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Location: In the Hills of Texas | iloveequine40 - 2015-11-11 4:27 PM I'm not advocating for prca however I really think piggybacking off of prca or other rodeo organization to qualify for their finals was a way for them to not have to spend the $ and invest the time to produce them. If they want to have elite association then produce your own rodeos.It's simple
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Nevertooold - 2015-11-11 6:42 PM iloveequine40 - 2015-11-11 4:27 PM I'm not advocating for prca however I really think piggybacking off of prca or other rodeo organization to qualify for their finals was a way for them to not have to spend the $ and invest the time to produce them. If they want to have elite association then produce your own rodeos.It's simple
The only ones who will probably get rich out of this deal will be the lawyers......LOL
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grinandbareit - 2015-11-09 10:21 PM SKM - 2015-11-09 7:38 PM What were the ERA people thinking would happen when: 1) They have the ERA contestants do a Q&A where they state that they will not do the Challenge Rodeos the PRCA puts on that ate telecasted on CBS but will instead do the ERA rodeos. 2) The ERA creates an "A Team" that is pretty much based on the PRCA/WPRA World Champions and the ERA is bragging about showcasing said PRCA/WPRA champions. 3) In order to qualify on the ERA "B Team", people are going to have to basically compete in the biggest PRCA/WPRA rodeos in order to meet the added money, contestant limits and events. In other words the ERA is using the PRCA/WPRA as a spring board to get these qualifications. Not to mention this us how the ERA expects people to "prove they have the ability to be on the ERA. 4) No other rodeo association us using the PRCA/WPRA in this manner. How can it be anti trust if you are using another association as your base without their consent? I was actually all for the ERA... in the beginning. They are only adding two people to each event each season, so only 16 people will advance to the next season... The only way you can qualify is to get points in an event that has all seven events with at least $5k added to each event. So, you have to haul your butt off to qualify. Definitely not a big improvement for those not already in. Once you get in, you have to stay in the top six or you better start the hauling game again. The PBR has one event and fifty of the top riders. You can have a bad year and fall 30 spots and still stay in. That's a big difference. It's a money thing, like everything else. Which is fine, but don't fill my head full of crap and try to make me believe that you're looking out for the future of rodeo. You're looking out for the future of your retirement. It's a business venture, period. I wish them luck.
It'll still be a hauling game to get in... You designate up to 10 rodeos per QUARTER. That's up to 40 rodeos per year, and they have to have $5k added to the BARREL RACE. So unless you're going to the big rodeos, you aren't going to find many qualifiers in your area.
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| I hope it works out for both side in a positive way, because I love rodeo. I'm not sure how both sides could end up happy, but I hope they do.
I hope they all become gazillionaires, have their stories featured on Entertainment Tonight, and the national/local nightly sports news segments.
Maybe it will make rodeo so popular more rodeos will happen and more money will be put up for the weekend warrior.
Just make your own way peeps.
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| http://thescoopblog.dallasnews.com/2015/11/upstart-cowboys-alleging-monopoly-sue-pro-rodeo-cowboys-association-in-dallas.html/
http://www.courthousenews.com/2015/11/10/showdown-between-cowboys-and-pro-rodeo.htm
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| How is the PRCA a monopoly? A monopoly means it's the only one and has run the competition out of business. Numerous states have rodeo associations. You also have the IPRA, Indian rodeos, gay rodeos, youth rodeos, etc.
I have no problems with the ERA. But if they want to be an association, they need to stand on their own two feet and not expect to become great by being a parasite off of the PRCA.
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| Phxbarrel - 2015-11-11 9:23 PM
This also goes to show... money is evil! >.<
unless you have it
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Location: Texas | grinandbareit - 2015-11-11 6:48 PM
MS2011 - 2015-11-10 7:40 AM
grinandbareit - 2015-11-09 10:21 PM SKM - 2015-11-09 7:38 PM What were the ERA people thinking would happen when: 1) They have the ERA contestants do a Q&A where they state that they will not do the Challenge Rodeos the PRCA puts on that ate telecasted on CBS but will instead do the ERA rodeos. 2) The ERA creates an "A Team" that is pretty much based on the PRCA/WPRA World Champions and the ERA is bragging about showcasing said PRCA/WPRA champions. 3) In order to qualify on the ERA "B Team", people are going to have to basically compete in the biggest PRCA/WPRA rodeos in order to meet the added money, contestant limits and events. In other words the ERA is using the PRCA/WPRA as a spring board to get these qualifications. Not to mention this us how the ERA expects people to "prove they have the ability to be on the ERA. 4) No other rodeo association us using the PRCA/WPRA in this manner. How can it be anti trust if you are using another association as your base without their consent? I was actually all for the ERA... in the beginning. They are only adding two people to each event each season, so only 16 people will advance to the next season... The only way you can qualify is to get points in an event that has all seven events with at least $5k added to each event. So, you have to haul your butt off to qualify. Definitely not a big improvement for those not already in. Once you get in, you have to stay in the top six or you better start the hauling game again. The PBR has one event and fifty of the top riders. You can have a bad year and fall 30 spots and still stay in. That's a big difference. It's a money thing, like everything else. Which is fine, but don't fill my head full of crap and try to make me believe that you're looking out for the future of rodeo. You're looking out for the future of your retirement. It's a business venture, period. I wish them luck.
It'll still be a hauling game to get in... You designate up to 10 rodeos per QUARTER. That's up to 40 rodeos per year, and they have to have $5k added to the BARREL RACE. So unless you're going to the big rodeos, you aren't going to find many qualifiers in your area.
And most of those BIG rodeos are limited entry rodeos anyway. So you have to be hauling and winning to be eligible to enter those... | |
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| SKM - 2015-11-12 5:16 AM
How is the PRCA a monopoly? A monopoly means it's the only one and has run the competition out of business. Numerous states have rodeo associations. You also have the IPRA, Indian rodeos, gay rodeos, youth rodeos, etc.
I have no problems with the ERA. But if they want to be an association, they need to stand on their own two feet and not expect to become great by being a parasite off of the PRCA.
It may be considered a monopoly because if you do one (ERA) you can't do the other. It used to be that if you rodeoed PRCA you couldn't ammy rodeo. PRCA lost that case. All points aside (piggy backing, etc), it will come down to whether the court believes the PRCA bylaw is valid or not under the law. | |
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| azsun - 2015-11-12 11:13 AM SKM - 2015-11-12 5:16 AM How is the PRCA a monopoly? A monopoly means it's the only one and has run the competition out of business. Numerous states have rodeo associations. You also have the IPRA, Indian rodeos, gay rodeos, youth rodeos, etc. I have no problems with the ERA. But if they want to be an association, they need to stand on their own two feet and not expect to become great by being a parasite off of the PRCA. It may be considered a monopoly because if you do one (ERA ) you can't do the other. It used to be that if you rodeoed PRCA you couldn't ammy rodeo. PRCA lost that case. All points aside (piggy backing, etc ), it will come down to whether the court believes the PRCA bylaw is valid or not under the law.
I agree. I do not see where it would be considered a monopoly. Even if they do not allow ERA members to compete they are still allowing other rodeo association members to compete.
No one "needs" the PRCA to rodeo. I also diagree where it says in the a lawsuit “For decades now, PRCA-sanction rodeos have been the only game in town for a professional rodeo athlete”. Like azsun said "You also have the IPRA".
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| azsun - 2015-11-12 9:13 AM
SKM - 2015-11-12 5:16 AM
How is the PRCA a monopoly? A monopoly means it's the only one and has run the competition out of business. Numerous states have rodeo associations. You also have the IPRA, Indian rodeos, gay rodeos, youth rodeos, etc.
I have no problems with the ERA. But if they want to be an association, they need to stand on their own two feet and not expect to become great by being a parasite off of the PRCA.
It may be considered a monopoly because if you do one (ERA ) you can't do the other. It used to be that if you rodeoed PRCA you couldn't ammy rodeo. PRCA lost that case. All points aside (piggy backing, etc ), it will come down to whether the court believes the PRCA bylaw is valid or not under the law.
Back in the late 80's, early 90's, the PRCA said you couldn't do ammy rodeos. They lost (as they should have).
In the case of the ERA, the PRCA is not telling people they can't compete. What they said is you can't be a board member, shareholder or have a financial interest and also belong to the PRCA. To me it's the same as saying "If you are a board member,or a shareholder or have a financial interest at Chevrolet, you can't work for Ford as well".
Again, I think all of thus would be a mote point if the ERA wasn't trying to have a parasitic relationship with the PRCA in order for it to become a viable association. | |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | MOTIVATED - 2015-11-11 1:24 PM SC Wrangler - 2015-11-11 9:31 AM NJJ - 2015-11-11 9:13 AM MS2011 - 2015-11-11 8:39 AM TyE - 2015-11-10 5:57 PM kboltwkreations - 2015-11-10 8:03 AM Nevertooold - 2015-11-09 5:22 PM I will say if any or all of the ERA members got banned from the NFR I sure wouldn't cancell by plane ticket to the NFR this year. I feel some of them think they are way more important then what they really are. Wont be canceling my trip either, and just dont think anything could sway me from being a NFR supporter. I do agree that they all have paid their dues and would be nice to see them have to travel less (mostly for the horses sake ), but I also feel that it is a slap in the face to Las Vegas Events and all the hard work they put in at the first of the year to up the prize money to $10 mil, for contestants to still say they arent making enough money and that they are looking for a "true" world champion. I mean the go rounds are paying 26,000+ this year and 70,000+ for the average win (a MAJOR change from years past ). Have a good NFR and you could walk away with 250,000-300,000... Thats a dang good 10 day paycheck, and should be more than breaking even for the average person. Why would LVE try to keep uping the purse after this year when they see they arent apprecitated by the best in the business?? 10 days in one location with the chance of winning that much money? Seems like a pretty good payout to me..... I'm with everyone else if you want less travel GET A DIFFERENT JOB. 
Yup their job is to put on rodeos, and with their agenda in doing so they have ****ed off the finest rodeo committees and the biggest and best rodeos in the country have proven that they don't need the PRCA. Great job!!! | |
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| Well if these people ie the ERA or so ****ed off then why not just cut all ties and be done. Look we all have jobs or belong to groups we don't absolutely LOVE. You have a choice deal with it or move on, ESPECIALLY in a job as rodeo professional. Their platform to do less work and make more $ is euphoric. MOST people who take a lesser work load job make less money!
I honestly think their plan for this ERA was not well planned. I'm sure they had a ton of interest from sponsors, contractors etc but not a commitment from them. Everyone will talk a good game but until you have a contract and $ in hand its not a done deal. I worked in Marketing for a long time and with this economy companies aren't just blindly signing over sponsorship/advertising dollars. They either made this up as they went along and didn't do enough research into production cost and the piggy backing is plan B or they thought the prca would be ok with them using their sanctioned shows that they did all the work for, for FREE.
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| SKM - 2015-11-12 10:55 AM
azsun - 2015-11-12 9:13 AM
SKM - 2015-11-12 5:16 AM
How is the PRCA a monopoly? A monopoly means it's the only one and has run the competition out of business. Numerous states have rodeo associations. You also have the IPRA, Indian rodeos, gay rodeos, youth rodeos, etc.
I have no problems with the ERA. But if they want to be an association, they need to stand on their own two feet and not expect to become great by being a parasite off of the PRCA.
It may be considered a monopoly because if you do one (ERA ) you can't do the other. It used to be that if you rodeoed PRCA you couldn't ammy rodeo. PRCA lost that case. All points aside (piggy backing, etc ), it will come down to whether the court believes the PRCA bylaw is valid or not under the law.
Back in the late 80's, early 90's, the PRCA said you couldn't do ammy rodeos. They lost (as they should have ).
In the case of the ERA, the PRCA is not telling people they can't compete. What they said is you can't be a board member, shareholder or have a financial interest and also belong to the PRCA. To me it's the same as saying "If you are a board member,or a shareholder or have a financial interest at Chevrolet, you can't work for Ford as well".
Again, I think all of thus would be a mote point if the ERA wasn't trying to have a parasitic relationship with the PRCA in order for it to become a viable association.
The legal issue still is whether the bylaws that were passed are a violation of the law. I don't know the answer and it will depend on the judge and his/her interpretation of the law. | |
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| SC Wrangler - 2015-11-12 11:46 AM MOTIVATED - 2015-11-11 1:24 PM SC Wrangler - 2015-11-11 9:31 AM NJJ - 2015-11-11 9:13 AM MS2011 - 2015-11-11 8:39 AM TyE - 2015-11-10 5:57 PM kboltwkreations - 2015-11-10 8:03 AM Nevertooold - 2015-11-09 5:22 PM I will say if any or all of the ERA members got banned from the NFR I sure wouldn't cancell by plane ticket to the NFR this year. I feel some of them think they are way more important then what they really are. Wont be canceling my trip either, and just dont think anything could sway me from being a NFR supporter. I do agree that they all have paid their dues and would be nice to see them have to travel less (mostly for the horses sake ), but I also feel that it is a slap in the face to Las Vegas Events and all the hard work they put in at the first of the year to up the prize money to $10 mil, for contestants to still say they arent making enough money and that they are looking for a "true" world champion. I mean the go rounds are paying 26,000+ this year and 70,000+ for the average win (a MAJOR change from years past ). Have a good NFR and you could walk away with 250,000-300,000... Thats a dang good 10 day paycheck, and should be more than breaking even for the average person. Why would LVE try to keep uping the purse after this year when they see they arent apprecitated by the best in the business?? 10 days in one location with the chance of winning that much money? Seems like a pretty good payout to me..... I'm with everyone else if you want less travel GET A DIFFERENT JOB.
Which rodeos are you talking about? Which BIG AND BEST rodeo commitee isn't using the PRCA anymore? I know there has been past trouble with Houston, Calgary....thats all I can think of....the only really big ones. And I dont see either of them backing out with the PRCA to jump in with the ERA this year as their new venues.....not yet anyway. I am not against the ERA...and I think PRCA should let them compete...I just think they sound like a bunch of spoiled, entitled brats in the press releases.
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | MOTIVATED - 2015-11-12 4:29 PM SC Wrangler - 2015-11-12 11:46 AM MOTIVATED - 2015-11-11 1:24 PM SC Wrangler - 2015-11-11 9:31 AM NJJ - 2015-11-11 9:13 AM MS2011 - 2015-11-11 8:39 AM TyE - 2015-11-10 5:57 PM kboltwkreations - 2015-11-10 8:03 AM Nevertooold - 2015-11-09 5:22 PM I will say if any or all of the ERA members got banned from the NFR I sure wouldn't cancell by plane ticket to the NFR this year. I feel some of them think they are way more important then what they really are. Wont be canceling my trip either, and just dont think anything could sway me from being a NFR supporter. I do agree that they all have paid their dues and would be nice to see them have to travel less (mostly for the horses sake ), but I also feel that it is a slap in the face to Las Vegas Events and all the hard work they put in at the first of the year to up the prize money to $10 mil, for contestants to still say they arent making enough money and that they are looking for a "true" world champion. I mean the go rounds are paying 26,000+ this year and 70,000+ for the average win (a MAJOR change from years past ). Have a good NFR and you could walk away with 250,000-300,000... Thats a dang good 10 day paycheck, and should be more than breaking even for the average person. Why would LVE try to keep uping the purse after this year when they see they arent apprecitated by the best in the business?? 10 days in one location with the chance of winning that much money? Seems like a pretty good payout to me..... I'm with everyone else if you want less travel GET A DIFFERENT JOB.
Calgary and Houston were the big rodeos I was basically referring to. I have no feeling about the ERA one way or another. Time will tell the story one way or another. But I definitely feel like the PRCA is failing as far as representing the cowboys and responding to their needs and concerns. It is all well and good to say they can go elsewhere if they are not happy with the association, but it is a two way street and without the cowboys, the PRCA isn't jack. | |
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| Someone on Tufs fan pg is saying (pretty passionately) the ERA is "like" the rodeo olympics and the PRCA is like the Nationals or worlds where one qualifies for the Olympics and you hone your skills in that type of venue to prepare you for the olympics. | |
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| SC Wrangler - 2015-11-14 9:49 AM
Calgary and Houston were the big rodeos I was basically referring to. I have no feeling about the ERA one way or another. Time will tell the story one way or another. But I definitely feel like the PRCA is failing as far as representing the cowboys and responding to their needs and concerns. It is all well and good to say they can go elsewhere if they are not happy with the association, but it is a two way street and without the cowboys, the PRCA isn't jack.
First off, not defending the ERA here, I think that they should stand on their own two feet.
How many on here know that that rodeo committees have to pay a sanction fee in any association that they affiliate with? And that the PRCA sanction fees are hefty? And that ach year you have a successful PRCA rodeo, that sanction fee goes up? The bigger the rodeo, the higher the sanction fee, the higher the price hike per year goes up. This is a factor in why some successful rodeos have left the PRCA.
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