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| lonely va barrelxr - 2019-01-29 9:10 AM
I'm just going to point out that if what made you pregnant was so traumatic that you can't possibly carry to term then it is a very important issue that abortion remains safe and legal.
Adoption is all fine and dandy, but it is harder in some ways than losing your child to death. At least if they die you can grieve and move on (not that that's easy). But when you give one up for adoption the grief can last your entire life.
And then we have to consider what I am now facing - my bio mother had blocked that she even had me in her mind. Even with the genetic proof she denied having me. So on top of rejection from my adoptive mother through my life I now have rejection from my bio mother.
Adoption might be an option, but it isn't all butterflies and flowers either.
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| lonely va barrelxr - 2019-01-29 9:10 AM I'm just going to point out that if what made you pregnant was so traumatic that you can't possibly carry to term then it is a very important issue that abortion remains safe and legal. Adoption is all fine and dandy, but it is harder in some ways than losing your child to death. At least if they die you can grieve and move on (not that that's easy). But when you give one up for adoption the grief can last your entire life. And then we have to consider what I am now facing - my bio mother had blocked that she even had me in her mind. Even with the genetic proof she denied having me. So on top of rejection from my adoptive mother through my life I now have rejection from my bio mother. Adoption might be an option, but it isn't all butterflies and flowers either.
All valid points but all points/decisions that can be made in the first trimester, not when the baby is viable and feels pain, not when they have to inject lethal drugs into the baby and wait 24 hours for the baby to die. There is nothing humane or a lesser evil about late term abortions. I am sorry you are experiencing rejection but that is not representative of all adoptions. Despite your pain, would you rather not be here on this earth? There is pain within biological families too, they are not all flowers and butterflies either, we make the best of what we have and don’t say people should not have kids because of others bad experiences. I have 3 nieces and nephews who are adopted and are very much loved. I don’t know how to compare the grief of giving one up for adoption to killing a full term baby, I would think they are the same except the killing of the baby is a very selfish act. No one is talking about making abortion illegal, just the horrific legal killing of full term babies. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | When I was in high school (many, MANY moons ago) I took a Philosophy class. My most memorable take away from that class is this. People can and will justify/rationalize anything if they want it bad enough. Once they do, many don't have a second thought about it. We used to be a Christian based nation. Our moral parameters were pretty tight. The Ten Commandments ruled. That doesn't mean all of us weren't sinners. Everyone has sinned. But most of us at least had a moral compass. The farther and farther we get away from the Ten Commandments the closer some of us come to being lost without any knowledge of right and wrong. The opposite end of the spectrum is satan worship. Folks, we have people who are satan worshipers in our society. Right out in plan sight. This NY abortion law is going to keep those people from being prosecuted for participating in sick rituals using babies and children. I'm just going to stop right there. If you want to know, start researching. I personally don't want to go down that rabbit hole. I know it exists, it's so wrong and the people that are participating are sick. In my mind there is no redemption for them. That's up to God. But I sure would like to arrange the meeting. |
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Location: Missouri | lonely va barrelxr - 2019-01-29 9:10 AM
I'm just going to point out that if what made you pregnant was so traumatic that you can't possibly carry to term then it is a very important issue that abortion remains safe and legal.
Adoption is all fine and dandy, but it is harder in some ways than losing your child to death. At least if they die you can grieve and move on (not that that's easy). But when you give one up for adoption the grief can last your entire life.
And then we have to consider what I am now facing - my bio mother had blocked that she even had me in her mind. Even with the genetic proof she denied having me. So on top of rejection from my adoptive mother through my life I now have rejection from my bio mother.
Adoption might be an option, but it isn't all butterflies and flowers either.
I'm really sorry you're experiencing rejection from your birth mother. I cannot imagine what that feels like. :(
I think most people would agree that adoption, either from birth or later in life from foster care, comes with more than it's fair share of difficulties. But, I still commend mothers who choose life.
In cases of sexual assault being the reason for the pregnancy, my heart breaks for those women facing such a terrible and heart breaking decision. I really can't imagine. I can honestly say that yes, if it were me I would without a doubt choose life. Whether I would put the child up for adoption of keep it, I dont know. But, I also acknowledge that resolve in my beliefs is made easier by the fact that I would have my husband's emotional support during that time and so many women don't have ANY support. Do I still think it's wrong regardless of how the child was conceived? Yes. BUT. I also do not feel the need to judge women in such a terrible situation and would empathize with them. I sure hope they'd give that baby a chance at life and a family, but, if someone came to me and said they'd had an abortion, I certainly wouldn't condemn them. |
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| Gator Bug - 2019-01-29 10:30 AM lonely va barrelxr - 2019-01-29 9:10 AM I'm just going to point out that if what made you pregnant was so traumatic that you can't possibly carry to term then it is a very important issue that abortion remains safe and legal. Adoption is all fine and dandy, but it is harder in some ways than losing your child to death. At least if they die you can grieve and move on (not that that's easy). But when you give one up for adoption the grief can last your entire life. And then we have to consider what I am now facing - my bio mother had blocked that she even had me in her mind. Even with the genetic proof she denied having me. So on top of rejection from my adoptive mother through my life I now have rejection from my bio mother. Adoption might be an option, but it isn't all butterflies and flowers either. Hear ya. No option is all 'unicorns and rainbows' when you find yourself pregnant when you don't want to be...at any age.
However, abortion should be rare with ALL the birth control options out there now. Libs want to say that we aren't in the 50/60's and abortion should be on demand and reproductive rights of women. By the same token, you can say we are not in the 50/60's and it is 2019 and we have numourous forms of birth control (something for everyone). So abortion SHOULD be on the decrease. But it is not, by just Planned Parenthood's own stats.
i am moved by your post, but also a little confused. I am not condeming your post at all; as no option is great at any age when you find yourself pregnant when you don't want to be. There are consequences for every option.
But, are you posting that an abortion is/should be favored over adoption based on your experience with your bio and adoptive Moms? Just asking and trying to understand your post thoroughly.
No. I don't think anyone is pro-abortion.
I'm just pointing out that no matter what choice you make if you find yourself pregnant in an untenable situation that all choices should be available and safe.
All choices on this issue carry their own emotional baggage, for life.
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Location: Missouri | OregonBR - 2019-01-29 9:52 AM
When I was in high school (many, MANY moons ago) I took a Philosophy class. My most memorable take away from that class is this. People can and will justify/rationalize anything if they want it bad enough. Once they do, many don't have a second thought about it. We used to be a Christian based nation. Our moral parameters were pretty tight. The Ten Commandments ruled. That doesn't mean all of us weren't sinners. Everyone has sinned. But most of us at least had a moral compass. The farther and farther we get away from the Ten Commandments the closer some of us come to being lost without any knowledge of right and wrong. The opposite end of the spectrum is satan worship. Folks, we have people who are satan worshipers in our society. Right out in plan sight. This NY abortion law is going to keep those people from being prosecuted for participating in sick rituals using babies and children. I'm just going to stop right there. If you want to know, start researching. I personally don't want to go down that rabbit hole. I know it exists, it's so wrong and the people that are participating are sick. In my mind there is no redemption for them. That's up to God. But I sure would like to arrange the meeting.
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Location: Weatherford, TX | lonely va barrelxr - 2019-01-29 9:53 AM Gator Bug - 2019-01-29 10:30 AM lonely va barrelxr - 2019-01-29 9:10 AM I'm just going to point out that if what made you pregnant was so traumatic that you can't possibly carry to term then it is a very important issue that abortion remains safe and legal. Adoption is all fine and dandy, but it is harder in some ways than losing your child to death. At least if they die you can grieve and move on (not that that's easy). But when you give one up for adoption the grief can last your entire life. And then we have to consider what I am now facing - my bio mother had blocked that she even had me in her mind. Even with the genetic proof she denied having me. So on top of rejection from my adoptive mother through my life I now have rejection from my bio mother. Adoption might be an option, but it isn't all butterflies and flowers either. Hear ya. No option is all 'unicorns and rainbows' when you find yourself pregnant when you don't want to be...at any age.
However, abortion should be rare with ALL the birth control options out there now. Libs want to say that we aren't in the 50/60's and abortion should be on demand and reproductive rights of women. By the same token, you can say we are not in the 50/60's and it is 2019 and we have numourous forms of birth control (something for everyone). So abortion SHOULD be on the decrease. But it is not, by just Planned Parenthood's own stats.
i am moved by your post, but also a little confused. I am not condeming your post at all; as no option is great at any age when you find yourself pregnant when you don't want to be. There are consequences for every option.
But, are you posting that an abortion is/should be favored over adoption based on your experience with your bio and adoptive Moms? Just asking and trying to understand your post thoroughly.
I'm just pointing out that no matter what choice you make if you find yourself pregnant in an untenable situation that all choices should be available and safe.
All choices on this issue carry their own emotional baggage, for life. 
My point to all this is that...this New York Law goes way, way too far down a big ole rabbit hole...Somewhere I really don't think we really actually want to go. Doing a late term abortion, partial birth abortion, or up to birth, whatever you want to call it; isn't really abortion, but infantcide.
Rape/incest are such a so very small portion of abortions. Like less than 1-2%. And even those do not have to be done 2nd or 3rd trimester.
This Law has went way too far.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I can empathize with someone struggling to accept being rejected by their biologic mother. Those mothers who did not want their babies had two alternatives:
One is giving the child up.
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Location: Oklahoma | I cannot wrap my head around this! I am someone who has never wanted any kids and still don't but If I was to be I couldn't give it up or abortion!
I know this has nothing to do with abortions but what bout the old person that has lived their life and terminally ill and suffering and doctors cant put them out of their misery. But its ok for a 8-9 month old baby in the womb?
If I was in accident (im 46) and I was paralyzed from the neck down and no hope of ever leaving the bed I would want to be put down. I know where Im going no matter what! ( I know we are supposed to let God handle this!) But Im serious I don't want to lie there years and years!
The point is that a person cant make that decision for themselves of sound mind but a baby that hasn't had a chance to make a choice cant make that choice!
What will be next! My best friend posted a scripture from the bible said that she thought to was referring during that time but actually its happening now! I wish I could remember the verse she posted! This is all very scary!
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Location: Arkansas | jbhoot - 2019-01-29 9:32 AM
lonely va barrelxr - 2019-01-29 9:10 AM
I'm just going to point out that if what made you pregnant was so traumatic that you can't possibly carry to term then it is a very important issue that abortion remains safe and legal.
Adoption is all fine and dandy, but it is harder in some ways than losing your child to death. At least if they die you can grieve and move on (not that that's easy). But when you give one up for adoption the grief can last your entire life.
And then we have to consider what I am now facing - my bio mother had blocked that she even had me in her mind. Even with the genetic proof she denied having me. So on top of rejection from my adoptive mother through my life I now have rejection from my bio mother.
Adoption might be an option, but it isn't all butterflies and flowers either.
TRUE but you are alive you could have been thrown out with the trash. GOD must have a plain for you. Don't let your mother's weakness drag you down. You are here for a reason.
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Location: Arkansas | OregonBR - 2019-01-29 9:52 AM
When I was in high school (many, MANY moons ago) I took a Philosophy class. My most memorable take away from that class is this. People can and will justify/rationalize anything if they want it bad enough. Once they do, many don't have a second thought about it. We used to be a Christian based nation. Our moral parameters were pretty tight. The Ten Commandments ruled. That doesn't mean all of us weren't sinners. Everyone has sinned. But most of us at least had a moral compass. The farther and farther we get away from the Ten Commandments the closer some of us come to being lost without any knowledge of right and wrong. The opposite end of the spectrum is satan worship. Folks, we have people who are satan worshipers in our society. Right out in plan sight. This NY abortion law is going to keep those people from being prosecuted for participating in sick rituals using babies and children. I'm just going to stop right there. If you want to know, start researching. I personally don't want to go down that rabbit hole. I know it exists, it's so wrong and the people that are participating are sick. In my mind there is no redemption for them. That's up to God. But I sure would like to arrange the meeting.
A little side trip from the main topic, but I saw today where the Democrats want to/are (?) gonna remove "so help me God" from the swearing in of certain people. I hope that was just one of those VERY FEW (ha) things that you see on the internet that aren't true. Certain sections of our country are trying to push us faster than a snowball straight to hell. . . . |
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Location: Missouri | Chandler's Mom - 2019-01-29 8:58 PM
OregonBR - 2019-01-29 9:52 AM
When I was in high school (many, MANY moons ago) I took a Philosophy class. My most memorable take away from that class is this. People can and will justify/rationalize anything if they want it bad enough. Once they do, many don't have a second thought about it. We used to be a Christian based nation. Our moral parameters were pretty tight. The Ten Commandments ruled. That doesn't mean all of us weren't sinners. Everyone has sinned. But most of us at least had a moral compass. The farther and farther we get away from the Ten Commandments the closer some of us come to being lost without any knowledge of right and wrong. The opposite end of the spectrum is satan worship. Folks, we have people who are satan worshipers in our society. Right out in plan sight. This NY abortion law is going to keep those people from being prosecuted for participating in sick rituals using babies and children. I'm just going to stop right there. If you want to know, start researching. I personally don't want to go down that rabbit hole. I know it exists, it's so wrong and the people that are participating are sick. In my mind there is no redemption for them. That's up to God. But I sure would like to arrange the meeting.
A little side trip from the main topic, but I saw today where the Democrats want to/are (? ) gonna remove "so help me God" from the swearing in of certain people. I hope that was just one of those VERY FEW (ha ) things that you see on the internet that aren't true. Certain sections of our country are trying to push us faster than a snowball straight to hell. . . .
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| Virginia is proposing the same law, you can kill the baby up until time of dialation. Murder plain and simple.
https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/01/29/virginia-democrat-proposes-bill-legalizing-abortion-until-birth/ |
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Location: Weatherford, TX | Yep. I saw that too. I think Vermont is also looking at a very similar Law as well.
I could not believe when the Virginia Rep proposing the Law said that you could abort up until dialation and labor?!?!?!? The NY Law isn't any different. They just were not asked the way the VA Rep was. NY Reps just said up until birth. Unreal.
This is not abortion, but infantcide.
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Location: Missouri | Gator Bug - 2019-01-30 5:42 AM
Yep. I saw that too. I think Vermont is also looking at a very similar Law as well.
I could not believe when the Virginia Rep proposing the Law said that you could abort up until dialation and labor?!?!?!? The NY Law isn't any different. They just were not asked the way the VA Rep was. NY Reps just said up until birth. Unreal.
This is not abortion, but infantcide.
Geez they don't even add a clause for the "health" of the mother. This is disgusting.
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| MOGirl07 - 2019-01-30 7:40 AM Gator Bug - 2019-01-30 5:42 AM Yep. I saw that too. I think Vermont is also looking at a very similar Law as well.
I could not believe when the Virginia Rep proposing the Law said that you could abort up until dialation and labor?!?!?!? The NY Law isn't any different. They just were not asked the way the VA Rep was. NY Reps just said up until birth. Unreal.
This is not abortion, but infantcide. Geez they don't even add a clause for the "health" of the mother. This is disgusting.
I went to a liberal FB page and the spin they are putting on it is the right side is claiming that the law states unrestricted until birth, that those who oppose it are misinformed. I posted the above video and asked why it was necessary to kill the baby to save the mother- crickets. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Thanks for trying Rodeomom. Every time we try, maybe there will be a small number of people who will listen and reconsider their position. It's amazing to me how mind-numbingly ignorant they are. Our public schools and lack of parenting. That's assuming the parents aren't the same way. |
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Location: Weatherford, TX | rodeomom3 - 2019-01-30 11:13 AM MOGirl07 - 2019-01-30 7:40 AM Gator Bug - 2019-01-30 5:42 AM Yep. I saw that too. I think Vermont is also looking at a very similar Law as well.
I could not believe when the Virginia Rep proposing the Law said that you could abort up until dialation and labor?!?!?!? The NY Law isn't any different. They just were not asked the way the VA Rep was. NY Reps just said up until birth. Unreal.
This is not abortion, but infantcide. Geez they don't even add a clause for the "health" of the mother. This is disgusting.
Yes, thank you for trying. When confronted, it is no wonder that it was crickets.
It is just mind blowing how they can justify this. What I saw this morning on the news in VA was disgusting. When the state committee member asked the state rep how far an abortion could go and she was 'proud' of the law she wrote and sponsored. And... the VA Governor is anxious to sign it. It is almost like one state has to match or out-do the other! It is like a contest to see who can kill/murder more babies!!! It is appalling!!!
I just REALLY do not know what we are becoming. I mean when a Boarder Wall is immoral and infantcide is not...exactly just WHAT is that?!?!?!?! Or that Trump is the one that is a Nazi, Fascist or a Racist?!?!? They need to look in the mirror at this/these Law(s).
And they call us misinformed?!??!? We have seen videos of this so-called late term abortion, have they? I followed the Gosnell Trial VERY closely and it was my pivotal moment to change my position...logically...no emotion involved. Did they follow the Gosnell Trial or even know of it? I am sure the answer would be a big ole 'NO' on both questions.
God help me...IF Texas EVER does something like this. You will see me on the National news at a Protest and I will have been arrested.
I mean you can tell/see on this Forum...NONE of our very Liberal BB friends have been/posted on this thread. Same thing... crickets!!!
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Location: TEXAS | LIVE2RUN - 2019-01-24 2:29 PM Im not on either side of the abortion issue, however, the new law gives more freedom for women to choose what to do, I don't like the fact that the government gets involved in what's best for me and my body...I will decide, period......
I can't stand this kind of justification, "it's my body I will choose" How about that poor innocent baby's body, who chooses for them?
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Location: TEXAS | lonely va barrelxr - 2019-01-29 9:10 AM I'm just going to point out that if what made you pregnant was so traumatic that you can't possibly carry to term then it is a very important issue that abortion remains safe and legal. Adoption is all fine and dandy, but it is harder in some ways than losing your child to death. At least if they die you can grieve and move on (not that that's easy). But when you give one up for adoption the grief can last your entire life. And then we have to consider what I am now facing - my bio mother had blocked that she even had me in her mind. Even with the genetic proof she denied having me. So on top of rejection from my adoptive mother through my life I now have rejection from my bio mother. Adoption might be an option, but it isn't all butterflies and flowers either.
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