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christylynn89
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For cow/reiners... I disliked working with Gallo Del Cielo "Rooster" bred horses when I worked at a reining training facility. They were dumb and extremely stubborn and untrustworthy and lazy. Seriously had the worst work ethic, tried anything to get out of doing their jobs. Plus they had the ugliest heads and conformation. Smart Spooks were another that I was not a fan of. They were very lazy and had quite a poor work ethic and stubborn attitude. Doc O Lena's and Smart Little Lenas, Freckles Playboy's and Topsail Whiz's are very athletic catty and smart horses but they have to have a job to do or they get bored. I love my Appendix Doc Quixote/ Peponita mare. Super athletic and has a huge heart and great work ethic. Wimpy Little Steps were my one of my favorites to work with because they have a great mind and attitude-very humble. They make a great cross on a super hot mare. Dun Gotta Gun horses are gorgeous and fun to ride but everyone I have seen had very pencil thin bones, tiny hooves and a club foot.

I agree with everyone on the Impressive bred mares. The one I use to have was crazy and very unpredictable. She would be standing quietly at the trailer and then 3 seconds later be pulling back for no reason. I didn't have any issues with her bucking but she was lazy! You literally had to ask for every little step and she was too lazy to buck! She was extremely easy to break though.

Right now I'm currently loving my Bulldashus (Bully Bullion X Dash Ta Fame ) X Texas High Dasher Cross filly and my Fire On Bug gelding. Both have great attitudes, love to be worked and are very talented

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christylynn89 - 2016-03-21 3:23 PM

For cow/reiners... I disliked working with Gallo Del Cielo "Rooster" bred horses when I worked at a reining training facility. They were dumb and extremely stubborn and untrustworthy and lazy. Seriously had the worst work ethic, tried anything to get out of doing their jobs. Plus they had the ugliest heads and conformation. Smart Spooks were another that I was not a fan of. They were very lazy and had quite a poor work ethic and stubborn attitude. Doc O Lena's and Smart Little Lenas, Freckles Playboy's and Topsail Whiz's are very athletic catty and smart horses but they have to have a job to do or they get bored. I love my Appendix Doc Quixote/ Peponita mare. Super athletic and has a huge heart and great work ethic. Wimpy Little Steps were my one of my favorites to work with because they have a great mind and attitude-very humble. They make a great cross on a super hot mare. Dun Gotta Gun horses are gorgeous and fun to ride but everyone I have seen has had very pencil thin bones tiny tiny hooves and a club foot.

I agree with everyone on the Impressive bred mares. The one I use to have was crazy and very unpredictable. She would be standing quietly at the trailer and then 3 seconds later be pulling back for no reason. I didn't have any issues with her bucking but she was lazy! You literally had to ask for every little step and she was too lazy to buck! She was extremely easy to break though.

Right now I'm currently loving my Bulldashus (Bully Bullion X Dash Ta Fame ) X Texas High Dasher Cross filly and my Fire On Bug gelding. Both have great attitudes, love to be worked and are very talented

I also heard that "Roosters" were a hit or miss type. My hubby had a filly by him and she was super quick and light on her feet when she was young but right before he was able to break her she died from a disease.
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christylynn89
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christylynn89 - 2016-03-21 3:23 PM

For cow/reiners... I disliked working with Gallo Del Cielo "Rooster" bred horses when I worked at a reining training facility. They were dumb and extremely stubborn and untrustworthy and lazy. Seriously had the worst work ethic, tried anything to get out of doing their jobs. Plus they had the ugliest heads and conformation. Smart Spooks were another that I was not a fan of. They were very lazy and had quite a poor work ethic and stubborn attitude. Doc O Lena's and Smart Little Lenas, Freckles Playboy's and Topsail Whiz's are very athletic catty and smart horses but they have to have a job to do or they get bored. I love my Appendix Doc Quixote/ Peponita mare. Super athletic and has a huge heart and great work ethic. Wimpy Little Steps were my one of my favorites to work with because they have a great mind and attitude-very humble. They make a great cross on a super hot mare. Dun Gotta Gun horses are gorgeous and fun to ride but everyone I have seen has had very pencil thin bones tiny tiny hooves and a club foot.

I agree with everyone on the Impressive bred mares. The one I use to have was crazy and very unpredictable. She would be standing quietly at the trailer and then 3 seconds later be pulling back for no reason. I didn't have any issues with her bucking but she was lazy! You literally had to ask for every little step and she was too lazy to buck! She was extremely easy to break though.

Right now I'm currently loving my Bulldashus (Bully Bullion X Dash Ta Fame ) X Texas High Dasher Cross filly and my Fire On Bug gelding. Both have great attitudes, love to be worked and are very talented

I also heard that "Roosters" were a hit or miss type. My hubby had a filly by him and she was super quick and light on her feet when she was young but right before he was able to break her she died from a disease.

So sorry to hear that. I agree, they did have two Rooster bred horses out of their breeding program that were nice to work with but the other 5 that were all bred similarly were more like what I described. They were hoping to copy the attitude of the two that stood out but unfortunately it didn't happen that way lol.. joys of breeding!
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ruggedchica
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Couldn't give me one that has either Docs Zimfandel or Obvious Conclusion in there.  Had own sons of both of these years ago and they were dangerous fruitloops...one hurt me bad and the other I got dang lucky on.  

 
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cecollins0811 - 2016-03-21 7:57 AM

MOGirl07 - 2016-03-18 12:54 PM

I've scanned this thread, sorry if this one has been mentioned already, but I've always been curious what's said about CS Flashlight and if anyone has had any experience with his offspring?

Bump. Curious as well!

I want one but havent heard anything. . .
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RockyMountainRacer - 2016-03-20 11:48 PM

I've also noticed the Lenas liking to nibble on things. Not necessarily cribbing, but if they're tied they might chew on their lead ropes or throw blankets if they can reach them. Once I left a practice bridle within reach of the mare mentioned above. Turned around for 30 seconds to get my spurs and I came back to one of my split reins in her mouth I'm just glad my own stupidity only cost me some damaged practice reins and not any of my good ones...

I worked with a now 4yo Lena gelding, and he loved to chew on EVERYTHING. We actually had to start using an old chain to show halter because all he did was chew on the chain the whole time he is in the pen. We tried training it out of him, but it's like his stress coping activity and he gets really upset if he isn't doing something with his mouth. He's just a hard worker and has to be doing something is all we could gather from it. haha
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Griz - 2016-03-14 10:04 AM We need an acronym legend. When people use acronyms when it comes to studs, MOST of the time, I haven't a CLUE who they are talking about - but I'm SLOW like that!
Me too! I've been racking my brain all morning for what TEJ means?!?!? Something Easy Jet?
That's what Google is for... just be sure to enter the word 'Stallion'. (but even I know that TEJ is Two Eyed Jack) Notice how they violated his tail....

Two Eyed Jack was raised close by me in McHenry, IL and was owned by HH Mass. Many of us were thrilled when he went to the Pitzer Ranch in NE so we wouldn't have to ride them..LOL  As far as his tail...back then roached manes and short tails to the hock was the norm.
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ruggedchica - 2016-03-21 7:48 PM Couldn't give me one that has either Docs Zimfandel or Obvious Conclusion in there.  Had own sons of both of these years ago and they were dangerous fruitloops...one hurt me bad and the other I got dang lucky on.  



 

I had a son of Obvious Conclusion. He was big, athletic and gorgeous and had zero work ethic. He spent more energy trying to get out of work rather then just doing it..Never again.

 
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christylynn89 - 2016-03-21 3:23 PM For cow/reiners... I disliked working with Gallo Del Cielo "Rooster" bred horses when I worked at a reining training facility. They were dumb and extremely stubborn and untrustworthy and lazy. Seriously had the worst work ethic, tried anything to get out of doing their jobs. Plus they had the ugliest heads and conformation. Smart Spooks were another that I was not a fan of. They were very lazy and had quite a poor work ethic and stubborn attitude. Doc O Lena's and Smart Little Lenas, Freckles Playboy's and Topsail Whiz's are very athletic catty and smart horses but they have to have a job to do or they get bored. I love my Appendix Doc Quixote/ Peponita mare. Super athletic and has a huge heart and great work ethic. Wimpy Little Steps were my one of my favorites to work with because they have a great mind and attitude-very humble. They make a great cross on a super hot mare. Dun Gotta Gun horses are gorgeous and fun to ride but everyone I have seen had very pencil thin bones, tiny hooves and a club foot. I agree with everyone on the Impressive bred mares. The one I use to have was crazy and very unpredictable. She would be standing quietly at the trailer and then 3 seconds later be pulling back for no reason. I didn't have any issues with her bucking but she was lazy! You literally had to ask for every little step and she was too lazy to buck! She was extremely easy to break though. Right now I'm currently loving my Bulldashus (Bully Bullion X Dash Ta Fame ) X Texas High Dasher Cross filly and my Fire On Bug gelding. Both have great attitudes, love to be worked and are very talented

That is funny about the Roosters. I worked with 2 filies and hated them. But it was because they were flighty and refused to even try to get along. They were anything but lazy. Almost nasty about their attitude but it wasn't because they were expected to work. They were just sensitive to the point of almost being dangerous.  Hated the Duel Peps too. But I only worked with colts by him. Maybe the female version were better. They were lazy and stubborn IMO. 
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ruggedchica - 2016-03-21 7:48 PM Couldn't give me one that has either Docs Zimfandel or Obvious Conclusion in there.  Had own sons of both of these years ago and they were dangerous fruitloops...one hurt me bad and the other I got dang lucky on.  



 
I had a son of Obvious Conclusion. He was big, athletic and gorgeous and had zero work ethic. He spent more energy trying to get out of work rather then just doing it..Never again.



 

Rode several that went to Ima Cool Skip that were the same way. All were out of cowbred or ranch type mares and they were worthless.  
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RockyMountainRacer - 2016-03-20 11:48 PM

I've also noticed the Lenas liking to nibble on things. Not necessarily cribbing, but if they're tied they might chew on their lead ropes or throw blankets if they can reach them. Once I left a practice bridle within reach of the mare mentioned above. Turned around for 30 seconds to get my spurs and I came back to one of my split reins in her mouth I'm just glad my own stupidity only cost me some damaged practice reins and not any of my good ones...

I worked with a now 4yo Lena gelding, and he loved to chew on EVERYTHING. We actually had to start using an old chain to show halter because all he did was chew on the chain the whole time he is in the pen. We tried training it out of him, but it's like his stress coping activity and he gets really upset if he isn't doing something with his mouth. He's just a hard worker and has to be doing something is all we could gather from it. haha

My university has a colt sale every year. I was in the Equine Center and noticed one of the colts chewing on his rope like my mare does. I looked up his pedigree and sure enough, he's got CD Olena on his dam's side.
Its not a bad thing, just a quirk. But don't leave any good bridles within their reach.
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RockyMountainRacer - 2016-03-20 11:48 PM

I've also noticed the Lenas liking to nibble on things. Not necessarily cribbing, but if they're tied they might chew on their lead ropes or throw blankets if they can reach them. Once I left a practice bridle within reach of the mare mentioned above. Turned around for 30 seconds to get my spurs and I came back to one of my split reins in her mouth I'm just glad my own stupidity only cost me some damaged practice reins and not any of my good ones...

I worked with a now 4yo Lena gelding, and he loved to chew on EVERYTHING. We actually had to start using an old chain to show halter because all he did was chew on the chain the whole time he is in the pen. We tried training it out of him, but it's like his stress coping activity and he gets really upset if he isn't doing something with his mouth. He's just a hard worker and has to be doing something is all we could gather from it. haha

My university has a colt sale every year. I was in the Equine Center and noticed one of the colts chewing on his rope like my mare does. I looked up his pedigree and sure enough, he's got CD Olena on his dam's side.
Its not a bad thing, just a quirk. But don't leave any good bridles within their reach.
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What about Biankus and Lucky Blanton? Kinda random but I'm curious 
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My grulla mare is GD on the top side of Robbie's Rooster. She has an incredible work ethic. She has really odd, quirky ways, but, she has the kindest disposition. She gets bored, very quickly. And, has quite the gritty personality. But, very in your pocket... if I am anywhere near her, she wants to be with me. I haven't heard much about the 'Rooster' bred horses.

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Ashley Lynn
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I'm a Fame person. The mares are a tick needy and hot, but they try so hard. I don't get along with Streakin Six or OTMR- neither fit me at all. They fight! And the FG are a little too dull and lazy in my opinion. As far as cowbreds go- I LOVE High Brow Cats, Handlebar Doc, and Playgun. We also have a Peptoboonsmal 5 year old that is an athlete delux. You don't have to beg him to do anything- once you show him something once he excels at it.
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I had a Special effort gelding, he was probably the most mellow horse I ever owned. But gosh darn, if he saw a squirrel his world would fall apart! The littlest things scared him to most.

My luck with Beduino, he was hot hot hot when I first got him, but with training and TIME, he was also very mellow and I used him for my lesson horse. Basically when he found out he couldn't walk all over us, he got amazing. Only horse I've ever been able to run a barrel pattern completely tackless and bridleless! One of my favorites.

Bugs Alive in 75 is probably my favorite bloodline out there! I've had 4 (Yes 4!) all related siblings and they have been the best horses (and fastests, always in the 1D at big super shows). Very hard workers and willing to please.

Another one I haven't seen on here is Dunnit with a Twist. Mix that with Bugs Alive in 75, and you will get a to DIE for horse. I would purchase another one in a heart beat!!!

One horse I absolutely won't own is a Corona Cartel. I've heard / seen way to many bad things about their legs and confirmation, they usually don't hold up well and are always on the lame side.

?I also had an On The Money Red. That horse was "its my way or the highway" and there was just no getting around that. If he wasn't a 1D horse he would have been kicked out of my barn for sure! 
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mbcruel21 - 2016-03-16 7:42 AM

These threads always amuse me. I run a mare that is DFc/Beduino on top and Two Eyed Jack/Skipper W on the bottom. She did buck when she was a 2 and 3 yr old but once she matured she was fine.  I think a lot of time, time plays a bigger factor than anything, people quit one before they invest the time in the them to get something accomplished.
Racebred horses in a lot of cases are the same way, they are wired a little tighter and need the TIME invested in them. I am currently seasoning a filly that was in race training as a 2 and 3 yr old, they never really got anything done with her because she was just another colt in the barn to them and it was slap a exercise rider on her, hot walker, stall...rinse wash repeat. She got sent home and turned out for 6 months and then I started her. She spent 90 days pasture riding and getting broke, lots of time invested by someone who is a great hand. She is the type that when something scares her she is going somewhere else. I spent most all of last year sitting in a warm up pen with team ropers being team ropers and her trying to come out of her skin. TIME. She was patterened slow and everything was done easy and correct. She is very talented and honestly the sweetest kindest horse we own but it took us putting the time into her, she grew up and matured and let her do it on her schedule. I feel like a lot of time breeding gets blamed for people wanting to rush training and maturity, honestly a lot of time its nots the breeding its the training. Some bloodlines are more user friendly without a doubt.

We own a Mr Jess Perry son, who is easy going, takes everything in stride and so far all of his babies have been the same way. They are born wanting to please.  My FIL owns a Corona Cartel son and his babies are ones that need the time invested in them, when people put the time in them they work.  


Thank you!!! I get so tired of trying to explain this to people who stereotype racehorses as "crazy"
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How about Top Moon bred horses? I just got a mare that is cow bred on top and running bred on bottom. She is sweet as pie as far as her personality goes, but can get hot under saddle.
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lsmith - 2016-03-24 7:35 PM

What about Biankus and Lucky Blanton? Kinda random but I'm curious 

I have a mare that goes to Lucky Blanton WAAAAAYYYYYY back. I doubt there's any influence that hasn't come from something closer. She's also PSB and Par Three on top with old TB breeding on the bottom. She's got a great work ethic, she's sweet and honest but cinchy when you first saddle her. Never been a bucker. Great bone and feet.

The Biankus' I've had have been by Captain Biankus or a son of his. They are SMART! If you don't respect their intelligence or try to bully them, they will make you pay. I bought a complete outlaw (sellers description) daughter of Captain a few years ago. They couldn't catch her, she'd double barrel kick at them. Just a nightmare of a horse. When I got her home I just ignored her. Went about my business without trying to force myself on her. I never had a bit of trouble with her. She was a little watchy when I tried to catch her so I started feeding her treats without trying to catch her. All of the Biankus horses I've had have BOUGHT from other people have been suspicious of people at first, some get over it with kind handling, some never do. But you can't force them into anything. You have to be respectful of their intellect or you won't get along well. The ones I have raised by my JOH son haven't been the same. But I don't force them either.
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christylynn89 - 2016-03-21 3:23 PM For cow/reiners... I disliked working with Gallo Del Cielo "Rooster" bred horses when I worked at a reining training facility. They were dumb and extremely stubborn and untrustworthy and lazy. Seriously had the worst work ethic, tried anything to get out of doing their jobs. Plus they had the ugliest heads and conformation. Smart Spooks were another that I was not a fan of. They were very lazy and had quite a poor work ethic and stubborn attitude. Doc O Lena's and Smart Little Lenas, Freckles Playboy's and Topsail Whiz's are very athletic catty and smart horses but they have to have a job to do or they get bored. I love my Appendix Doc Quixote/ Peponita mare. Super athletic and has a huge heart and great work ethic. Wimpy Little Steps were my one of my favorites to work with because they have a great mind and attitude-very humble. They make a great cross on a super hot mare. Dun Gotta Gun horses are gorgeous and fun to ride but everyone I have seen has had very pencil thin bones tiny tiny hooves and a club foot. I agree with everyone on the Impressive bred mares. The one I use to have was crazy and very unpredictable. She would be standing quietly at the trailer and then 3 seconds later be pulling back for no reason. I didn't have any issues with her bucking but she was lazy! You literally had to ask for every little step and she was too lazy to buck! She was extremely easy to break though. Right now I'm currently loving my Bulldashus (Bully Bullion X Dash Ta Fame ) X Texas High Dasher Cross filly and my Fire On Bug gelding. Both have great attitudes, love to be worked and are very talented
I also heard that "Roosters" were a hit or miss type. My hubby had a filly by him and she was super quick and light on her feet when she was young but right before he was able to break her she died from a disease.

A friend of mine has a daughter of Rooster that was a 1D horse. A great and good looking mare. She developed strange allergies that the best vets could not explain, and was a bleeder.  Because of her health issues she was retired.
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