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Location: Arkansas | musikmaker - 2016-01-28 11:29 AM
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SO THE "CONSTITUTIONAL SHERIFF" WHO WAS SO OPEN TO MR BUNDY AND HIS GROUP AND WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AT A TOWN HALL MEETING WAITING ON BUNDY TO JOIN THEM IN GRANT COUNTY IS A LIAR HE SET THEM UP !!!! HOW CAN YOU BE AT A MEETING WAITING FOR THEMALITIA TO BE WELCOMED WHEN YOUR OUT ON THE SCENE WHILE THEY ARE BEING MURDERED AND SHOT..........................................................Grant county Sheriff Sheriff Glenn Palmer (left) carries a shotgun back to his patrol vehicle, which was serving as part of a roadblock. Highway 395 was blocked at Seneca between John Day and Burns by Oregon State police officers the evening of Tuesday,
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Now they're saying he had a 9 mm in the pocket he was reaching for. Why do I have a hard time believing the official line? I do agree that his actions in the video gave them an excuse to shoot. |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | jbhoot - 2016-01-28 9:32 PM musikmaker - 2016-01-28 10:11 PM Bibliafarm - 2016-01-28 7:38 PM LIVE VIDEO>. he rammed a roadblock hit a agent and jumped out and reached to his waistband after running around erratic.. make your own conclusions .. horrible but this is why he was shot.One time.. and he did reach for his gun..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBNC-ZA9OKE
Jury still out for me. And I'm not alone...I still want to pics of the truck. The fbi's saying they shot 'rubber bullets,' whatever, why the hell would they do that in a 'shootout'? ha
Watch the full video. He was stupid. Had he not run the first stop and try to run the second he would be in jail and alive. I do agree with a lot of what he was protesting however his death is on him.
He stopped a the first roadblock, Ryan Payne got out after they shot at him and missed...(and WAS arrested there according to the girls story AND the fbi), they said, and I have no doubt about this as it's what they've held to all along, is that they were going to the sheriff. This entire issue is over who has the jurisdiction and the DUTY to protect the people...the FBI is an investigative agency that was created to investigate the federal government, NOT the people, so the question is, "Are we the people answerable to unelected agencies?"
The national gov't is to protect our bordrs, handle international trade, deal with state to state issues.
The state is to protect the people within it's borders as well as handle the resources etc...
The counties are to protect the people from the states!
Very well thought out and offers several layers of protections for our rights.
Sheirff Ward was and is guilty of 'dereliction of duty'...lest we forget WHY the protesters were there in the first place...they would not have been had the sheriff done his job from the beginning.
So....Lavoy refusing to stop for a federal officer was absolutely expected and within his constitutional rights.
Yes, he chose to take a bullet or 6...it's said that he was saying "Just shoot me..." as in JUST shoot me, nobody else.
Another thing...the fbi spokesman concerning this video said that after Lavoy was shot they then shot the vehicle with 'rubber bullets' and gas...does that make one bit of sense? Why didn't they shoot Lavoy with 'rubber bullets'? Do they carry 2 guns and all switch at the same time? Preplanned to only shoot 'rubber bullets' at the vehicle? lol...sure. Dumb statement by him as it throws more doubt on everything he says.
May God Bless America...she needs it.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | musikmaker - 2016-01-29 8:33 AM jbhoot - 2016-01-28 9:32 PM musikmaker - 2016-01-28 10:11 PM Bibliafarm - 2016-01-28 7:38 PM LIVE VIDEO>. he rammed a roadblock hit a agent and jumped out and reached to his waistband after running around erratic.. make your own conclusions .. horrible but this is why he was shot.One time.. and he did reach for his gun..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBNC-ZA9OKE
Jury still out for me. And I'm not alone...I still want to pics of the truck. The fbi's saying they shot 'rubber bullets,' whatever, why the hell would they do that in a 'shootout'? ha
Watch the full video. He was stupid. Had he not run the first stop and try to run the second he would be in jail and alive. I do agree with a lot of what he was protesting however his death is on him.
The national gov't is to protect our bordrs, handle international trade, deal with state to state issues.
The state is to protect the people within it's borders as well as handle the resources etc...
The counties are to protect the people from the states!
Very well thought out and offers several layers of protections for our rights.
Sheirff Ward was and is guilty of 'dereliction of duty'...lest we forget WHY the protesters were there in the first place...they would not have been had the sheriff done his job from the beginning.
So....Lavoy refusing to stop for a federal officer was absolutely expected and within his constitutional rights.
Yes, he chose to take a bullet or 6...it's said that he was saying "Just shoot me..." as in JUST shoot me, nobody else.
Another thing...the fbi spokesman concerning this video said that after Lavoy was shot they then shot the vehicle with 'rubber bullets' and gas...does that make one bit of sense? Why didn't they shoot Lavoy with 'rubber bullets'? Do they carry 2 guns and all switch at the same time? Preplanned to only shoot 'rubber bullets' at the vehicle? lol...sure. Dumb statement by him as it throws more doubt on everything he says.
May God Bless America...she needs it.
I had the same thoughts. They killed a guy with live ammo and then supposedly switched to rubber to shoot at the vehicle? How did the other dude get shot in the arm? |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | jbhoot - 2016-01-28 10:32 PM musikmaker - 2016-01-28 10:11 PM Bibliafarm - 2016-01-28 7:38 PM LIVE VIDEO>. he rammed a roadblock hit a agent and jumped out and reached to his waistband after running around erratic.. make your own conclusions .. horrible but this is why he was shot.One time.. and he did reach for his gun..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBNC-ZA9OKE
Jury still out for me. And I'm not alone...I still want to pics of the truck. The fbi's saying they shot 'rubber bullets,' whatever, why the hell would they do that in a 'shootout'? ha
Watch the full video. He was stupid. Had he not run the first stop and try to run the second he would be in jail and alive. I do agree with a lot of what he was protesting however his death is on him.
AGREED.........Watch the entire video......LE have to "assume" that he had a gun. This guy, who usually carried a gun, refused direct orders, fled the scene, RAN OVER a cop, ran around like a maniac and charged at the cops, reached to his waistband and was shot......gee....do you think, he MAY have contributed to his own death. Additionally, the statements about "rubber bullets and changing guns....how insane....there were over 10-15 cops, on site.....some "may" have only been armed with guns and rubber bullets.....
He "could" have stepped out of the vehicle and laid down......AND would still be alive.........
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Location: The edge of no where | Here's a petition to the White House to try to free the Hammonds.
https://www.facebook.com/standwiththehammonds/?fref=nf Might not make much difference, but at least we can be heard.
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | Here's a 13 second enhanced video of the murder.
What's insane is that our government does this to law abiding citizensw!!!! I'm outraged and disgusted...EF the 'brotherhood'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUzzrjBo_HU&sns=fb
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | NJJ - 2016-01-29 8:25 AM jbhoot - 2016-01-28 10:32 PM musikmaker - 2016-01-28 10:11 PM Bibliafarm - 2016-01-28 7:38 PM LIVE VIDEO>. he rammed a roadblock hit a agent and jumped out and reached to his waistband after running around erratic.. make your own conclusions .. horrible but this is why he was shot.One time.. and he did reach for his gun..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBNC-ZA9OKE
Jury still out for me. And I'm not alone...I still want to pics of the truck. The fbi's saying they shot 'rubber bullets,' whatever, why the hell would they do that in a 'shootout'? ha
Watch the full video. He was stupid. Had he not run the first stop and try to run the second he would be in jail and alive. I do agree with a lot of what he was protesting however his death is on him.
He "could" have stepped out of the vehicle and laid down......AND would still be alive.........
You are right...he and the others should have just minded their own business like all good little minions. Stop trying to make this world a beter place, don't stand for own freedom and rights much less anyone elses...and certainly don't upset the leo's, especially those who use our money and our weapons against us...and get away with it every time.
Why was Ryan Bundy shot with a 'live' round? Why was the front windshield shot out BEFORE they went off the road?
WTH was Lavoy supposed to do?
The girl said they fled the first roadblock becasue they were being shot at...so far, her testimony matches exactly the video...the fbi said at first that they only fired 3 shots. Liars.
Swallow what you will...live in a oncrete box if you choose...I admire Lavoy for saying, "No thanks".
Look at this and tell me he was reaching for a gun...remember, there's no audio, he ran FROM the vehicle to stop them shooting AT it...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUzzrjBo_HU&sns=fb
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| musikmaker - 2016-01-29 10:01 AM
Here's a 13 second enhanced video of the murder.
What's insane is that our government does this to law abiding citizensw!!!! I'm outraged and disgusted...EF the 'brotherhood'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUzzrjBo_HU&sns=fb
Law abiding? Really !!! |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | jbhoot - 2016-01-29 9:10 AM musikmaker - 2016-01-29 10:01 AM Here's a 13 second enhanced video of the murder.
What's insane is that our government does this to law abiding citizensw!!!! I'm outraged and disgusted...EF the 'brotherhood'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUzzrjBo_HU&sns=fb
Law abiding? Really !!!
What 'law' did they break? OH...yeah...they are charged with conspiracy to impede the duties of officers.
Funny how they don't believe in 'conspiracies' until it suits them.
Scary direction they're taking us...
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | musikmaker - 2016-01-29 10:14 AM jbhoot - 2016-01-29 9:10 AM musikmaker - 2016-01-29 10:01 AM Here's a 13 second enhanced video of the murder.
What's insane is that our government does this to law abiding citizensw!!!! I'm outraged and disgusted...EF the 'brotherhood'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUzzrjBo_HU&sns=fb
Law abiding? Really !!!
Funny how they don't believe in 'conspiracies' until it suits them.
Scary direction they're taking us...
I'm sorry but at about seven seconds of this video, he reaches to his waist and then it looks like he has "something" in his hand....perhaps someone can enlarge THAT still. pic.....
I realize that you are upset and outraged over this incident but the fact remains....Had he exited the vehicle and hit the ground he would be ALIVE...... |
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| musikmaker - 2016-01-29 10:14 AM
jbhoot - 2016-01-29 9:10 AM musikmaker - 2016-01-29 10:01 AM Here's a 13 second enhanced video of the murder.
What's insane is that our government does this to law abiding citizensw!!!! I'm outraged and disgusted...EF the 'brotherhood'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUzzrjBo_HU&sns=fb
Law abiding? Really !!!
Funny how they don't believe in 'conspiracies' until it suits them.
Scary direction they're taking us...
Oh come on you are way smarter than that. I can think of several and so can you. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | NJJ - 2016-01-29 10:31 AM musikmaker - 2016-01-29 10:14 AM jbhoot - 2016-01-29 9:10 AM musikmaker - 2016-01-29 10:01 AM Here's a 13 second enhanced video of the murder.
What's insane is that our government does this to law abiding citizensw!!!! I'm outraged and disgusted...EF the 'brotherhood'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUzzrjBo_HU&sns=fb
Law abiding? Really !!!
Funny how they don't believe in 'conspiracies' until it suits them.
Scary direction they're taking us...
I realize that you are upset and outraged over this incident but the fact remains....Had he exited the vehicle and hit the ground he would be ALIVE......
I watched that video too and it looks like he was going for his waist a few times and it did look like he finally got something out, and I agree as soon as he got out of the truck he should had hit the snow and layed there. What a sad deal... |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | NJJ - 2016-01-29 9:31 AM musikmaker - 2016-01-29 10:14 AM jbhoot - 2016-01-29 9:10 AM musikmaker - 2016-01-29 10:01 AM Here's a 13 second enhanced video of the murder.
What's insane is that our government does this to law abiding citizensw!!!! I'm outraged and disgusted...EF the 'brotherhood'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUzzrjBo_HU&sns=fb
Law abiding? Really !!!
Funny how they don't believe in 'conspiracies' until it suits them.
Scary direction they're taking us...
I realize that you are upset and outraged over this incident but the fact remains....Had he exited the vehicle and hit the ground he would be ALIVE......
They were shooting at the vehicle before this...his attitude was Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death...no doubt about that, I admire it, myself, he said many times that nobody needed to die over this...our government is out of control. Period.
I'm outraged at the willinigness of the people to get over it so easily...because, believe me, if we fail to hold our leo's, our government and our citizens responsible now then we're headed down Merle's hill like that snowball headed for hell.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | jbhoot - 2016-01-29 10:36 AM musikmaker - 2016-01-29 10:14 AM jbhoot - 2016-01-29 9:10 AM musikmaker - 2016-01-29 10:01 AM Here's a 13 second enhanced video of the murder.
What's insane is that our government does this to law abiding citizensw!!!! I'm outraged and disgusted...EF the 'brotherhood'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUzzrjBo_HU&sns=fb
Law abiding? Really !!!
Funny how they don't believe in 'conspiracies' until it suits them.
Scary direction they're taking us...
Oh come on you are way smarter than that. I can think of several and so can you.
These MEN were armed and strutted around with assault rifles DARING LE to intervene for weeks........If they were on a city street, they would have been gunned down long before now........ |
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| 1DSoon - 2016-01-28 8:48 AM FinneyQuarterHorses - 2016-01-27 9:41 PM www.oregonlive.com has covered the entire occupation. You probably shouldn't repeat things from anti-government militia websites unless you want people to get the wrong idea, like it depends on what color the victim is whether you stand with police force. You should take particular note of the video and testimony of the driver of one of the Bundy vehicles explaining what Finicum did prior to being shot. It is surprisingly similar to police accounts. As for where they were going, it was to John Day to promote more violence, not to meet agents. Please educate yourselves on the facts, and for the sake of real ranchers quit calling those idiot welfare queen, anti-American dirtbags "Ranchers" . It gives us all a bad name and the people who are home working and taking care of their stock and families don't deserve to be painted with the same brush in the national media. I'm glad to see at least one like minded socialist on this board.
I thought I was surrounded by uneducated right wing nut jobs.
Finney you are exactly right I have no idea why the Government is putting up with this nonsense. should have been ended weeks ago by any means necassary.
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | jbhoot - 2016-01-29 9:36 AM musikmaker - 2016-01-29 10:14 AM jbhoot - 2016-01-29 9:10 AM musikmaker - 2016-01-29 10:01 AM Here's a 13 second enhanced video of the murder.
What's insane is that our government does this to law abiding citizensw!!!! I'm outraged and disgusted...EF the 'brotherhood'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUzzrjBo_HU&sns=fb
Law abiding? Really !!!
Funny how they don't believe in 'conspiracies' until it suits them.
Scary direction they're taking us...
Oh come on you are way smarter than that. I can think of several and so can you.
There's a 'ton' of rules and regs that are not Constitutional that they broke...yup. Otherwise, I guess I'm not as smart as you think! lol...
It was an ambush...they carefully laid the the trap and created a situation that would allow for the murder of American Citizens that had, perhaps, broken some vague rules, but, seriously, they were not 'criminals' in the sense of being dangerous to anyone except the powers that be...they were and are dangerous to someone I'd say, who do you think that is?
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | NJJ - 2016-01-29 9:46 AM jbhoot - 2016-01-29 10:36 AM musikmaker - 2016-01-29 10:14 AM jbhoot - 2016-01-29 9:10 AM musikmaker - 2016-01-29 10:01 AM Here's a 13 second enhanced video of the murder.
What's insane is that our government does this to law abiding citizensw!!!! I'm outraged and disgusted...EF the 'brotherhood'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUzzrjBo_HU&sns=fb
Law abiding? Really !!!
Funny how they don't believe in 'conspiracies' until it suits them.
Scary direction they're taking us...
Oh come on you are way smarter than that. I can think of several and so can you.
Strutted around with ASSAULT rifles? Goodness...I don't know where you got that info.
And, they HAVE been in the community, on the 'city streets', giving classes, talking to and educating the locals as to how they can get their ranches and land back, They've met with the sheriff, the fbi, media.
I don't understand the visual you must have that men who are legally armed and have not threatened or harmed anyone could be 'gunned down' in our streets...or anywhere!
I'm sorry...I cannot express what I feel and know to be true if there's not a 'spark' in anothers heart or head that is trying to 'grasp' it...what liberty means, what freedom and states rights represent.
Have a good one...I will continue to hope and pray for everyone.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | As far as I can tell, this guy was shot by the LEO because it appeared that he might have been making a move toward a shoulder holdster. Here we have a man who, rightly or wrongly, declared that he preferred to go down in a hail of gunfire rather than go to jail....a man who was felt to be most likely armed.....a man who ran through a roadblock and nearly plunked a LEO while attempting to run through a second. He exits the vehicle, arms raised, surrounded by LEOs. He reaches down with his right hand toward his left shoulder/chest. The LEO has less than a second to react. Given these circumstances, it seems to me that the cop acted appropriately. I cant say that I blame him. He screwed around and he should have known that he was taking a risk. If I am surrounded by cops with drawn weapons and am painted with laser dots, I'm going to raise my hands and drop to my knees or lay flat on the ground.......unless I want to take a chance at getting killed. He screwed around, he gambled, and he lost.
If this same scenario had taken place in South Chicago or some ghetto, and if the man had been some black punk, I doubt many people would find fault in the cops shooting him.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Bear - 2016-01-29 11:24 AM As far as I can tell, this guy was shot by the LEO because it appeared that he might have been making a move toward a shoulder holdster. Here we have a man who, rightly or wrongly, declared that he preferred to go down in a hail of gunfire rather than go to jail....a man who was felt to be most likely armed.....a man who ran through a roadblock and nearly plunked a LEO while attempting to run through a second. He exits the vehicle, arms raised, surrounded by LEOs. He reaches down with his right hand toward his left shoulder/chest. The LEO has less than a second to react. Given these circumstances, it seems to me that the cop acted appropriately. I cant say that I blame him. He screwed around and he should have known that he was taking a risk. If I am surrounded by cops with drawn weapons and am painted with laser dots, I'm going to raise my hands and drop to my knees or lay flat on the ground.......unless I want to take a chance at getting killed. He screwed around, he gambled, and he lost.
The last time he reached down it did look like he had pulled something out and had it in his hand. I think he was wrong should had just droped to the ground and layed there. This may have been what he wanted, sad to think. |
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