouldn't you think that if you saw a collar on an animal you'd think twice before pulling the trigger? What he did was disgusting. HOWEVER, calling for his life...all these B.S. memes about how we need to go Dentist hunting is equally if not more so wrong. How can we know that in one of our rants that we don't inspire some whack job to actually do something unthinkable to the dentist?
Plus trophy hunting pays for so much of the conservation in Africa. You can't end that. You cant. Maybe this was pointed out previously, but he used a bow.
Daughter's aussie is laying right by me and I can't see her collar well for the hair, I can't imagine what it would be like trying to see a collar in a lion's mane.
It's all a matter of perspective and I personally feel as if there are more important things to worry about. I always root for the hoofed ones anyway.
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Location: SE Louisiana | kmcsunshine - 2015-07-31 6:03 PM
RidenFly - 2015-07-30 10:43 PM Mind Bender - 2015-07-31 7:10 PM RidenFly - 2015-07-30 1:47 PM As a hunter, I'm pretty sure this Dentist used a scope on his rifle, and I'm pretty sure in his scope he'd be able to see the collar. Now, wouldn't you think that if you saw a collar on an animal you'd think twice before pulling the trigger?  What he did was disgusting. HOWEVER, calling for his life...all these B.S. memes about how we need to go Dentist hunting is equally if not more so wrong.  How can we know that in one of our rants that we don't inspire some whack job to actually do something unthinkable to the dentist? Â
 Plus trophy hunting pays for so much of the conservation in Africa. You can't end that. You cant.  Maybe this was pointed out previously, but he used a bow.
It's all a matter of perspective and I personally feel as if there are more important things to worry about. I always root for the hoofed ones anyway.
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Agreed. This is Jericho on the left and Cecil on the right. Both these lions are collared. Can you tell?
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Location: Florida.. | why does it matter to people whether others are passionate about this ?its better then being complacent.. or Not caring about anything...
If everyone didnt care about it there would be many more endangered species and evne the protected ones would be shot.. People have a right to stand up and try to make a differance in anything. It doesnt mean the other is any less wrong or thought about .. there are many things we can passionate about or disgusted with and our voice needs to be heard.. whether thats Planned parenthood, abortion, Pro horse slaughter , Horse feed companies and the monensin issue, killing protected animals , etc.. if Noone said a word about ANY of it .... it would never get the attention it needs and laws wouldnt be changed or at least redone..
as far as this lion... yes its absurd and wrong and something needs done.. and its all over the place (peoples voices and opinions) .. same as the Planned parenthood. its all over media.. I feel yes its more important ( planned parenthood )but I still will voice my opinon about the lion and the laws.. I think if you let ONE or TWO get away with stuff like this... they all will.. it has to stop somewhere or start with our voices..I dont post videos about Planned parenthood because it bothers me so much.. so Ill read and listen to others when they post them.. some cant handle it but doesnt mean I dont dispise that situation or think less of it.. its horrible and I hope they get punished to the fullest extent..
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