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Location: Broxton, Ga | slacy09 - 2016-10-12 7:58 PM
 I think I'll quit my job...why should I work to pay for others. So sick of the handouts !
Exactly...........the more you work the more you pay to upkeep others..........but get ready for it to get worse if Hillary is elected... | |
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Location: Arkansas | CJE - 2016-10-14 9:23 AM
Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-11 1:15 PM
 Are any of y'all familiar with some of the regulatory laws that have been passed in liberal California this year, specifically the ones that affect agriculture?  There is a real chance that production Ag will cease to exist there in the future in any meaningful form, with the way things are going.  They are sending a clear message that Ag isn't welcome in their backyard.  As goes California, so goes the country if we don't switch directions. The EPA has already been up our butts with WOTUS and other ridiculous things, and too many of our lawmakers aren't looking out for domestic producers in regard to trade deals.  Rural life as we know it can't exist without Ag. That includes the horse industry. Â
Most people have no clue where their food comes from......its just there when they want it......
Yep, you know, "my food comes from Kroger"!!!!!! And that's truly all they know. So unbelievably sad. . . . | |
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Location: Missouri | Do your research everyone, our government is living on borrowed time.
In 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:
'A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government'
'A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury'
'From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship'
'The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years' | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Bobbie_N - 2016-10-15 9:33 PM
Do your research everyone, our government is living on borrowed time.
In 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:
'A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government'
'A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury'
'From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship'
'The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years'
I'm afraid they were right. Excellent post. Alexis De Toqueville also wrote of this, about 200 years ago, in his "Democracy in America".
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Bobbie_N - 2016-10-15 9:33 PM
Do your research everyone, our government is living on borrowed time.
In 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:
'A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government'
'A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury'
'From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship'
'The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years'
I'm afraid they were right. Excellent post. Alexis De Toqueville also wrote of this, about 200 years ago, in his "Democracy in America".
Learn the difference between a democracy and a republic ... calling us a democracy is a misnomer for the USA ...
If you want to see the USA as it is today ... watch the politicians in the Russell Crowe movie .... THE GLADIATOR ... YOU WILL NO BELIEVE YOUR EYES AND EARS .... VERY RUDE AWAKENING ...
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America,
and to the Republic for which it stands,
one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
SUMMARY
In the Pledge of Allegiance we all pledge allegiance to our Republic, not to a democracy. "Republic" is the proper description of our government, not "democracy." I invite you to join me in raising public awareness regarding that distinction.
A republic and a democracy are identical in every aspect except one. In a republic the sovereignty is in each individual person. In a democracy the sovereignty is in the group.
Republic. That form of government in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whom those powers are specially delegated. [NOTE: The word "people" may be either plural or singular. In a republic the group only has advisory powers; the sovereign individual is free to reject the majority group-think. USA/exception: if 100% of a jury convicts, then the individual loses sovereignty and is subject to group-think as in a democracy.]
Democracy. That form of government in which the sovereign power resides in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens directly or indirectly through a system of representation, as distinguished from a monarchy, aristocracy, or oligarchy. [NOTE: In a pure democracy, 51% beats 49%. In other words, the minority has no rights. The minority only has those privileges granted by the dictatorship of the majority.]
HILLARY AND OBAMA are prime examples of a democracy .... they have a set of laws for the countries population to control them and a totally different set of laws for themselves and their current followers until their followers become a pest to them ...... then they bring in a foreign army to kill everyone such as the fake muslim refugee programs they endorse ....
This is our Trojan Horse and we must support TRUMP as the only American Leader that does not condone what is going on ....... so he is attacked from all sides with lies and innuendo's by those in our corrupted government and news media .. Trump has exposed the liars and soothsayers with plain English without being politically correct .... which is a majorattack point taken by the talking heads in the news media, congress and guilty lobbyists .....
SO THE ATTACKS WILL BE MUCH GREATER AND MORE OFTEN UNTIL HILLARY IS ELECTED THEN THEY WILL GO TO WORK ON DESTROYING TRUMP FINANCIALLY ...
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Location: SE KS | the $64,000 question: HOW do you get the Hillary supporters to see the light..........????? She terrifies me more than anything.
Keep reminding myself though - the Lord is in control, and in the end christians win!
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Location: SE Missouri | SloRide - 2016-10-12 1:40 PM
Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-12 1:35 PM
SloRide - 2016-10-12 1:15 PM cyount2009 - 2016-10-12 1:08 PM SloRide - 2016-10-12 12:27 PM Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-12 12:15 PM Â Are any of y'all familiar with some of the regulatory laws that have been passed in liberal California this year, specifically the ones that affect agriculture? Â There is a real chance that production Ag will cease to exist there in the future in any meaningful form, with the way things are going. Â They are sending a clear message that Ag isn't welcome in their backyard. Â As goes California, so goes the country if we don't switch directions. The EPA has already been up our butts with WOTUS and other ridiculous things, and too many of our lawmakers aren't looking out for domestic producers in regard to trade deals. Â Rural life as we know it can't exist without Ag. That includes the horse industry. Â Can you explain some of these laws? I am not familiar with them. I do know California has a water usage issue but that is about all I know. Thinking ahead, there will be big changes in agriculture in the future as a whole. Probably not a terrible thing. Change is not always a bad thing. Dairymen must decrease the amount of methane produced by 40% by the year 2030. Oddly, the amount of methane in the atmosphere has not increased since the 1990s, it has a short life span once released. Rice patties are the biggest culprits for the production and release of methane but California has been doing everything it can to kill the dairy industry for a long time. Farms and ranches are now required to pay overtime to their employees. The seasonal employee will STARVE. During hay season here the farm hands may put in 70 hour work weeks but come winter time they are lucky to get in 20 hours. They are paid a straight time by the hour regardless of the hours they work. Basically, the over worked hours in the summer are balanced by the under worked hours in the winter. The farm hands save their summer time wages for the low times during the winter. Now they will not be able to do much saving at all. Salary is not an option either. I don't know if it is federal or state law but an employee has to make a minimum of $70K a year to be put on salary. Crews will be rotated every 8 hours. Some of the farm workers here do alfalfa in the day time and during potato season, plant and harvest potatoes at night. There will be no more of that. I have not talked to a single farm worker who was in support of the new overtime law. They knew and understood the ramifications of it and how it would effect their paycheck. The whole state has been asked to cut water usage by 23%. Now there is talk about the central valley regulating farm wells and cutting the amount even more of run off farmers are allotted for irrigation. They are already working on a minimum. So many fields have gone fallow. Orchards are drying up. In the mean time, the inner city and suburban areas are worried about their lawns. It's federal and the limit is around $54,000 to be salary. My husbands employers bumped him up to $55,000 last year because of this law. The rest of the stuff I do not know anything about so thank you responding: )
I was wrong, it is $47476. It is federal though. I'm not sure why you are getting paid salary for $6000. You should take that up with your employer. Maybe they are exempt for some reason. It doesn't go into effect until Dec 1st 2016. Maybe you will get a raise soon!
It's by job classification/duties. Ability to earn commission is exempt, management as well has kind of exemption. We are going through this at work right now and it's not good.. We have some salary moving to hourly that are going to have a freaking cow.. | |
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Location: High heels in the air... | I don't get on here much anymore but I do lurk and read when I need a good laugh on sleepless nights...I don't like either candidate but I abhor anyone who bullies and abuses their power. I represented an assault victim who basically froze, went home, told no one and wanted it to go away. But memories have an odd way of popping up. This guy was fired for the assault. So, I never take any delayed response as a lie.
I read this here..take it anyway you want.
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Bear - 2016-10-12 8:03 PM
I would like to hear a few people explain how "trickle down economics" does not work. In fact, I'd like to hear them explain what trickle down economics actually is.
Everyone on the left keeps parroting how "trickle down" didn't work.
Maybe my idea of trickle down is too simplistic, so someone please teach me.
I'm not going to explain how it doesn't work because it does.
Here's the way it works in the horse industry. Just one segment. Person gets good job. Always wanted a racehorse. Person has enough expendable income to buy a racehorse. ETA: Breeder or pinhook (person who buys weanlings or yearlings to resell ) gets money for their horse and invests it back into their operation. Stud fees get paid, mares are purchased, re-bred and fed, vets are used. Handlers, stall cleaners, farm help are all hired and paid, etc....
Person pays trainer to train racehorse. Trainer pays people to care for the horse, grooms, riders to gallop and work the horse, pony people escort the horse to and from the gate or the track for work. At least 3 people have their hands on the horse on any given day. Maybe more.
There are always at least 2 if not more retail tack stores that supply the horsemen with all the OTC meds and goods they need specific to the racetrack. Bridles, wraps, buckets, etc... ETA: Feed suppliers. Racetrack Vets supply services and prescription drugs.
Trainer enters the horse in races. The racing facility pays their office staff to co-ordinate race conditions, take entries and the bookkeepers to keep the horsemen's accounts correctly. Gate staff and clocker take care of the morning workout records. those records are compiled and transferred to the Daily Racing Form to publish. There are many office staff to support the main staff.
Race day staff check the lip for the tattoo all racehorses have (which was applied at the track by someone ), make sure the right horse is being run. The horse is saddled usually requiring 3 people for each horse. Pony people lead the horse on a groomed track (tractor drivers- at least 2 ) to the gate where the starter and the gate crew (10 people on hand at least ) load them. The track vet oversees the process to make sure all horses and people appear healthy. The ambulance and crew stand by in case someone is hurt during the on-track process.
Jockeys get paid to ride horse. Betters bet on the horse. There are several windows open to take bets. Some are automated, many are staffed by people. The IT staff make sure everything behind the scenes is working correctly along with janitors and maintenance people who fix anything that isn't working.
ETA: Congratulations your horse won. So you get to have your picture taken by the track photographer who then sells you as many copies of you and your horse as you need to brag with. lol The money you won in the race is added to your horseman's account by the bookkeeper. You could decide this is fun and buy a second racehorse with it or just let it ride. You have to pay taxes on that money to the state and federal gov. Oops more money to your tax accountant too.
When the race is over, the winner and one other horse is usually taken to the test barn where other staff wait for the horse to be bathed and cooled out to collect urine and sometimes blood for testing, it's sent to the test lab. Where other people test it for known drugs.
Track staff take the race results and send that to the DRF for publishing and to the breed associations for their use. Still other people send the state who is overseeing the correct reporting of winnings. The state gets a cut of the "handle" (the dollars the bettors bet on the races ).
I may have left something out, but you can see how many jobs can be created by a good economy or eliminated by a depressed economy, where people are just trying to get by. The amount of money that is trickled down is enormous. The money isn't spend once and gone. It's spent several times before it's out of the system. It's as hard to understand how people can think it doesn't work. It's especially easy to see how it works in an industry like horses that is a luxury.
My own experience is that material goods have at least doubled in price in the last 8 years. From $5/bag of grain to $10+ now. At one point grain was $12/50#. I've paid $300/ton for alfalfa. It used to be half that.
The KICKER that Bear is getting at, and that OregonBR so eloquently pointed out .... there must be a desire to work and hold the jobs that are created by the trickle.
As others have also posted - the democracy falls apart when the voters realize they can vote themselves a share of the treasury .... So, the Democrats are correct that trickle isn't working because the people who are on welfare will always vote for more handouts and refuse to work.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | abrooks - 2016-10-17 11:42 AM SloRide - 2016-10-12 1:40 PM Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-12 1:35 PM SloRide - 2016-10-12 1:15 PM cyount2009 - 2016-10-12 1:08 PM SloRide - 2016-10-12 12:27 PM Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-12 12:15 PM Are any of y'all familiar with some of the regulatory laws that have been passed in liberal California this year, specifically the ones that affect agriculture? There is a real chance that production Ag will cease to exist there in the future in any meaningful form, with the way things are going. They are sending a clear message that Ag isn't welcome in their backyard. As goes California, so goes the country if we don't switch directions. The EPA has already been up our butts with WOTUS and other ridiculous things, and too many of our lawmakers aren't looking out for domestic producers in regard to trade deals. Rural life as we know it can't exist without Ag. That includes the horse industry. Can you explain some of these laws? I am not familiar with them. I do know California has a water usage issue but that is about all I know. Thinking ahead, there will be big changes in agriculture in the future as a whole. Probably not a terrible thing. Change is not always a bad thing. Dairymen must decrease the amount of methane produced by 40% by the year 2030. Oddly, the amount of methane in the atmosphere has not increased since the 1990s, it has a short life span once released. Rice patties are the biggest culprits for the production and release of methane but California has been doing everything it can to kill the dairy industry for a long time. Farms and ranches are now required to pay overtime to their employees. The seasonal employee will STARVE. During hay season here the farm hands may put in 70 hour work weeks but come winter time they are lucky to get in 20 hours. They are paid a straight time by the hour regardless of the hours they work. Basically, the over worked hours in the summer are balanced by the under worked hours in the winter. The farm hands save their summer time wages for the low times during the winter. Now they will not be able to do much saving at all. Salary is not an option either. I don't know if it is federal or state law but an employee has to make a minimum of $70K a year to be put on salary. Crews will be rotated every 8 hours. Some of the farm workers here do alfalfa in the day time and during potato season, plant and harvest potatoes at night. There will be no more of that. I have not talked to a single farm worker who was in support of the new overtime law. They knew and understood the ramifications of it and how it would effect their paycheck. The whole state has been asked to cut water usage by 23%. Now there is talk about the central valley regulating farm wells and cutting the amount even more of run off farmers are allotted for irrigation. They are already working on a minimum. So many fields have gone fallow. Orchards are drying up. In the mean time, the inner city and suburban areas are worried about their lawns. It's federal and the limit is around $54,000 to be salary. My husbands employers bumped him up to $55,000 last year because of this law. The rest of the stuff I do not know anything about so thank you responding: ) I was wrong, it is $47476. It is federal though. I'm not sure why you are getting paid salary for $6000. You should take that up with your employer. Maybe they are exempt for some reason. It doesn't go into effect until Dec 1st 2016. Maybe you will get a raise soon! It's by job classification/duties. Ability to earn commission is exempt, management as well has kind of exemption. We are going through this at work right now and it's not good.. We have some salary moving to hourly that are going to have a freaking cow..
That makes more sense. I'm a stock holder classified as managment. We're self employed with multiple business entities--I'm salaried from the corporation and get a draw from the partnership. | |
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Location: Never in one place long | and many people are worried about where there next meal will come from and we're worried if we can run across the Country to barrel race in our 100k rigs... just makes me sick. We should be worried about our health, the health of this Country. | |
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and many people are worried about where there next meal will come from and we're worried if we can run across the Country to barrel race in our 100k rigs... just makes me sick. We should be worried about our health, the health of this Country.
Actually, I want people to strive to be able to generate the means so they too can have those $100K rigs. I want people to have the drive and desire to produce and create, so they can both enjoy the fruits of their labor and contribute to society in any manner of their choosing.
I don't disparage wealthy, successful people. I love watching it happen. I love hearing how hard work, ingenuity, and risk taking creates wealth and success. That's what creates "American exceptionalism".
Progressive-liberalism and socialism don't like the concept, because to their way of thinking, it directly conflicts with their concept of "egalitarianism". We all agree in equal rights and equal opportunity, but progressive-liberals believe in equality in terms of wealth distribution. They also believe in squelching American Exceptionalism by advocating equal outcomes. | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I have no desire to live in a world were you work just to survive. That is not the America I grew up in and I have no desire to go out of this world ending my life in a third world country like Killary is racing for us to be. I remember my parents raising 8 kids and working hard for us to have nice things and a nice life. We were on the poor side but through hard work, I was able to see the fruits of my parent's labor and watch them go from renting a place to buying their own home and being able to enjoy a nice retirement.
Capitalism works...Socialism will make us all equally poor no matter if you work or sit on your ass at home letting others support you. That really sucks..Everyone has a chance to make it in America.
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Location: Where I am happiest | The state of Utah is voting for Evan McMullin. He is winning Utah and he just announced his candidancy in aug. As far as Trump, he drives me nuts but at least he will keep our constitution and bill of rights, lower taxes, get rid of the death tax, repeal obamacare and bring back jobs. Hillary is attacking our first, and second ammendment and her open borders will be opening pandoras box of mayham. She will raise taxes, increas the death tax to 65%, reduce social security, single payer health care so it will be just like Canada's, open borders so all the drugs, drug cartel gangs, terrorists and criminal eliment can pour in at will with no-one checking or monitoring anything, sell our govt. and resources to her Clinton Foundation donors ( like she is already doing) and we still get a sexual preditor in the white house! I dont want a global govt. under UN rule and thats exactly what we get with Hillary.
? And what is all this I'm seeing lately of Bill Clinton being involved with Jeffry Epstein in a underage sex slave ring? I googled it and Holy Cow!! And now I see Annonamous has a youtube video out now saying they have a video of Bill Clinton raping a 13 year old they got from Isrealy inteligence that they are going to release. Eye Yi Yi Yi Yi. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | ThreeCorners - 2016-10-17 10:04 PM
The state of Utah is voting for Evan McMullin. He is winning Utah and he just announced his candidancy in aug. As far as Trump, he drives me nuts but at least he will keep our constitution and bill of rights, lower taxes, get rid of the death tax, repeal obamacare and bring back jobs. Hillary is attacking our first, and second ammendment and her open borders will be opening pandoras box of mayham. Â She will raise taxes, increas the death tax to 65%, reduce social security, single payer health care so it will be just like Canada's, open borders so all the drugs, drug cartel gangs, terrorists and criminal eliment can pour in at will with no-one checking or monitoring anything, sell our govt. and resources to her Clinton Foundation donors ( like she is already doing) and we still get a sexual preditor in the white house! I dont want a global govt. under UN rule and thats exactly what we get with Hillary.
? And what is all this I'm seeing lately of Bill Clinton being involved with Jeffry Epstein in a underage sex slave ring? I googled it and Holy Cow!! And now I see Annonamous has a youtube video out now saying they have a video of Bill Clinton raping a 13 year old they got from Isrealy inteligence that they are going to release. Eye Yi Yi Yi Yi.
A 13 year old? I haven't heard about this one. Why would they wait to release this? I suppose that would be tacky and too revolting.
Are you sure? 13??? Well, I guess it fits when one of Bill's best friends is a convicted pedophile. If Ole Willy picks 'em any younger, he'll be raping a sperm. | |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Bear - 2016-10-17 10:58 PM ThreeCorners - 2016-10-17 10:04 PM The state of Utah is voting for Evan McMullin. He is winning Utah and he just announced his candidancy in aug. As far as Trump, he drives me nuts but at least he will keep our constitution and bill of rights, lower taxes, get rid of the death tax, repeal obamacare and bring back jobs. Hillary is attacking our first, and second ammendment and her open borders will be opening pandoras box of mayham. She will raise taxes, increas the death tax to 65%, reduce social security, single payer health care so it will be just like Canada's, open borders so all the drugs, drug cartel gangs, terrorists and criminal eliment can pour in at will with no-one checking or monitoring anything, sell our govt. and resources to her Clinton Foundation donors ( like she is already doing) and we still get a sexual preditor in the white house! I dont want a global govt. under UN rule and thats exactly what we get with Hillary.
? And what is all this I'm seeing lately of Bill Clinton being involved with Jeffry Epstein in a underage sex slave ring? I googled it and Holy Cow!! And now I see Annonamous has a youtube video out now saying they have a video of Bill Clinton raping a 13 year old they got from Isrealy inteligence that they are going to release. Eye Yi Yi Yi Yi. A 13 year old? I haven't heard about this one. Why would they wait to release this? I suppose that would be tacky and too revolting. Are you sure? 13??? Well, I guess it fits when one of Bill's best friends is a convicted pedophile. If Ole Willy picks 'em any younger, he'll be raping a sperm.
Check it out! Names, dates, all of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEM7L42x2xc | |
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