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| Red Raider - 2015-12-08 2:43 PM Murphy - 2015-12-08 2:38 PM MOTIVATED - 2015-12-08 3:34 PM streakysox - 2015-12-08 2:29 PM cecollins0811 - 2015-12-08 2:16 PM hoofs_in_motion - 2015-12-08 1:51 PM MOTIVATED - 2015-12-08 1:38 PM From a friend who is in the know....a ground crew offered to come do the ground at the finals this year for FREE, including dirt, equipment and crew and was turned away. The ground that they use for the finals is 30 years old...it is the same dirt every year...with the exception of last year where they added sand but not enough water...and that is why it was so shifty last year. This year it is better BUT the arena is drying out too quickly. I do know that a couple years back a very famous ground crew in this area supposedly offered for FREE to also do the Amarillo PRCA rodeo ground because slack is notoriously bad every year......they were turned away. I have a few friends competing this year and most of the horses have handled the ground pretty well this year...it is MUCH better than last year...but they need professionals to come in and let them do their job...its free...I dont know why they wouldn't allow it other than pride. not trying to come off as rude.....but how is it that you know SOOO much about what is going on behind the scenes? Not trying to come off as rude BUT have you ever thought that MOTIVATED has been there and helped out people at the NFR personally? How in the world did they get dirt that is 30 years old? Now that is pretty funny. Exactly. Dirt for North American Rodeo and KY State Fair are decades old. It's stored not far from the fairgrounds. 
I didnt miss it, I just ignored it because I knew others would wonder as well what I meant................. the ground in the T&M is older than dirt...30 years old...to be exact.  pun intended. |
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Location: NOT at Wal Mart | FLITASTIC - 2015-12-08 9:26 AM Cause the WPRA is INVITED to be there. The PRCA does not have to allow a barrel race at THEIR NFR. If the WPRA stood up against them then they would simply be told to put their own on.
Well if a certain individual would have had her way a few years back, the PRCA would have had that opportunity, just sayin.... Hoping for a good outcome for Radio. |
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Location: 'Hawk Country | Firewater - 2015-12-08 1:50 PM I am not certain if what I am about to type is true... so *** I think I recall Charmayne James one year volunteered to do the ground at the NFR and she was refused... Clearly the WPRA needs to really step up and start voicing their concerns in public and put the pressure on the PRCA to care enough to do something. The "invited guest" went out with the Lawsuit that the WPRA won a few years back and the PRCA owing them millions if not allowing them back in. We are equal partners and the second most popular event in rodeo... it's time someone stood up and got vocal about this, really vocal! It's a safety issue for horse and rider!
The PRCA isn't in charge of the ground.
The WPRA has been in contact with the producer all year. There were people who came to the WPRA offering new ground, tractor and arena tool for free. They did not want paid or recognition. They asked that the WPRA take this proposal to the producer. The WPRA did and it was turned down. |
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| MOTIVATED - 2015-12-08 2:34 PM streakysox - 2015-12-08 2:29 PM cecollins0811 - 2015-12-08 2:16 PM hoofs_in_motion - 2015-12-08 1:51 PM MOTIVATED - 2015-12-08 1:38 PM From a friend who is in the know....a ground crew offered to come do the ground at the finals this year for FREE, including dirt, equipment and crew and was turned away. The ground that they use for the finals is 30 years old...it is the same dirt every year...with the exception of last year where they added sand but not enough water...and that is why it was so shifty last year. This year it is better BUT the arena is drying out too quickly. I do know that a couple years back a very famous ground crew in this area supposedly offered for FREE to also do the Amarillo PRCA rodeo ground because slack is notoriously bad every year......they were turned away. I have a few friends competing this year and most of the horses have handled the ground pretty well this year...it is MUCH better than last year...but they need professionals to come in and let them do their job...its free...I dont know why they wouldn't allow it other than pride. not trying to come off as rude.....but how is it that you know SOOO much about what is going on behind the scenes? Not trying to come off as rude BUT have you ever thought that MOTIVATED has been there and helped out people at the NFR personally? How in the world did they get dirt that is 30 years old? Now that is pretty funny.
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Location: Where I am happiest | They turn the ground offer's down because the best ground for barrel racing is not necessarily the best ground for bucking stock nor ropers. Or at least as the old timers believe. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | If they turn ground offers like that down, I wonder if it has to do with liability. |
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| Whiteboy - 2015-12-08 3:05 PM MOTIVATED - 2015-12-08 2:34 PM streakysox - 2015-12-08 2:29 PM cecollins0811 - 2015-12-08 2:16 PM hoofs_in_motion - 2015-12-08 1:51 PM MOTIVATED - 2015-12-08 1:38 PM From a friend who is in the know....a ground crew offered to come do the ground at the finals this year for FREE, including dirt, equipment and crew and was turned away. The ground that they use for the finals is 30 years old...it is the same dirt every year...with the exception of last year where they added sand but not enough water...and that is why it was so shifty last year. This year it is better BUT the arena is drying out too quickly. I do know that a couple years back a very famous ground crew in this area supposedly offered for FREE to also do the Amarillo PRCA rodeo ground because slack is notoriously bad every year......they were turned away. I have a few friends competing this year and most of the horses have handled the ground pretty well this year...it is MUCH better than last year...but they need professionals to come in and let them do their job...its free...I dont know why they wouldn't allow it other than pride. not trying to come off as rude.....but how is it that you know SOOO much about what is going on behind the scenes? Not trying to come off as rude BUT have you ever thought that MOTIVATED has been there and helped out people at the NFR personally? How in the world did they get dirt that is 30 years old? Now that is pretty funny.
Las Vegas Events hired Shawn Davis as producer of NFR. He has the final say in everything.
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Location: Roping pen | I lead a team that has a 2 day show with over 500 runs. Dirt condition is a battle. As one mentioned, what is good for one event is not good for another.
The one's that challenge the condition of the arena are typically the one's that seldom offer to help or put it on.
We cater more to the barrel races just to avoid the chatter. But the rough stock contractors are typically not happy... And I hate to say it, the rough stock events sell more tickets than the barrel racers. So we are probably shooting ourselves in the foot..
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Location: 'Hawk Country | ThreeCorners - 2015-12-08 3:07 PM They turn the ground offer's down because the best ground for barrel racing is not necessarily the best ground for bucking stock nor ropers. Or at least as the old timers believe.
The bucking stock has a hard time with the ground too. The rough stock director was all for taking the new ground. |
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| doglady - 2015-12-08 10:37 AM
MOTIVATED - 2015-12-08 10:34 AM I wrote Carley earlier. I havent heard back. I'm sure she is much too busy right now. I can assure you that IF Carley runs him tonight it wont be out of greed by any standards...it will have meant that she TRUELY believes him to be sound and OK. I doubt very much that she runs him...but I know how much she loves that horse and can assure you that she is confident in Boy enough to jump on him if she things that Radio is not 100%. Boy is no slacker for a backup horse...both are very capable.
I love reading your posts but I am a hundred years old and your script is really hard to read. Sorry i m probably the only one but I have to skip you a lot because I can't read it. Is there anyway you could change it or make it bigger??
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| HorseMommyFiveO - 2015-12-08 4:00 PM doglady - 2015-12-08 10:37 AM MOTIVATED - 2015-12-08 10:34 AM I wrote Carley earlier. I havent heard back. I'm sure she is much too busy right now. I can assure you that IF Carley runs him tonight it wont be out of greed by any standards...it will have meant that she TRUELY believes him to be sound and OK. I doubt very much that she runs him...but I know how much she loves that horse and can assure you that she is confident in Boy enough to jump on him if she things that Radio is not 100%. Boy is no slacker for a backup horse...both are very capable. I love reading your posts but I am a hundred years old and your script is really hard to read. Sorry i m probably the only one but I have to skip you a lot because I can't read it. Is there anyway you could change it or make it bigger?? I'm not 100 years old but I can't read it either. :- )
This is what it looks like on my end... what about yours?
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | MOTIVATED - 2015-12-08 2:34 PM streakysox - 2015-12-08 2:29 PM cecollins0811 - 2015-12-08 2:16 PM hoofs_in_motion - 2015-12-08 1:51 PM MOTIVATED - 2015-12-08 1:38 PM From a friend who is in the know....a ground crew offered to come do the ground at the finals this year for FREE, including dirt, equipment and crew and was turned away. The ground that they use for the finals is 30 years old...it is the same dirt every year...with the exception of last year where they added sand but not enough water...and that is why it was so shifty last year. This year it is better BUT the arena is drying out too quickly. I do know that a couple years back a very famous ground crew in this area supposedly offered for FREE to also do the Amarillo PRCA rodeo ground because slack is notoriously bad every year......they were turned away. I have a few friends competing this year and most of the horses have handled the ground pretty well this year...it is MUCH better than last year...but they need professionals to come in and let them do their job...its free...I dont know why they wouldn't allow it other than pride. not trying to come off as rude.....but how is it that you know SOOO much about what is going on behind the scenes? Not trying to come off as rude BUT have you ever thought that MOTIVATED has been there and helped out people at the NFR personally? How in the world did they get dirt that is 30 years old? Now that is pretty funny.
Its the same here in San Antoino at the Pro rodeo at the AT&T center they use the same dirt over and over and for many years could be 30 years old too, but its the same dirt that they store.. |
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| I remember Brittnay Pozzi saying s few years back that it's been the same dirt for 20 plus years. I'm not a dirt expert but would it be very expensive to have the dirt changed out every year? |
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