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Location: Bastrop, Texas | 1.) Our deficit is too high, but to say it is higher than ever is a lie. The first 4 years under Obama exceeded $1 Trillion. Obama topped out with a record high of nearly $1.5 Trillion. The total national debt nearly doubled during the Obama administration. In reality, presidents have little say with the budget. Congress establishes that, and from 2007-2011, both houses were under Democrat control. Excessive spending is a bipartisan issue. You need to understand better the roles of the three branches of our federal government, but please do yourself a favor.....do not use Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez as your source of information.
2.) The bottom 50% of earners in this country pay essentially zero federal income taxes. The top 10% of earners pay over 90%.
The tax cuts have barely even taken effect. Lowering corporate rates while cutting loopholes has been a good move toward repatriation of about $2 Trillion in offshore corporate capital.
We need tax reform. Even CPAs do not fully understand our monstrosity called the federal tax code, which is over 170,000 pages long.
3.) Social security is a rip-off. People pay into it their entire lives and get a fraction of what they should be earning. No it should not be called an entitlement. It should be owned by those who contribute and those dollars should be put to work. If you die before 62 and have no dependents your social security savings is confiscated, rather, the IOU is torn up by the government who has been entrusted with our savings. We should be getting 2-3X what we are getting when we retire, especially when 12.4% of what we earned is confiscated from us and our employers throughout our working years. SS needs to be reformed.
4.) Define “rational gun control”..... you mean banning those evil AR-15’s? Be specific.
Just so you understand, I do not belong to a political party, and I am not a member of the NRA, although I’m glad we have an NRA.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Chandler's Mom - 2018-12-02 7:41 PM
Bear - 2018-12-02 5:42 AM
Like I said she’s a troll. Ironic how she decries politics on this forum yet every one of her posts has been of a political nature. Not one single post about anything other than to lambaste or lampoon conservatives. Then she turns around and has the audacity to suggest posts ought to be limited to horses and barrel racing.
I predict now she will make an occasional post about barrel racing just to blend in better.
Even her political posts steer clear of specific issues like taxes, social security, sanctuary cities, etc.... She’s only here for one reason.
Really seems to have become "active" in some horse threads in the past couple of days. . . .
Just as I predicted.
She won’t reveal her name or where she’s from. Why?
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | As to “sanctuary cities”, the “brutal lawless” ICE, and the wall. I agree with what Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Chuck Schumer, Harry Reid, and Barack Obama said about our illegal immigration problem just a few years ago. It’s all captured on video. This of course changed, when the hypocritical bastards decided the problem could be railroaded for the purposes of political expedience, and VOTES,..... thus dooming any chances for a solution.
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Like I said she’s a troll. Ironic how she decries politics on this forum yet every one of her posts has been of a political nature. Not one single post about anything other than to lambaste or lampoon conservatives. Then she turns around and has the audacity to suggest posts ought to be limited to horses and barrel racing.
I predict now she will make an occasional post about barrel racing just to blend in better.
Even her political posts steer clear of specific issues like taxes, social security, sanctuary cities, etc.... She’s only here for one reason.
You really don’t understand. I most certainly do not wish to “blend in” with persons who espouse your political viewpoints. I oppose them. Further, fortunately it is not up to you how I enjoy this forum. As I said before, the horse topics I read with great pleasure, very little to add there. It is also with great pleasure I express my opinions in op position to political posts I find objectionable. There is no shortage of sarcasm and vilification in many of these posts, one of which suggested the remedy for liberals was “hot lead.” That no one in that particular thread seemed alarmed by this speaks volumes. So if my responses are satirical and pointed, well too bad. If you don’t like what I have to say, “don’t read it.” .....good for the goose, good for the gander....
Curious though: what do you fantasize is “the one reason” I am here for? Just to trigger you? Fun as that may be, it is not my central purpose at all. I happen to love horses. Do you?
But I fail to mention: my view on 1. ) taxes: the top 1% , including corporations should have their taxes increased, not decreased. Our deficit is now higher than ever thanks to Trump and the complicit republican controlled congress. The middle class and the poor deserve a break not these wealth hoarding bastards. 2. ) Sanctuary cities are merely a stop gap against the lawlessness and brutality of ICE. Illegal immigration must be addressed and curtailed, no question. But a border wall is a stupid, political stunt destined to fail. I am not trained in this area to have an opinion regarding the best remedy. But we have laws right now in regard to people seeking asylum that are being broken by the current “policy.” Hence the problems at the border right now. Trump’s stupid fear mongering border stunts have made things worse. Perhaps a coherent foreign labor policy would go along ways toward providing workers where needed, but not necessarily citizenship.
3. ) SSA should not be plundered. It belongs to the citizens who earned it and is not an “entitlement.
4. ) Rational gun control must be instituted. The NRA has more to do with profits than a contemporary interpretation of the 2nd Amnendment that protects citizenry.
I would be very interested to learn YOUR responses. Less interested in slogans from some right wing hate rally.
So I take it you will be waiting at the Tiajuana border to aid and assist the caravan when if/when they are allowed in? How many of those folks are you willing to keep at your OWN house and support until they can get back on their feet? How many spare bedrooms do you have? | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | FLITASTIC - 2018-12-03 9:00 AM Mecon - 2018-12-02 6:15 PM Mecon - 2018-12-02 7:33 PM Bear - 2018-12-02 5:42 AM Like I said she’s a troll. Ironic how she decries politics on this forum yet every one of her posts has been of a political nature. Not one single post about anything other than to lambaste or lampoon conservatives. Then she turns around and has the audacity to suggest posts ought to be limited to horses and barrel racing. I predict now she will make an occasional post about barrel racing just to blend in better. Even her political posts steer clear of specific issues like taxes, social security, sanctuary cities, etc.... She’s only here for one reason. You really don’t understand. I most certainly do not wish to “blend in” with persons who espouse your political viewpoints. I oppose them. Further, fortunately it is not up to you how I enjoy this forum. As I said before, the horse topics I read with great pleasure, very little to add there. It is also with great pleasure I express my opinions in op position to political posts I find objectionable. There is no shortage of sarcasm and vilification in many of these posts, one of which suggested the remedy for liberals was “hot lead.” That no one in that particular thread seemed alarmed by this speaks volumes. So if my responses are satirical and pointed, well too bad. If you don’t like what I have to say, “don’t read it.” .....good for the goose, good for the gander.... Curious though: what do you fantasize is “the one reason” I am here for? Just to trigger you? Fun as that may be, it is not my central purpose at all. I happen to love horses. Do you? But I fail to mention: my view on 1. ) taxes: the top 1% , including corporations should have their taxes increased, not decreased. Our deficit is now higher than ever thanks to Trump and the complicit republican controlled congress. The middle class and the poor deserve a break not these wealth hoarding bastards. 2. ) Sanctuary cities are merely a stop gap against the lawlessness and brutality of ICE. Illegal immigration must be addressed and curtailed, no question. But a border wall is a stupid, political stunt destined to fail. I am not trained in this area to have an opinion regarding the best remedy. But we have laws right now in regard to people seeking asylum that are being broken by the current “policy.” Hence the problems at the border right now. Trump’s stupid fear mongering border stunts have made things worse. Perhaps a coherent foreign labor policy would go along ways toward providing workers where needed, but not necessarily citizenship. 3. ) SSA should not be plundered. It belongs to the citizens who earned it and is not an “entitlement. 4. ) Rational gun control must be instituted. The NRA has more to do with profits than a contemporary interpretation of the 2nd Amnendment that protects citizenry. I would be very interested to learn YOUR responses. Less interested in slogans from some right wing hate rally. So I take it you will be waiting at the Tiajuana border to aid and assist the caravan when if/when they are allowed in? How many of those folks are you willing to keep at your OWN house and support until they can get back on their feet? How many spare bedrooms do you have?
I already offered to take he/she/shem's information to our Texas border so I could pass it on for all the illegals to check and I know that they would take him/she/shem up on the offer, but no answer. I bet this person talks alot and just wont shut up when talking in person, sounds like a meme or its all about me.. | |
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Although I am a conservative I believe the idea's of opposition should be aired without the opposition being attacked. This goes for both sides of the spectrum and must apply to BHW as well.
And just because someone calls a name does not mean we must name call in return. Please do not take what was a good conversation and turn it into another political debate. With that said...
I think the immigrations policies are ludicrous. True case - my daughter is an attorney ( she is a Conservative also) and is trying in vain to help an illegal who is a productive member of society become a citizen. There is literally no pathway for her to become a citizen. This women is a hardworking person ( cleans houses ) that wants desperately to become an American. So what should she do? She has a life here - should return to life of poverty in Mexico? These are real situations and neither party has solutuions.
I do not believe anyone should be allowed to come into the United States unlawfully but he fact is there are millions here. We cannot ignore that fact. I don't know what the solution is.
It is a privledge to live in United States.  Those migrants storming the gates at the border are engaging in illegal behavior. Our freedoms have been won by the tremendous sacrifice and blood shed to keep America safe. It is not a right it is a privledge.
A solution between counries for the sheltering of those seeking asylum must happen. American cannot bear the burden alone. And we as Americans should never lose our compassion for those who need shelter from persecution.
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Location: Missouri | Bear - 2018-12-03 6:55 AM
1.) Our deficit is too high, but to say it is higher than ever is a lie. The first 4 years under Obama exceeded $1 Trillion. Obama topped out with a record high of nearly $1.5 Trillion. The total national debt nearly doubled during the Obama administration. In reality, presidents have little say with the budget. Congress establishes that, and from 2007-2011, both houses were under Democrat control. Excessive spending is a bipartisan issue. You need to understand better the roles of the three branches of our federal government, but please do yourself a favor.....do not use Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez as your source of information.
2.) The bottom 50% of earners in this country pay essentially zero federal income taxes. The top 10% of earners pay over 90%.
The tax cuts have barely even taken effect. Lowering corporate rates while cutting loopholes has been a good move toward repatriation of about $2 Trillion in offshore corporate capital.
We need tax reform. Even CPAs do not fully understand our monstrosity called the federal tax code, which is over 170,000 pages long.
3.) Social security is a rip-off. People pay into it their entire lives and get a fraction of what they should be earning. No it should not be called an entitlement. It should be owned by those who contribute and those dollars should be put to work. If you die before 62 and have no dependents your social security savings is confiscated, rather, the IOU is torn up by the government who has been entrusted with our savings. We should be getting 2-3X what we are getting when we retire, especially when 12.4% of what we earned is confiscated from us and our employers throughout our working years. SS needs to be reformed.
4.) Define “rational gun control”..... you mean banning those evil AR-15’s? Be specific.
Just so you understand, I do not belong to a political party, and I am not a member of the NRA, although I’m glad we have an NRA.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Gail you are right, I have lived on the Border most of my life in the Rio Granda Valley { McAllen, Texas } and know and knew illegals and some that still live in Reynosa Mexico that come over for work, back in the day a man that we know and worked on the family Dairy instead of waiting to cross over at the bridge he would just float over on his inter tube and worked the weekends, to old now so he stays home, my father in law tryed his darnest back in the day to get him legal, but never happened but he did have his greencard to be able to work certain days at the dairy, he did it right but still did things the old way like floating the river when he was younger but as he got older he took the bridge.. We had a few women that would come over to clean houses, they were good ladys but never became a legal American. So there is good ones that try and do it the right way but then we have all the Coyotes that smuggle groups and now this carvan that want to be here where they can improve their lives but they need to do it the right way not rushing the border..
Border life has really changed over the years.. Now we have gangs that come over and have ruined it for the good ones, so we need a tighter border and for the good ones to do it right so they can stay and keep all the bad out. | |
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Location: Kansas | lilpeppy - 2018-12-03 10:40 AM I have learned so much from this site over the years, about everything. Please don't change anything.
Exactly what we all want to hear. I love this.
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| Mecon - 2018-12-01 9:02 PM New to the forum but the political stuff needs to go. Way too much far right conspiracy theory lunatic fringe egregious material. The topics related to barrel racing are informative and great fun to read.
So at BHW we discuss everything. If a certain topic isn't of interest move on to the next. The comment made about "hot lead" was not within the guidelines of our forums and removed. And even if that comment was made it jest it was wrong.
Freedom of speech is "political" and costly. Thousands have shed their blood so that America and other countries can enjoy freedom including the freedom to discuss whatever we wish therefore we will continue to allow political threads. But the rules apply to all threads, horse related or not. There is a report to mod button which will allow you object if rules are being broken.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Mighty Broke - 2018-12-03 11:37 AM
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| Mecon - 2018-12-02 9:15 PM Mecon - 2018-12-02 7:33 PM Bear - 2018-12-02 5:42 AM Like I said she’s a troll. Ironic how she decries politics on this forum yet every one of her posts has been of a political nature. Not one single post about anything other than to lambaste or lampoon conservatives. Then she turns around and has the audacity to suggest posts ought to be limited to horses and barrel racing. I predict now she will make an occasional post about barrel racing just to blend in better. Even her political posts steer clear of specific issues like taxes, social security, sanctuary cities, etc.... She’s only here for one reason. You really don’t understand. I most certainly do not wish to “blend in” with persons who espouse your political viewpoints. I oppose them. Further, fortunately it is not up to you how I enjoy this forum. As I said before, the horse topics I read with great pleasure, very little to add there. It is also with great pleasure I express my opinions in op position to political posts I find objectionable. There is no shortage of sarcasm and vilification in many of these posts, one of which suggested the remedy for liberals was “hot lead.” That no one in that particular thread seemed alarmed by this speaks volumes. So if my responses are satirical and pointed, well too bad. If you don’t like what I have to say, “don’t read it.” .....good for the goose, good for the gander.... Curious though: what do you fantasize is “the one reason” I am here for? Just to trigger you? Fun as that may be, it is not my central purpose at all. I happen to love horses. Do you? But I fail to mention: my view on 1. ) taxes: the top 1% , including corporations should have their taxes increased, not decreased. Our deficit is now higher than ever thanks to Trump and the complicit republican controlled congress. The middle class and the poor deserve a break not these wealth hoarding bastards. 2. ) Sanctuary cities are merely a stop gap against the lawlessness and brutality of ICE. Illegal immigration must be addressed and curtailed, no question. But a border wall is a stupid, political stunt destined to fail. I am not trained in this area to have an opinion regarding the best remedy. But we have laws right now in regard to people seeking asylum that are being broken by the current “policy.” Hence the problems at the border right now. Trump’s stupid fear mongering border stunts have made things worse. Perhaps a coherent foreign labor policy would go along ways toward providing workers where needed, but not necessarily citizenship. 3. ) SSA should not be plundered. It belongs to the citizens who earned it and is not an “entitlement. 4. ) Rational gun control must be instituted. The NRA has more to do with profits than a contemporary interpretation of the 2nd Amnendment that protects citizenry. I would be very interested to learn YOUR responses. Less interested in slogans from some right wing hate rally.
first off these policy were put in place by clinton bush obama trump is inforcing them sancuary city were in place long before trump have you been to calif lately southern ca looks like a 3rd world country not like it did when i was thereand lived in the 70 san fran is conside a bio hazard when i was there it was a jewel
the illegal migrants juding by what is being written by new times are lawless and obama used tear gass also
as far as taxes go i would love to se a flat tax
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| Scott, I agree with so much that you say, BUT disagreement is allowed and name calling is discouraged. ( I saw your "Troll" comment.) Also, I like non-horse topics and think we should keep them. I want to know what my horse community thinks - about everything. It makes this life, and this board, so much more interesting.
SO, don't terrify everyone you don't agree with in your posts - using your superior intellect and supportive logic. Most don't stand a chance with you. We won't have any one left to argue with! I want to encourage AND respect ALL viewpoints. And I hope everyone else feels the same. If what someone says on here disgusts you, report it and move to another topic. We will not let trolls and gremlins take over our board, or stifle our differences either!
Merry Christmas, BTW.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | DaveM - 2018-12-03 3:01 PM
 Scott, I agree with so much that you say, BUT disagreement is allowed and name calling is discouraged. ( I saw your "Troll" comment.)  Also, I like non-horse topics and think we should keep them. I want to know what my horse community thinks - about everything. It makes this life, and this board, so much more interesting.
SO, don't terrify everyone you don't agree with in your posts - using your superior intellect and supportive logic. Most don't stand a chance with you.  We won't have any one left to argue with! I want to encourage AND respect ALL viewpoints. And I hope everyone else feels the same. If what someone says on here disgusts you, report it and move to another topic. We will not let trolls and gremlins take over our board, or stifle our differences either!
Merry Christmas, BTW.
Fee free to disagree with me. Peace  Â
Fair enough. I won’t call anyone a troll anymore. People will draw their own conclusions, regardless of any labels. I apologize for terrifying people so much! LOL | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Bear - 2018-12-03 3:41 PM DaveM - 2018-12-03 3:01 PM Scott, I agree with so much that you say, BUT disagreement is allowed and name calling is discouraged. ( I saw your "Troll" comment.) Also, I like non-horse topics and think we should keep them. I want to know what my horse community thinks - about everything. It makes this life, and this board, so much more interesting.
SO, don't terrify everyone you don't agree with in your posts - using your superior intellect and supportive logic. Most don't stand a chance with you. We won't have any one left to argue with! I want to encourage AND respect ALL viewpoints. And I hope everyone else feels the same. If what someone says on here disgusts you, report it and move to another topic. We will not let trolls and gremlins take over our board, or stifle our differences either!
Merry Christmas, BTW.
Fee free to disagree with me. Peace Fair enough. I won’t call anyone a troll anymore. People will draw their own conclusions, regardless of any labels. I apologize for terrifying people so much! LOL
But I love BHW and dont want anything to change, all the different topics is what makes this world go round or BHW..
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Location: Arkansas | DaveM - 2018-12-03 3:01 PM
 Scott, I agree with so much that you say, BUT disagreement is allowed and name calling is discouraged. ( I saw your "Troll" comment.)  Also, I like non-horse topics and think we should keep them. I want to know what my horse community thinks - about everything. It makes this life, and this board, so much more interesting.
SO, don't terrify everyone you don't agree with in your posts - using your superior intellect and supportive logic. Most don't stand a chance with you.  We won't have any one left to argue with! I want to encourage AND respect ALL viewpoints. And I hope everyone else feels the same. If what someone says on here disgusts you, report it and move to another topic. We will not let trolls and gremlins take over our board, or stifle our differences either!
Merry Christmas, BTW.
Fee free to disagree with me. Peace  Â
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