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| Frodo - 2015-12-03 12:44 PM Obama just offered his "thoughts and prayers." Does he not read The Daily News.
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Location: So. California | bullwoman - 2015-12-03 10:30 AM The latest news conference, suspects shot 65-75 rds. in the building, had 1400 rds. of 223 & 209 rds. of 9mm just in the car! The building they found 3 pipe bombs wrapped together, for some reason the remote didn't work. The home had 2,500 rds. of 223 & 2,000 rds. of 9mm, plus 12 pipe bombs! but our president doesn't believe this is terrorism, BS!
And 100's of shots were fired in the street where they suspects were in a gun battle with LEO. Bullets were flying everywhere, motorists diving for cover, bullets hitting nearby homes... The videos taken by locals/bystanders is scarier the heck!
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Anniemae - 2015-12-03 11:18 AM
Bear - 2015-12-02 10:26 PM Tayeep: "Hi honey, you're home early. How was the Christmas party?" Malik: "They pis$ed me off and said mean things" Tayyeep: "That's awful.....let's go kill them. I'll grab the AKs, you grab the Smith and Wessons.....oh, should I bring the bombs too?" Malik: "Yeah we might as well.....I think the bombs are in the pantry behind the cornflakes." Tayyeep: "The flak vests are in the garage, and the stocking masks should be in the pockets." Malik: "Good, sweetheart. When we are done let's sit down and plan the attack so we can hit them before the party's over." That's probably how it went down. Typical scenario for workplace violence....right?
Oh come on now.....  this is just plain ridiculous.Â
Obviously this situation had been in the planning stages for awhile. This was a terrorist attack carried out by a disgruntled employee; he did target his co-workers... Â
Were there other motivations?  Don't know yet, but my guess is his wife had a lot more to do with this than what is being reported. What if SHE was the driving force behind this terrorist act? Hmmm....Â
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Anniemae, do you have some inside information? Obviously I was being sarcastic, because I think it's safe to say that most people strongly suspect this is more than workplace violence or "terrorism" directed at an employee.
Yes, I think the guys wife was likely a driving force. The guy goes to Saudi Arabia, brings her back, and this happens a year later. It sounds like he was treated well at work. He was allowed to go home to pray while at work, several times a day. These people threw a baby shower for their baby. Calling this a terrorist attack directed at his work place sounds like an attempt to sanitize this horrible incident. This was planned and premeditated. You referred to him as a "disgruntled employee".....maybe that's what it's called in California, but not where I've lived. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | rodeomom3 - 2015-12-03 5:33 AM
Anniemae - 2015-12-02 10:49 PM He was a disgruntled employee... Â  Â
That's my take on this. The man became radicalized at some point and they picked out the soft target with which he was most familiar.....his work place and coworkers. He was "disgruntled" alright......disgruntled in America. |
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| we have a problem with trying to put one label on things........but not much fits into one label...paris fit one label.....radical islamic terrorism.....this does not....it appears radical islamic teachings were a big factor....also appears he was an unhappy employee....also was a native born united states citizen.....an american....his wife was not.....they lived in Redlands, CA.....i've lived there in Loma Linda....went to school there.....not a hotbed for terrorism.....nor liberalism....if you want to use labels.....use ALL the labels....don't just cherry pick |
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| RidenFly - 2015-12-03 12:11 PM
Frodo - 2015-12-04 8:38 AM RidenFly - 2015-12-03 9:14 AM No words. Just devestated at both the act and the opinions of people on social media.  So glad I don't Facebook. Tried but the political drama was more than I could stand.Â
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| Anniemae - 2015-12-03 12:52 PM
bullwoman - 2015-12-03 10:30 AM The latest news conference, suspects shot 65-75 rds. in the building, had 1400 rds. of 223 & 209 rds. of 9mm just in the car! The building they found 3 pipe bombs wrapped together, for some reason the remote didn't work. The home had 2,500 rds. of 223 & 2,000 rds. of 9mm, plus 12 pipe bombs! but our president doesn't believe this is terrorism, BS!
And 100's of shots were fired in the street where they suspects were in a gun battle with LEO. Bullets were flying everywhere, motorists diving for cover, bullets hitting nearby homes... The videos taken by locals/bystanders is scarier the heck!   Â
Terrifying but thank goodness they were stopped. The amount of amo and bombs they had has led to credible speculation that they had other targets besides his work place. |
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| Bear - 2015-12-03 1:19 PM
rodeomom3 - 2015-12-03 5:33 AM
Anniemae - 2015-12-02 10:49 PM He was a disgruntled employee... Â Â
That's my take on this. The man became radicalized at some point and they picked out the soft target with which he was most familiar.....his work place and coworkers. He was "disgruntled" alright......disgruntled in America.
I also wonder if he targeted his fellow employees as a way to atone so to speak for having made friends "with the enemy", partaking in the American way of life. A way to show other radicals " I really didn't mean to enjoy the American life." |
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Location: Loma Linda, CA | TO Cookie Monster - 2015-12-03 1:20 PM
we have a problem with trying to put one label on things........but not much fits into one label...paris fit one label.....radical islamic terrorism.....this does not....it appears radical islamic teachings were a big factor....also appears he was an unhappy employee....also was a native born united states citizen.....an american....his wife was not.....they lived in Redlands, CA.....i've lived there in Loma Linda....went to school there.....not a hotbed for terrorism.....nor liberalism....if you want to use labels.....use ALL the labels....don't just cherry pick
This!
I live in Loma Linda and we are very accepting people.
The Islamic community which I am apart of (bash me if you want - everyone else does especially since I'm as white American as you get lol) is completely distraught over the whole situation.
If he was radicalized - well, ISIS wants these radicalized people to attack Americans. They feed off of it. On Twitter they call for action. They call for these people "lions" to attack people...
Why? Because America attacks Syria and we kill a lot of their men, women, & a lot of children. In Isis' eyes it is payback. It's not senseless terrorism, it's a reaction to what is happening in the middle east.
The only reason I know this is because I pay attention to Twitter. I don't agree with it. The Islamic community wants peace. Heck, they/we are lucky if we are able to get the 5 prayers in a day lol.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Just wait and see......the liberal press is going to somehow figure out a way to blame (pick any conservative candidate). They will say Trump or Cruz or Rubio provoked this "workplace violence" just like they blame the NRA for all gun related deaths.
This is just the beginning. We have a cancer growing within our borders. Wait till they start being more creative with bombs and technology. There are drones and remote controlled cars that can plant bombs anywhere. They are basically just toys, but they can become useful tools of terror. |
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Location: So. California | Bear - 2015-12-03 10:58 AM Anniemae - 2015-12-03 11:18 AM Bear - 2015-12-02 10:26 PM Tayeep: "Hi honey, you're home early. How was the Christmas party?" Malik: "They pis$ed me off and said mean things" Tayyeep: "That's awful.....let's go kill them. I'll grab the AKs, you grab the Smith and Wessons.....oh, should I bring the bombs too?" Malik: "Yeah we might as well.....I think the bombs are in the pantry behind the cornflakes." Tayyeep: "The flak vests are in the garage, and the stocking masks should be in the pockets." Malik: "Good, sweetheart. When we are done let's sit down and plan the attack so we can hit them before the party's over." That's probably how it went down. Typical scenario for workplace violence....right? Oh come on now..... this is just plain ridiculous.
Obviously this situation had been in the planning stages for awhile. This was a terrorist attack carried out by a disgruntled employee; he did target his co-workers...
Were there other motivations? Don't know yet, but my guess is his wife had a lot more to do with this than what is being reported. What if SHE was the driving force behind this terrorist act? Hmmm....
Anniemae, do you have some inside information? Obviously I was being sarcastic, because I think it's safe to say that most people strongly suspect this is more than workplace violence or "terrorism" directed at an employee. Yes, I think the guys wife was likely a driving force. The guy goes to Saudi Arabia, brings her back, and this happens a year later. It sounds like he was treated well at work. He was allowed to go home to pray while at work, several times a day. These people threw a baby shower for their baby. Calling this a terrorist attack directed at his work place sounds like an attempt to sanitize this horrible incident. This was planned and premeditated. You referred to him as a "disgruntled employee".....maybe that's what it's called in California, but not where I've lived.
I understand your original post was tongue n cheek...
What can't these suspects be all of the things posted? Disgruntled employee (confirmed he left the party 'angry' by LEO), Terrorist (his actions proved he committed an act of terror), maybe Islamic terrorist, wifey in on the planning, etc... To discount any reason this early in, just doesn't make sense, LEO is keeping all options on the table. Whatever label you want to put on it, it was a horrific act of violence that caused 14 deaths, multiple injuries and a shoot out with HUNDREDS of bullets on our public streets!
I prefer to wait and let LEO do their job before jumping to conclusions. Keep all options on the table, just don't pin ONE label on this horrible act and call it a done deal. Rarely are these mass killings that easy to define. It's multi-layered, multi-dimentional...
We do receive local coverage which is much more personal than the national coverage. More interviews with witnesses, more vidoes, etc...
I think we are on the same page, just a matter of symatics or what label you choose to use.
Continued prayers for the victims and community. 
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Why are they only showing a picture of him and not her? Just a thought. |
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Location: Central Texas | Southtxponygirl - 2015-12-03 2:57 PM
Why are they only showing a picture of him and not her? Just a thought.Â
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | ampratt - 2015-12-03 3:14 PM Southtxponygirl - 2015-12-03 2:57 PM Why are they only showing a picture of him and not her? Just a thought. We think alike. I want to see her picture!
I think its strange that only his picture is being shown, she did the killing's too so why not her picture to.. I know that he was born here but was she? I wonder if she was the ring leader and called all the shots in these killings.. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2015-12-03 3:21 PM
ampratt - 2015-12-03 3:14 PM Southtxponygirl - 2015-12-03 2:57 PM Why are they only showing a picture of him and not her? Just a thought. We think alike. I want to see her picture!
She was not......She was born in pakistan and they were married in Mecca a couple years ago.........she was here on a K-1 visa....which doesn't make sense so i wouldn't quote that
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| ampratt - 2015-12-03 3:14 PM Southtxponygirl - 2015-12-03 2:57 PM Why are they only showing a picture of him and not her? Just a thought. We think alike. I want to see her picture!
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Location: SE Louisiana | How do get caught with bombs and not be classified as a terrorist? |
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| komet. - 2015-12-03 4:11 PM
How do get caught with bombs and not be classified as a terrorist?
you could be a bank robber.....
well driller......
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alaskan....
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