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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | Have you ever realized that you seem more concerned about rationalizing your position and defending yourself than you are about an actual issue? It's not all about you. Try mixing it up a little. Contribute something useful to others in between your defensive rationalization.
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"Heck's Coming With Me"
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        Location: Kansas | You can watch a a video of Nancy Pelosi in Chinatown SF I believe the first week in March telling Californians to by all means come to Chinatown and enjoy. In fact you can watch Cuomo and De Blasio doing the same thing in NY for different festivities.........don't worry about the virus. Cuomo, without stating that sanctuary policies are the culprit in NY alluded to the fact last week that part of the problem is that we are a "welcoming" city. We're all paying for libs and their sanctuary cities. These people may not be president but they certainly contributed to the misery in a major way.
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| Palopony - 2020-04-02 2:47 PM
They aren't the President, last I looked. I could post many crazy things republicans posted. I have suggested many read his twittter feed.
Whatever happened to the buck stops here?
I could also name a few on both sides who sounded the alarm but no one listened. Tom Cotton comes to mind, plus many opinion pieces from people who study this stuff.
Wish you gave as much medical information as you do political stuff. Anytime you talk medicine I never question you and enjoy your input. For a guy who says he's not a republican or democrat you sure swing right. I admit on it some things I am very conservative.
I wish you would delete your statement at the bottom of your page. It sure does not apply to you. Nothing you have posted on this subjrct nor the President has been open minded. | |
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      Location: Arkansas | Mr Scott, I have another question for you. What's your opinion--- has more damage been done by shutting down the country (for the most part) and the economy vs having only the most vulnerable/compromised be in "lockdown"? As a doctor and very informed individual, do you think this situation could have come to a quicker end with less economic devastation and fewer deaths if healthy, less-at-risk people had continued working while older and/or more-at-risk had been the ones to quarantine? I hope I'm asking this in an understandable way. I was watching a program that asked this and wondered what YOUR thoughts were. | |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | Chandler's Mom - 2020-04-02 11:37 PM
Mr Scott, I have another question for you.
What's your opinion--- has more damage been done by shutting down the country (for the most part) and the economy vs having only the most vulnerable/compromised be in "lockdown"? As a doctor and very informed individual, do you think this situation could have come to a quicker end with less economic devastation and fewer deaths if healthy, less-at-risk people had continued working while older and/or more-at-risk had been the ones to quarantine? I hope I'm asking this in an understandable way.
I was watching a program that asked this and wondered what YOUR thoughts were.
I know there is an tendency to wonder how we would be doing if we would have simply allowed this pandemic to play out, without the mitigation and social distancing. Well, if we are to believe the experts, based on the "models" they have decided to go with, we are looking at a nationwide death toll somewhere between 100,000 and 240,000, with the current shutdown as it is right now (at least through April). We are trusting that the epidemiologists and Fauci are giving it to us straight. Consider this: even if our death toll is on the low end of that "best case scenario" projection, we are looking at a death toll that will be twice that of the entire Vietnam War. Add to that, as much as Vietnam was very costly, with 59,000 deaths, that was over a 10 year span. We will experience this kind of death toll over what? 6 months? A year? Using the same models, if we had done nothing, we'd be looking at 2.2 MILLION deaths. That's twice the total number of deaths we've had in all our wars combined, going back to, and including, the Revolutionary War.....TOTAL. Imagine THAT scenario and the effects on our economy.....I think it might have been much worse. With that many deaths over say 1 year, I think the chances of widespread anarchy and uncontrollable chaos is unimaginable. I actually think the final death toll will be on the lower end, and maybe even lower than that, because one thing that wasn't factored in was the more widespread use of Hydroxychloroquine + Azithromycin. It's looking to me like these drugs might very well make a significant difference. I'm not as convinced as some, but it really is looking that way, if we are to believe in the retrospective analysis of the series where people were treated. The President seems to be pushing for using these drugs more aggressively. Another huge unknown, which I think (or at least HOPE) is that this virus will be far less prevalent during the summer months. It would be a godsend if the infection rate makes a huge downturn over the summer. They say that even if it turns out to be "seasonal" like SARS and othe milder coronaviruses (the ones that produce colds), we can be almost certain it will cycle back in the fall. By then, we will have had time to develop consensus on an array of weapons. I'm not avoiding your question. If you look at Sweden, which is what many people are looking at over the past week, They had much more relaxed restrictions. They made recommendations for social distancing and strongly urged people over 70 to self isolate. They pushed against large social gatherings. They didn't shut the country down. They are starting to see a similar exponential curve in terms of cases. Sweden has a population of 10 million. If me multiply their cases by a factor of 35, they are having an even greater outbreak than we are experiencing, actually. Their death rate is actually greater already than ours. Also, I think it's apples and oranges comparing our country versus Sweden. They only have one city that is a larger metro area, Stockholm, and that's about the size of Austin Texas. They don't have the kinds of hot spots and densely populated areas that we have. That's where we are having the biggest problem, by far. New York has about half of our total deaths. President Trump was probably very inclined to open things up, but he saw the projections and the models, and he heeded the advice of experts by asking us to hunker down for another month. I am GUESSING that he will begin to incrementally ask to open things up in areas that are not hot spots. At the same time he will probably ask that we maintain the selective isolation and protections of those at greatest risk....people over 65, diabetics, immunosuppressed, obese, heart disease, cancer patients, etc... He will ask for social distancing and other sensible mitigating measures, while opening things up. He has a very highly unimaginable burden to bear, in terms of weighing the advice of experts on the science side, versus the reality of the unavoidable downturn in the economy and the huge debt we will be saddled with. He has also been acutely aware of the death toll as a consequence of a big recession or even a depression, because there will be deaths from suicide, violence, increased crime, and deaths from drug abuse. The scientists really haven't factored that in. I happen to believe he has taken the right steps we had to take, to this point. It really really sucks, but I think that's the reality. Just understand and remind yourself we are dealing with something the likes of which we've never had to deal with. I think we are lucky to have the current occupant in the WH. | |
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       Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Frodo - 2020-04-02 1:19 PM
You can watch a a video of Nancy Pelosi in Chinatown SF I believe the first week in March telling Californians to by all means come to Chinatown and enjoy. In fact you can watch Cuomo and De Blasio doing the same thing in NY for different festivities.........don't worry about the virus. Cuomo, without stating that sanctuary policies are the culprit in NY alluded to the fact last week that part of the problem is that we are a "welcoming" city. We're all paying for libs and their sanctuary cities.
These people may not be president but they certainly contributed to the misery in a major way.
Not to mention the politician who decided going ahead with Mardi Gras did NOT help her people or the tourists one bit. What an imbecile. | |
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      Location: Tulsa, Ok | Southtxponygirl - 2020-03-22 7:53 PM
SC Wrangler - 2020-03-22 2:16 PM
A few days ago my nephew found out that one of his co-workers was pretty ill and tested positive. My nephew has been self quarantined and became symptomatic yesterday. He will try to get tested today. Hopefully his symptoms will remain relatively mild. I am worried as he lives really far from family and is currently alone as spouse is out of town with a family emergency.
Oh no!!! Prayers for your nephew.. Hows he doing now?
My nephew started with mild symptoms and began to feel better within a few days, then he sort of relapsed and felt much worse - fever, bad cough, tight chest and shortness of breath. He has kept in phone contact with his doctor. Was sent whatever the apparatus is to monitor oxygen levels. He is now feeling better again but the cough is hanging on. I feel sure that when he felt better the first time he probably over did it exercising and doing home projects. He is a go getter that never wants to sit still. Hopefully he will be a little more restrained this time. | |
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      Location: Arkansas | Bear - 2020-04-03 9:53 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2020-04-02 11:37 PM
Mr Scott, I have another question for you.
What's your opinion--- has more damage been done by shutting down the country (for the most part) and the economy vs having only the most vulnerable/compromised be in "lockdown"? As a doctor and very informed individual, do you think this situation could have come to a quicker end with less economic devastation and fewer deaths if healthy, less-at-risk people had continued working while older and/or more-at-risk had been the ones to quarantine? I hope I'm asking this in an understandable way.
I was watching a program that asked this and wondered what YOUR thoughts were.
I know there is an tendency to wonder how we would be doing if we would have simply allowed this pandemic to play out, without the mitigation and social distancing. Well, if we are to believe the experts, based on the "models" they have decided to go with, we are looking at a nationwide death toll somewhere between 100,000 and 240,000, with the current shutdown as it is right now (at least through April). We are trusting that the epidemiologists and Fauci are giving it to us straight. Consider this: even if our death toll is on the low end of that "best case scenario" projection, we are looking at a death toll that will be twice that of the entire Vietnam War. Add to that, as much as Vietnam was very costly, with 59,000 deaths, that was over a 10 year span. We will experience this kind of death toll over what? 6 months? A year? Using the same models, if we had done nothing, we'd be looking at 2.2 MILLION deaths. That's twice the total number of deaths we've had in all our wars combined, going back to, and including, the Revolutionary War.....TOTAL. Imagine THAT scenario and the effects on our economy.....I think it might have been much worse. With that many deaths over say 1 year, I think the chances of widespread anarchy and uncontrollable chaos is unimaginable. I actually think the final death toll will be on the lower end, and maybe even lower than that, because one thing that wasn't factored in was the more widespread use of Hydroxychloroquine + Azithromycin. It's looking to me like these drugs might very well make a significant difference. I'm not as convinced as some, but it really is looking that way, if we are to believe in the retrospective analysis of the series where people were treated. The President seems to be pushing for using these drugs more aggressively. Another huge unknown, which I think (or at least HOPE) is that this virus will be far less prevalent during the summer months. It would be a godsend if the infection rate makes a huge downturn over the summer. They say that even if it turns out to be "seasonal" like SARS and othe milder coronaviruses (the ones that produce colds), we can be almost certain it will cycle back in the fall. By then, we will have had time to develop consensus on an array of weapons. I'm not avoiding your question. If you look at Sweden, which is what many people are looking at over the past week, They had much more relaxed restrictions. They made recommendations for social distancing and strongly urged people over 70 to self isolate. They pushed against large social gatherings. They didn't shut the country down. They are starting to see a similar exponential curve in terms of cases. Sweden has a population of 10 million. If me multiply their cases by a factor of 35, they are having an even greater outbreak than we are experiencing, actually. Their death rate is actually greater already than ours. Also, I think it's apples and oranges comparing our country versus Sweden. They only have one city that is a larger metro area, Stockholm, and that's about the size of Austin Texas. They don't have the kinds of hot spots and densely populated areas that we have. That's where we are having the biggest problem, by far. New York has about half of our total deaths. President Trump was probably very inclined to open things up, but he saw the projections and the models, and he heeded the advice of experts by asking us to hunker down for another month. I am GUESSING that he will begin to incrementally ask to open things up in areas that are not hot spots. At the same time he will probably ask that we maintain the selective isolation and protections of those at greatest risk....people over 65, diabetics, immunosuppressed, obese, heart disease, cancer patients, etc... He will ask for social distancing and other sensible mitigating measures, while opening things up. He has a very highly unimaginable burden to bear, in terms of weighing the advice of experts on the science side, versus the reality of the unavoidable downturn in the economy and the huge debt we will be saddled with. He has also been acutely aware of the death toll as a consequence of a big recession or even a depression, because there will be deaths from suicide, violence, increased crime, and deaths from drug abuse. The scientists really haven't factored that in. I happen to believe he has taken the right steps we had to take, to this point. It really really sucks, but I think that's the reality. Just understand and remind yourself we are dealing with something the likes of which we've never had to deal with. I think we are lucky to have the current occupant in the WH.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH--that's exactly the type of answer I was looking for. | |
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Ms. Dr. Phil
    Location: My happy place | OregonBR - 2020-04-03 10:58 AM
Frodo - 2020-04-02 1:19 PM
You can watch a a video of Nancy Pelosi in Chinatown SF I believe the first week in March telling Californians to by all means come to Chinatown and enjoy. In fact you can watch Cuomo and De Blasio doing the same thing in NY for different festivities.........don't worry about the virus. Cuomo, without stating that sanctuary policies are the culprit in NY alluded to the fact last week that part of the problem is that we are a "welcoming" city. We're all paying for libs and their sanctuary cities.
These people may not be president but they certainly contributed to the misery in a major way.
Not to mention the politician who decided going ahead with Mardi Gras did NOT help her people or the tourists one bit. What an imbecile.
Please explain how you can blame the mayor for hosting Mardi Gras February 25th when the President hosted a fundraiser at Mar A Lago for 900 people on March 7, and a birthday party of 200 for Don Jr's girlfriend on the same weekend? He also played golf so I guess he wasn't to concerned either. | |
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Ms. Dr. Phil
    Location: My happy place | Chandler's Mom - 2020-04-04 1:24 AM
How many people were at MG?
Many more, I think you missed my point. Why should you be so upset with some but not all? | |
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      Location: Arkansas | Palopony - 2020-04-04 12:39 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2020-04-04 1:24 AM
How many people were at MG?
Many more, I think you missed my point. Why should you be so upset with some but not all?
I didn't miss the point, and I'm not upset. I seriously wondered. We were close to NO on Feb 29, and we honestly didn't realize how bad the situation was at that point. One of C's groomsmen and his friend went to Bourbon Street while we were there, and I counted the days down til I knew he wouldn't get sick. | |
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| several thinks why all the finger pointing hindsight is 20/20 you can say all day long coulda shoulda dam it grow up obama was was our president trump is now i had to deal with obama ypu deal with trump its kinda like hating the cptain of the boat wish it would sink and your on that dam boat. in stead of critizing why don/t you start at the local level shees | |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | Here's the takeaway from all the finger pointing. Practically nobody took this threat seriously even after the first cases were reported out of Washington. Everyone was assured the threat was not very serious at all. The Chinese said it wasn't. The WHO minimized it. Democrats minimized it. Republicans minimized it. Fauci minimized it. Trump minimized it. The press minimized it. NYT minimized it. WaPo minimized it. CNN and MSNBC minimized it. They even went so far as to poke fun at it. The MSM said the flu was a much bigger threat than the Chinese Coronavirus. They even went so far as to accuse the administration of creating hysteria over the Chinese Coronavirus. They criticized Trump's decision to invoke the Travel ban back in January. They called it racist and xenophobic. Joe Biden said it was hysteria aimed at China and said his travel ban was unnecessary, racist, and xenophobic. A couple days ago he flip flopped and changed his tune by saying he agreed with the travel bans. As things developed over late January and through Feb, it seems almost like the world was caught flat footed like a mesmerized deer in the headlights. We couldn't believe what was unfolding before our very eyes and gaining momentum. Heck, DeBlasio, the New York City health commissioner, Cuomo, and Pelosi were encouraging people to get out and enjoy the city even in early March. Now I can understand all these errors in judgement, and I can see how we blew it early on....because the WORLD blew it. What I find obscene is how the Trump haters, including the print and TV media, want to criticize his response and blame this on Trump. The examples of projection are too numerous to count. | |
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    Location: My happy place | vjls - 2020-04-04 11:45 AM
several thinks why all the finger pointing hindsight is 20/20 you can say all day long coulda shoulda
dam it grow up obama was was our president trump is now i had to deal with obama ypu deal with trump its kinda like hating the cptain of the boat
wish it would sink and your on that dam boat. in stead of critizing why don/t you start at the local level
shees
Because of the video below.. I watched many of you rake Obama over the coals for 8 years and call them all kinds of names. Especially over stuff he did, I think this President has done some bad stuff. I do realize we are all in the same boat and have been trying to tell you to be concerned since 3/15 when people thought it was a hoax. Call me names all you want I think he screwed up and he has a problem admitting it. IMO if he didn't see this coming he wasn't paying attention, people told him. Some his own people. https://nowthisnews.com/videos/politics/former-obama-official-trump-ignored-the-pandemic-playbook-we-created | |
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| Palopony - 2020-04-04 1:23 PM
vjls - 2020-04-04 11:45 AM
several thinks why all the finger pointing hindsight is 20/20 you can say all day long coulda shoulda
dam it grow up obama was was our president trump is now i had to deal with obama ypu deal with trump its kinda like hating the cptain of the boat
wish it would sink and your on that dam boat. in stead of critizing why don/t you start at the local level
shees
Because of the video below.. I watched many of you rake Obama over the coals for 8 years and call them all kinds of names.
Especially over stuff he did, I think this President has done some bad stuff.
I do realize we are all in the same boat and have been trying to tell you to be concerned since 3/15 when people thought it was a hoax.
Call me names all you want I think he screwed up and he has a problem admitting it.
IMO if he didn't see this coming he wasn't paying attention, people told him. Some his own people.
https://nowthisnews.com/videos/politics/former-obama-official-trump-ignored-the-pandemic-playbook-we-created
mam i never called obama names he did not alway tel the truth but i don/t know many that do 100 perscent of time get that out right now where i me vicky called him a name go get it right now obama is past history i like a lot about what isee you post but you also assume a lot like this me vicky calling name so go get the proof other upi owe me anapolgy | |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | vjls - 2020-04-04 12:46 PM Palopony - 2020-04-04 1:23 PM vjls - 2020-04-04 11:45 AM several thinks why all the finger pointing hindsight is 20/20 you can say all day long coulda shoulda dam it grow up obama was was our president trump is now i had to deal with obama ypu deal with trump its kinda like hating the cptain of the boat wish it would sink and your on that dam boat. in stead of critizing why don/t you start at the local level shees Because of the video below.. I watched many of you rake Obama over the coals for 8 years and call them all kinds of names. Especially over stuff he did, I think this President has done some bad stuff. I do realize we are all in the same boat and have been trying to tell you to be concerned since 3/15 when people thought it was a hoax. Call me names all you want I think he screwed up and he has a problem admitting it. IMO if he didn't see this coming he wasn't paying attention, people told him. Some his own people. https://nowthisnews.com/videos/politics/former-obama-official-trump-ignored-the-pandemic-playbook-we-created mam i never called obama names he did not alway tel the truth but i don/t know many that do 100 perscent of time get that out right now where i me vicky called him a name go get it right now obama is past history i like a lot about what isee you post but you also assume a lot like this me vicky calling name so go get the proof other upi owe me anapolgy Don't hold your breath, Vicky. As far as calling the coronavirus threat a "hoax", most people agree that the Democrats were not going to waste a minute of time in blaming Trump for the pandemic, and our lack of preparedness. They jumped all over it right away. That is the part that Trump was referring to as a "hoax".....false accusations and blaming, with no admitting their own hypocrisy and failings. Like I said, nobody was prepared for this pandemic. The entire world was caught asleep at the wheel. Even experts like Dr Fauci underestimated this threat. You have to understand that the basic underlying motive behind this blame game is raw, extreme hatred of the President. They don't really care about our recovery from this, in my opinion. All they care about is getting rid of Trump. One prominent Democrat in the entertainment industry is Bill Maher, for example, when he was brutally honest in his admission that he was hoping we would have a big recession, because he knew that's what it will take to defeat Trump.....and the audience of predominately liberals applauded and cheered, just like they cheered when liberal lunatic elites held up a mock-up of Trump's head. Just like they applauded his assassination on stage. Just like they chanted to hip-hop lyrics about killing the President. Just like they cheered at an actress declaring that she enjoyed imagining the White House blowing up. Things like that amongst extreme liberals are not rare...they are mainstream. Many of the liberals are noticeably giddy in anticipation of the collapse of the economy. They want to appear as though they care....but a good many of them, like Maher, don't. That simply can't be denied. You won't see a Democrat admitting that those stockpiles of PPE and N-95 masks were depleted by over 75% during the Obama administration and never replaced. That's just a fact. I could go on and on, but you get my point.
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     Location: Somewhere between S@% stirrer and Saint | We are doing well. My wife and I and daughters families. Since my fireworks manufacturer couldn't finish my fireworks order they set me up with a company to buy masks for my family. I figured if my family needed masks so would others so I bought 1300 masks for sale to others to protect their families. I have surgical masks for sale. I have KN95/N95 masks top of the line. $6 plus shipping. I have FFP3/N99 mask top of the line. $6 plus shipping. I know these are high prices but I paid to have them shipped in by Express air. Just so people will know that I am not price gouging! | |
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