I am so incredibly happy to read your update!!!   I've seen that beet pulp advertised in one of the monthly horse magazines I get, and the testimonials were amazing.  (I'd also seen them talk about Equi-Bone for similar problems???)   And you know I totally believe in PP!!!   I'm gonna come back each day to this thread BELIEVING in good updates

I'm glad you, Jacob, and Chuy had a good afternoon of bonding. . . 

I've never heard of speedi beet until this happened! I'm so glad I found this woman on Facebook that has it and shes literally 10 minutes from me. It's been a Godsend! She has so many neat things in her little store ... lots of organics and homemade pet treats and she gave me several horse treats from Hilton Herbs .. totally safe for laminitic horses with zero sugar and starches... made from Chia seeds and oregano and peppermint oil ... chuy gobbles them up and hes not a treat guy... it helped me get his prascend into him today. He was none the wiser I was giving him a pill lol! Vet suggested putting it in water and shooting it into his mouth like a paste dewormer... but hes been so naughty lately about me trying to put the bute paste into his mouth he can spit it out like a pro. So I just gave him a few little "Herb Balls" and put the pill with them and it was no problem!

I suppose this is how this terrible condition works..  we have good days and then not so good days.. hes decided not to eat ... again... its frustrating to say the least. I'm wondering if its the prascend killing his appetite or just pain... I thought he looked better yesterday but it seems like we took a step backwards today. Hes been standing in one spot for hours and hours... he will eat a little hay but not his beet pulp with his other medications in it. I've tried everything .. even mixing a little of his prior feed in. I have one more thing I can try but will be tomorrow it's called fibre beet.. same makers of speedi beet the lady gave me a sample and I gave it to my other horse this morning because he wasnt eating the speedi beet either! Ugh! He inhaled the fibre beet, I was able to get a handful out before he devoured it and offered it to chuy,  he gobbled it right up! It's got a tiny but of alfalfa in it with added biotin, it smells completely different than the speedi beet ... I asked the maker of this feed if it was safe for laminitic horses, they confirmed it absolutely is. 

I just wanted to add... I know there is no "magic" feed or miracle supplement that will bring him out of this or reverse the damage done.. this is mostly a gentle reminder to myself of that... one minute I'm full of hope, holding my breath, obsessing over watching to see if his steps get easier.... when he looks in pain and not improving I feel sick, sad and just defeated.. I'm not a quitter, but to be honest,  I've had to force myself to come to the realization that he may not get better.  I was told I was basically an idiot for putting him on prascend before a diagnosis and removed from a laminitis group discussion... maybe so, but I'm trying everything I can to save my boy.  I'm doing my best to not 2nd guess my treatment plan with my vet.. 

You have done everything possible to learn and understad,please dont second guess yourself,you are not letting him down with you OR the vet.I always say facebook Facebook smacebook LOL,dont let those people get the best of you.The medicine is NOT GONNA KILL HIM EVEN IF YOUR TEST COME BACK NEGATIVE,and if it's positive,YOU'RE AHEAD OF THE GAME. Give yourself a pat on the back for being so PRO ACTIVE,I've seen posts on here about horses that OBVIOUSLY needed to see a vet right away,and months laster,the same post comes up again asking questions and NO VET GRRRRR.I PRAY HE GETS BETTER,YOU JUST NEVER KNOW HOW ITS GONNA END UP.Keep your chin up,and try to get some rest.Hugs to you.

I absolutely agree!! You are doing everything possible to help your horse! Know you've done everything you can do. 

I've been keeping up w your posts.

ive had 2 founders both were grass founder.

Ahhh everyones journey is different.

im glad u pulled his shoes. My Daddy was a corrective shoer n he'd pull shoes on a founder.

I didn't put shoes on either of my mares till they stabilized. 
I will not use any type of egg or heart bars,
it adds so much pressure on a compromised foot. 
they simply can't get away from that pain. 

I know a lot of folks are very high on those shoes

BUT I've also seen several a foundered horse not walking w/o pain and lay down to get away from the foot pain. 
I went w soft rides for 2 months. I also have white sugar sand so was a plus.

My farrier then put on a frog pad n regular shoe,
she has done amazing.

She's  now in a wedge n regular shoe and riding her n working the pattern :0)

She did bust out w abscesses on 2 occasions, and that is another nasty you will need to add to your list of watches and goes along w founder. 

So glad you got w a good knowledgeable vet n farrier.

It's heart breaking!

Main thing keep the weight off

Stay the course and sounds like you've got your game plan worked out for his nutrition.

Stick w it as long as it works. Don't jump on the lastest and greatest band wagons either ;o)  
My philosophy -- "if it ain't broke don't fix it" ;0)))

fyi- My mare wouldn't eat the recommended well sole or other low starch feeds. So my mare is on rolled oats 1/2 scoop 2xd, equipride, cocasoya oil, U 7 gastric aide, handful soaked alfalfa, grass hay n monitored time on grass. Maybe an hr or so. Sadly, life as she knew w pasture time is over. 
God Bless 

YOU ARE NOT AN IDIOT.  You're a lady that LOVES her horse and is going above and beyond to research and work on a plan to help him.  No matter what happens, you have done right by him and everything in your power to get him pain free.  You hang in there--Chuy hasn't given up and I know you aren't either.  Much much love and prayers sent to you.  

Mine are all on MVP Natural E. You could look into it if you haven't already 

It appears to be affecting his back feet now, I woke this morning to find him struggling to make his back feet work right.. if I didnt know any better, I'd think this horse had EPM the way hes struggling to move , it's like his hind end is falling out/down when he tries to take a step forward. Its absolutely agonizing to witness... I'm just beside myself this morning,  I've got a call into our vet, there is no way I could or would make this horse load into our trailer. I'm afraid this is the end of this .. I cant watch anymore, why did it get worse?? What did I do or didnt do?? Hes worse now than when this first began. I'm waiting for her to call me back and see what she suggests I do. I'm heartbroken but I'm ready to let go too.  His feed has sat in his feed pan for 3 days untouched I even tried to offer him his old feed to see if hed eat, he wont .. his hind feet are slightly warm but it honestly doesn't feel abnormal. I'm afraid to get down too close to him because hes so unstable I dont want him to fall on me. 

This is killing me, I hope you don't have to lose him. I did read hind leg laminitis can sometimes present symptoms consistent with a neuroglic disease/epm. But definitely would put in a call to the vet asap 

I'm waiting on her to call me back. Mentally I'm ready to do what needs to be done if it means putting him down. I owe him to be set free, it just hurts so bad. I sat in my horse trailer and bawled my eyes out because the kids are already crying seeing him I need to be strong for them. I opened his gate to see if he would come out into his little pen we made hes been wanting out so bad.. he tried to go but cant .. you can tell it hurts him. Hes just staying in his stall where he feels safe I guess. When he does try to move it's like hes hunching over thru his back and he just csnt get that hind end to cooperate... then he gets aggravated and tries to kick out his back leg... it looks almost neurologic to me but I dont know ... his back feet were totally fine up until saturday I noticed he was shifting a lot and the vet noticed too when we took him.. so many what ifs and could be's  at this point. I know he was down last night in his stall because he has shavings in his mane and tail and on his back 

has vet or farrier showed you OR mention redness in the bottom of his feet?

No

When the coffin bone rotates dramatically it can cause redness and/or a bruised look on the sole of his hoof.  Sadly it can even break through.

Yep, when that coffin bone rotates it causes the botton of hoof/sole to bruise, you will see alot of pink/redness on the sole.. I'm so sorry that this gelding is going threw so much pain, are you giving him bute to try and ease up this mess hes going threw? Like when we talked earlier I would just give him a bit more since hes no light weight.. Hugs girlie this is just hard to watch , I hope that you have already heard back from the Vet and someones there now to help you and your Chuy..Wish I were closer to be more of a support for you, I know that this is not easy at all, never is

 I'm so sorry. My heart breaks for you.  Please keep us posted.  I hope they have something they can tell you.  

I haven't heard back yet but my husband is calling them, hes a lot meaner than I am, he will be home in a few hours and we will decide what to do. Out of desperation I gave him a big dose of bute and it seems to have eased him up a bit. Hes eating his hay and drinking water as normal now. His body is very tight if that makes sense... hes very alert and ears pricked forward... I went to go catch my other horse out of the pasture and he was in his stall calling to us... I picked up his back feet and I dont see anything abnormal as far as bruising or coloring goes there is zero heat in his front feet even with the soft rides on. This is so confusing and scary ... I feel like I made him worse giving him the prascend now... :-( I should have listened to that one vet that told me the prascend was worse than the actual disease because of side effects it causes... I may get some eye rolls here but shes a holistic veterinarian I spoke with. She suggested no prascend and we could fix him with diet and alternative . I.e acupuncture,  chiropractic,  herbs for inflammation...  it certainly wasnt any more expensive than the traditional route at this point. He sure went downhill in a hurry after forcing him to eat that pill. I shouldn't have listened and started him on it before we got blood back .. now its probably too late and I'm sure hes got ulcers too because how tight his belly is 

Well to me this is an emergency, I'm suprise that you have not gotton a call back.. Gald to hear that he doing a little better now, kinda sounds like he had a reaction to something.. When my gelding had laminits we didnt give him anything but just pain control and then about a week later I did put him on the thyro-L once the pain was under control and I could get him started on his Triple crown lite.. This is just a hard thing to deal with its going to be trial and error untill you find what works. Did they xray his hooves again to see if there was any more rotating that might have gone on?