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| barrelracer1983 - 2016-04-07 11:23 AM
turnnburnkota - 2016-04-07 8:54 AM
Reminds me of being at the NBHA race in Vegas, stalled next to someone who left their horse's stall full of pee, adding to the horrible ammonia smell that place ends up having that burns your nose, but don't worry, they put those nasal strips on their horse so he could breathe! 
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..... I have also witnessed this. Plus they give their horse 15 different supplements when they feed, 2 shots, 3 different pastes, (which are then just thrown in front of the stall) and are all decked out in BOT or PHT stuff, a hood and blanket.
Why would they spend so much time, effort and money on their horse and then they are so lazy they let them stand in a nasty wet urine filled stall for a freaking week. | |
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Location: "...way down south in the Everglades..." | horsiace1025 - 2016-04-07 2:18 PM This is a little off topic since Iv never even seen a theraplate in person. . . but I too ran playdays when I was a kid, and each horse ran 4-5 events a day. We hauled in a stock trailer, didnt know what leg boots were, or linament, and never had an issue. Im totally the opposite now and the biggest reason is the horses I rode then were 3d barrel horses that came from a long line of nothing but work horses. If you have a "well bred" horse now days, they are a lot more sensitive to things than they used to be. Partly because they have been bred that way. They put more effort into a run that my horses did when I was a kid too.
Not sure I agree with the putting more effort in, but the rest I agree with. Now they are bred with plenty of Thoroughbred influence. Changed the game from those stocky old bulldog foundation QH's. Look at bone structure alone from the horses that ran barrels back in the 50's/60's to today's bunch. But are today's horses faster? By and far, yes I believe they are. So it's the price we pay in a sense.
Back to Theraplate, I've seen it at the big races, I am skeptical and am not interested in it, but if someone believes it helps their horse then go for it. Unless some study comes out saying it's harmful then really it's a personal preference for people and I don't fault anyone for choosing or not choosing to do it (or any other therapy. ) | |
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Location: So Cal | rodeoveteran - 2016-04-07 10:09 AM
And as far as walking a horse out, after a 15 second run, if the walk back to the trailer is not sufficient then I am doing something wrong. My friend walked my horses out for a half hour after making a run and it piffed my ponies off.
It might be "sufficient" for them to catch their air, and I'm not saying you're going to kill your horse by just walking them back, but in my experience, I tend to have a lot less problems with my horse being stiff when I go back to have her move again. She is naturally "tight" by nature so the more walking the better, before runs, after runs, at home she has a big pen and wanders around on her own. | |
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| horsiace1025 - 2016-04-07 1:18 PM
This is a little off topic since Iv never even seen a theraplate in person. . . but I too ran playdays when I was a kid, and each horse ran 4-5 events a day. We hauled in a stock trailer, didnt know what leg boots were, or linament, and never had an issue. Im totally the opposite now and the biggest reason is the horses I rode then were 3d barrel horses that came from a long line of nothing but work horses. If you have a "well bred" horse now days, they are a lot more sensitive to things than they used to be. Partly because they have been bred that way. They put more effort into a run that my horses did when I was a kid too.
Exactly. And with athletes that are running those speeds and doing that damage, you have the treatment methods popping up that may or may not actually be doing anything. My mare loves the theraplate at her aquatread facility. She stands up there and looks smug. Is it doing jack? Well, no idea, but I promise you the whole world would know if it bothered the Queen one little bit.
There's tons and tons of treatments out there, but really, I'm not even so sure that just the plain human interaction and care of the animals being treated isn't what is truly the best thing for them. A horse on a theraplate is one that's getting petted, and talked to, and messed with. That must take the mind in a different direction than the soreness or what have you they are experiencing.
For people that have nice performance horses in their barn to say that they have seen them work, I'm not about to gainsay them. I think it's amazing for people to try to be in tune with their animals, and doing what they think is good for them.
The people that I roll my eyes at are the ones that say, "It's just a horse. It's just a tool. He's never been to the vet. He doesn't need to go to the vet. He's not sore, you're just making things up. My shoer does a good job, they're not supposed to have any heel. I give him _____supplement, I don't believe in essential oils (then reads back of package), Oh, I guess it's got essential oils in it. He bled from both nostrils, I guess he gets tomorrow off. He limps unless I give him bute, but then he's fine, we entered slack. I don't care, seventeen seconds of work isn't going to kill him." Blah, blah, blah.
I think we need to be as informed as we possibly can make ourselves, but I'm old enough to know that there's voodoo out there that shouldn't work, can't work, that really is just the ticket. You've just never lived until you've been totally skeptical of some voodoo/magic spell shtttt and it works right in front of your eyes...but none of this is ever a replacement for time spent with your horse, keen observation, and knowing when to stop doing whatever it is you're doing and seek help.
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | classicpotatochip - 2016-04-07 2:08 PM horsiace1025 - 2016-04-07 1:18 PM This is a little off topic since Iv never even seen a theraplate in person. . . but I too ran playdays when I was a kid, and each horse ran 4-5 events a day. We hauled in a stock trailer, didnt know what leg boots were, or linament, and never had an issue. Im totally the opposite now and the biggest reason is the horses I rode then were 3d barrel horses that came from a long line of nothing but work horses. If you have a "well bred" horse now days, they are a lot more sensitive to things than they used to be. Partly because they have been bred that way. They put more effort into a run that my horses did when I was a kid too. Exactly. And with athletes that are running those speeds and doing that damage, you have the treatment methods popping up that may or may not actually be doing anything. My mare loves the theraplate at her aquatread facility. She stands up there and looks smug. Is it doing jack? Well, no idea, but I promise you the whole world would know if it bothered the Queen one little bit. There's tons and tons of treatments out there, but really, I'm not even so sure that just the plain human interaction and care of the animals being treated isn't what is truly the best thing for them. A horse on a theraplate is one that's getting petted, and talked to, and messed with. That must take the mind in a different direction than the soreness or what have you they are experiencing. For people that have nice performance horses in their barn to say that they have seen them work, I'm not about to gainsay them. I think it's amazing for people to try to be in tune with their animals, and doing what they think is good for them. The people that I roll my eyes at are the ones that say, "It's just a horse. It's just a tool. He's never been to the vet. He doesn't need to go to the vet. He's not sore, you're just making things up. My shoer does a good job, they're not supposed to have any heel. I give him _____supplement, I don't believe in essential oils (then reads back of package ), Oh, I guess it's got essential oils in it. He bled from both nostrils, I guess he gets tomorrow off. He limps unless I give him bute, but then he's fine, we entered slack. I don't care, seventeen seconds of work isn't going to kill him." Blah, blah, blah. I think we need to be as informed as we possibly can make ourselves, but I'm old enough to know that there's voodoo out there that shouldn't work, can't work, that really is just the ticket. You've just never lived until you've been totally skeptical of some voodoo/magic spell shtttt and it works right in front of your eyes...but none of this is ever a replacement for time spent with your horse, keen observation, and knowing when to stop doing whatever it is you're doing and seek help.
This. My mare loves the Equivibe, and she will actually look for it at events and stand on it alone with noone around. But she would also be the first one to say something about it if she hated it. I owe her more than anything and if standing on a vibration plate makes her happy, she can stand on it all day! LOL
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| classicpotatochip - 2016-04-07 2:08 PM
horsiace1025 - 2016-04-07 1:18 PM
This is a little off topic since Iv never even seen a theraplate in person. . . but I too ran playdays when I was a kid, and each horse ran 4-5 events a day. We hauled in a stock trailer, didnt know what leg boots were, or linament, and never had an issue. Im totally the opposite now and the biggest reason is the horses I rode then were 3d barrel horses that came from a long line of nothing but work horses. If you have a "well bred" horse now days, they are a lot more sensitive to things than they used to be. Partly because they have been bred that way. They put more effort into a run that my horses did when I was a kid too.
Exactly. And with athletes that are running those speeds and doing that damage, you have the treatment methods popping up that may or may not actually be doing anything. My mare loves the theraplate at her aquatread facility. She stands up there and looks smug. Is it doing jack? Well, no idea, but I promise you the whole world would know if it bothered the Queen one little bit.
There's tons and tons of treatments out there, but really, I'm not even so sure that just the plain human interaction and care of the animals being treated isn't what is truly the best thing for them. A horse on a theraplate is one that's getting petted, and talked to, and messed with. That must take the mind in a different direction than the soreness or what have you they are experiencing.
For people that have nice performance horses in their barn to say that they have seen them work, I'm not about to gainsay them. I think it's amazing for people to try to be in tune with their animals, and doing what they think is good for them.
The people that I roll my eyes at are the ones that say, "It's just a horse. It's just a tool. He's never been to the vet. He doesn't need to go to the vet. He's not sore, you're just making things up. My shoer does a good job, they're not supposed to have any heel. I give him _____supplement, I don't believe in essential oils (then reads back of package ), Oh, I guess it's got essential oils in it. He bled from both nostrils, I guess he gets tomorrow off. He limps unless I give him bute, but then he's fine, we entered slack. I don't care, seventeen seconds of work isn't going to kill him." Blah, blah, blah.
I think we need to be as informed as we possibly can make ourselves, but I'm old enough to know that there's voodoo out there that shouldn't work, can't work, that really is just the ticket. You've just never lived until you've been totally skeptical of some voodoo/magic spell shtttt and it works right in front of your eyes...but none of this is ever a replacement for time spent with your horse, keen observation, and knowing when to stop doing whatever it is you're doing and seek help.
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Location: Florida.. | turnnburnkota - 2016-04-07 3:04 PM rodeoveteran - 2016-04-07 10:09 AM And as far as walking a horse out, after a 15 second run, if the walk back to the trailer is not sufficient then I am doing something wrong. My friend walked my horses out for a half hour after making a run and it piffed my ponies off. It might be "sufficient" for them to catch their air, and I'm not saying you're going to kill your horse by just walking them back, but in my experience, I tend to have a lot less problems with my horse being stiff when I go back to have her move again. She is naturally "tight" by nature so the more walking the better, before runs, after runs, at home she has a big pen and wanders around on her own.
depends how far the trailer is..for the horse to exert its muscles like that and not cool off the muscles it has a chance of tying up...half hour is excessive but you should cool them off.. the muscles need it..no matter how fit they are.. but we all do it differant.. | |
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Location: cincinnati, oh | I'm going to zip up my flame suit.... I have used a vibe plate on my horse. I felt like it helped with some muscle soreness but its not a cure all. I have heard first hand people say that it can replace exercising your horse. I dont believe that hooey for a minute. NOTHING replaces saddle time. No swimming pool, aquatred, vibe plate, etc will replace good old fashioned saddle time! I have personally listened to someone that owns a rehab facility tell people that it will help horses that are bleeders to no longer bleed, it will fix soft tissue type injuries, tendon and suspensory injuries, speed healing for cuts and burns, treats navicular, speeds healing of broken bones, etc and I think its snake oil. | |
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Location: South MS | I have an Equivibe. Do I think it was a wise investment? No, not really - I only have one horse now - if I had several horses, and horses were my business instead of a hobby, I would say yes.
Does it work as advertised? I would say that it's not a "cure all" product but there are true benefits......just not what I had in mind (laughing at myself here)! I have serious back issues (L4/L5, sciatica, scoliosis) and I will stand on it for 10 minutes on "35" and I get an intense deep massage from it, relief for a little while and my back muscles really relax. So how does the horse benefit from it? - I use it to warm her up before riding and it's used to cool her down after riding. She's on it for 30 minutes each time. She moves more freely (relaxed) and isn't as stiff by the time she goes out for the evening. I'm guessing it works on her the way it works on me......deep massage......and she's on it at "50" for 10 of those minutes then 40, 30, and then base 10. She loves being on it, so it must be working right?! Does it cure stifle issues, grow better feet, etc? I'm not sold on that - I have a very good (and simple) feed program now and the only supplement she gets is MSM - and I think that's where most of her improvement has been from.
So to wrap it up - I think people want a quick fix from these machines and they aren't going to get it. To see any benefit, the horse would have to stay on the machine for a good length of time and a lot of people don't want to commit that much time to it and still have to work (take care of?!) the horse.
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Location: Sebeka, MN | Have to agree. Lots of people with nice horse don't clean a stall for a 3 day weekend. The barns make your nose burn when you walk through them. All the BOT and thereaplates in the world won't help the lung damage. | |
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Location: North Dakota | FlyingJT - 2016-04-06 11:42 AM rodeoveteran - 2016-04-06 11:30 AM FlyingJT - 2016-04-06 11:28 AM rodeoveteran - 2016-04-06 10:56 AM Buuut doctors are always telling me to apply ice and heat to injuries to increase circulation. The same thing with vets and trainers with all the ice boots, hosing, blistering, poultice and liniments. So what is up with that Doc? Heat opens up blood vessels increasing circulation, Cold constricts blood vessels decreasing blood flow which decreases inflammation. These are proven also.... I understand THAT. But according to the vet in this article, the circulatory system is closed so you CAN'T increase blood flow to a particular area. I think he means long term... You can heat an area up and dilate the vessels and increase circulation but as soon as you remove the heat it will return to it's normal state. For injuries we ice to help decrease inflammation and allow the area to heal, but as soon as we stop icing it swells again, that's why we do it several times a day.
Ohhh that makes more sense. I couldn't figure out where he was going with the "increasing circulation" thing. Anywho, my barn owner bought one and lets me use it whenever I want (when she's up here anyway, she goes south for the winter and takes it with her). I put my horse on it all last summer, in hopes of helping his KS. I really noticed no discernable difference. I don't think it's harmful, and heck, I will probably still use it since it's free, but would NEVER spend the money on one considering there really is no proof. | |
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Location: South MS | betsykuschel - 2016-04-08 9:20 AM Have to agree. Lots of people with nice horse don't clean a stall for a 3 day weekend. The barns make your nose burn when you walk through them. All the BOT and thereaplates in the world won't help the lung damage.
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Location: Running barrels or watching nascar | skeeter7 - 2016-04-08 6:47 AM
I'm going to zip up my flame suit.... I have used a vibe plate on my horse. I felt like it helped with some muscle soreness but its not a cure all. I have heard first hand people say that it can replace exercising your horse. I dont believe that hooey for a minute. NOTHING replaces saddle time. No swimming pool, aquatred, vibe plate, etc will replace good old fashioned saddle time! I have personally listened to someone that owns a rehab facility tell people that it will help horses that are bleeders to no longer bleed, it will fix soft tissue type injuries, tendon and suspensory injuries, speed healing for cuts and burns, treats navicular, speeds healing of broken bones, etc and I think its snake oil.
Yeah, swimming pools. I wish but I don't even live near one, well one for horses anyway lol. | |
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| highonsugar - 2016-04-08 9:43 AM
betsykuschel - 2016-04-08 9:20 AM Have to agree. Lots of people with nice horse don't clean a stall for a 3 day weekend. The barns make your nose burn when you walk through them. All the BOT  and thereaplates in the world won't help the lung damage.
I can't even imagine NOT cleaning out my horse's stall......even for an overnighter Â
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | Griz - 2016-04-08 11:14 AM highonsugar - 2016-04-08 9:43 AM betsykuschel - 2016-04-08 9:20 AM Have to agree. Lots of people with nice horse don't clean a stall for a 3 day weekend. The barns make your nose burn when you walk through them. All the BOT and thereaplates in the world won't help the lung damage. I can't even imagine NOT cleaning out my horse's stall......even for an overnighter ME NEITHER! I am a "turd removal FA-REAAK!"
When I am at an event I pick my stalls every few hours. I am picky but I always seem to be by somebody that either never cleans or cleans their stalls by dumping it into the aisle and leaving it all week. Disgusting!!! | |
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Location: South Central Florida | highonsugar - 2016-04-08 10:43 AM betsykuschel - 2016-04-08 9:20 AM Have to agree. Lots of people with nice horse don't clean a stall for a 3 day weekend. The barns make your nose burn when you walk through them. All the BOT and thereaplates in the world won't help the lung damage. I can't even imagine NOT cleaning out my horse's stall......even for an overnighter
We were stalled beside 2 people last year that NEVER CLEANED THE STALLS. Not once. They didn't even add more shavings the whole 8 or 9 days. It was horrible. I have seen some that were not great, but nothing like this. I should have taken photo's it was that bad.
We had a problem ourselves last year, for the first time we hauled big rubber mats for the whole week to put on the concrete. We have done it for short 3 days shows, but last year was the first year for the whole week+ on concrete.
My daughters mare didn't like or dislike the Thereplate at the shows we tried it, but I hated it when I stood on it, so I'm not really a big fan. I think thre may be some circumstances that it would work in but not all the time. Just my opinion.
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Location: **Cactus Country down in South Texas*** | Bibliafarm - 2016-04-07 9:12 PM
turnnburnkota - 2016-04-07 3:04 PM rodeoveteran - 2016-04-07 10:09 AM And as far as walking a horse out, after a 15 second run, if the walk back to the trailer is not sufficient then I am doing something wrong. My friend walked my horses out for a half hour after making a run and it piffed my ponies off. It might be "sufficient" for them to catch their air, and I'm not saying you're going to kill your horse by just walking them back, but in my experience, I tend to have a lot less problems with my horse being stiff when I go back to have her move again. She is naturally "tight" by nature so the more walking the better, before runs, after runs, at home she has a big pen and wanders around on her own.
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Location: Beggs, OK | fulltiltfilly - 2016-04-07 10:01 AM LabRat - 2016-04-06 12:59 PM Year after year, I see barrel racers pouring thousands of dollars in to alternative therapy, gadgets and treatments. All to which their horses continue to run about the same, with no drastic improvement. What's the cost/benefit factor? Peace of mind for yourself? What I guess I'm saying is a person sure can get carried away with the latest and greatest, and money might be better off spent on lessons and/or training as a way to improve their game. Back in the day when I did game shows, my horse did 6-12 events in a single day. He didn't get anything other then an absorbine bath afterwards. I fed him to the best of my knowledge then. No supplements, oral or IM. No PHT, no BOT. In between shows I trail rode. ALOT. For HOURS at at time. And you know what? He lived to be 30 with no issues. NONE. My point is makes me wonder about all this stuff too.....and for horses that don't really work that hard! (compared to race horses that WORK six days a week)
We have access to indoor arenas everywhere now too. Horses don't get the months of rest that they used to. That's going to change the game and require more maintenance as much as anything. Around her you can go any night of the week all year long....We didn't have that "back in the day". | |
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| Kry5ta1 - 2016-04-06 6:17 PM
This entire thread... is great. 
I agree... Yay for consumers in the barrel racing world to start developing some critical thinking skills!!! ?????? | |
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| trickster j - 2016-04-11 12:55 AM
Kry5ta1 - 2016-04-06 6:17 PM
This entire thread... is great.
I agree... Yay for consumers in the barrel racing world to start developing some critical thinking skills!!! ??????
I just wanna know who wants in on my frisbee deal?!?!?
Counter clock on the right hip can get you up to .2 faster!!
I've got 2 pro girls and 2 futurity girls lined up to do a commercial during the BBR webcast. Frisbees will come in sparkle, sugar skull, cheetah, and working on some beading/stone looks reminiscant of mad cow company gear.
Get them to match your PHT blankets, Hidez suits, and soft rides!! We can even color coordinate to your tie dye pants and helmets too!!!
Edited by astreakinchic 2016-04-11 9:02 AM
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