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  Location: Nebraska | Bear - 2020-10-01 5:06 PM
So are you saying Liberals are more intelligent than Conservatives?
Are you a liberal?
This has been researched, and it has been concluded that there is definitely a correlation between lack of intelligence and conservative ideology. Correlation does not always equal causation, and I have been unable to find proof of causation in that department. Liberal, left-wing, ANTIFA, call me what you want I guess. | |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | Who concluded that? How did they arrive at this conclusion? What were the criteria? Just curious.... do you support Antifa? Do you consider yourself a liberal? | |
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  Location: Nebraska | Bear - 2020-10-01 5:39 PM
Who concluded that? How did they arrive at this conclusion? What were the criteria? Just curious.... do you support Antifa? Do you consider yourself a liberal?
Dr. Gordon Hodson and Dr. Goali Saedi Bocci have studied and/or written about this, to name a few. Here are a couple of articles. I find them very interesting. https://www.livescience.com/18132-intelligence-social-conservatism-racism.html https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/millennial-media/201304/do-racism-conservatism-and-low-iq-go-hand-in-hand (note: Dr. Bocci does refer to Dr. Hodson’s study as a source in the second listed article.) I suppose I do consider myself liberal. As far as being antifascist, I am and support people with the same idealogy. My dad’s family especially has been Antifa for hundreds of years. | |
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        Location: Ky | Crazy lefts??? Crazy is suggesting a dangerous pandemic is coming and telling the country its just a flu that will be gone in days, in spite of knowing how dangerous it really is. Bat**** crazy is telling people to inject themselves with disinfectant. Sheer lunacy is not setting the example of wearing a mask when surrounded by others. Insanity is holding indoor rallys during a pandemic and insisting audience members don't mask up. Racist is telling the racists to "stand by". Anyone that watched that debate and thinks trump came out ahead is a complete brainwashed idiot. The man made a fool of himself and our country. Biden is right that trump is the worst president in history. He fiddles away while the country is in a pandemic and just lies about it. While the country is at war with itself over racism he just fans the flames to widen the gap. He lies about his net worth which is the real reason he won't release his tax returns. The fact that he doesn't pay taxes is just another disgrace. And his debt? He is beholden to many of our enemies that could call that debt at anytime. He bribed a foreign country to dig up dirt on a political foe. He is the puppet of Putin. The comies wanted him, they got him and they want to keep him. The tax cuts for the rich will have to paid for by future generations. And trumpers look at their idiot and question someone else's sanity?? WTF is wrong with you people?? Have you not a shred of common decency?? I can answer that! No, if you are a trumper supporting a lying, racist, bigoted sexist then no, you don't have a shred of common decency. And you are probably a communist too? The commies want him. The racist want him. The bigots want him. The sexists want him. If you want him that's your crowd. And you have Faux News to spead your support! | |
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| jd&ez - 2020-10-01 7:17 PM
Crazy lefts??? Crazy is suggesting a dangerous pandemic is coming and telling the country its just a flu that will be gone in days, in spite of knowing how dangerous it really is. Bat**** crazy is telling people to inject themselves with disinfectant. Sheer lunacy is not setting the example of wearing a mask when surrounded by others. Insanity is holding indoor rallys during a pandemic and insisting audience members don't mask up.
Racist is telling the racists to "stand by".
Anyone that watched that debate and thinks trump came out ahead is a complete brainwashed idiot. The man made a fool of himself and our country. Biden is right that trump is the worst president in history. He fiddles away while the country is in a pandemic and just lies about it. While the country is at war with itself over racism he just fans the flames to widen the gap.
He lies about his net worth which is the real reason he won't release his tax returns. The fact that he doesn't pay taxes is just another disgrace. And his debt? He is beholden to many of our enemies that could call that debt at anytime.
He bribed a foreign country to dig up dirt on a political foe. He is the puppet of Putin. The comies wanted him, they got him and they want to keep him.
The tax cuts for the rich will have to paid for by future generations.
And trumpers look at their idiot and question someone else's sanity?? WTF is wrong with you people?? Have you not a shred of common decency?? I can answer that! No, if you are a trumper supporting a lying, racist, bigoted sexist then no, you don't have a shred of common decency. And you are probably a communist too? The commies want him. The racist want him. The bigots want him. The sexists want him. If you want him that's your crowd. And you have Faux News to spead your support!
If you are talking about Trump telling the multi racial group Proud Boys to stand by, their black Cuban chairman Tarro has already publicly said they understood Trump to mean stand down and let law enforcement do their job. | |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | OK so you support Antifa. That tells me a lot. There are very differing views about what intelligence is. It always has been somewhat controversial. Surely the psychologists in the studies you provided are devoid of confirmation bias, right? Liberals love quoting these studies, just like they love quoting anonymous sources. Whatever tests we devise will be capable of measuring only some aspects of intelligence. Intelligence tests have cultural biases, even some of the most up to date ones. Intelligence testing even in its older cruder versions was to a large extent politically motivated. It was extensively used during the USA’s eugenics movement....an idea popularized by Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood. Woodrow Wilson, one of the founders of Progressivism was a big believer in eugenics. Americans saw nothing wrong with eugenics until the Nazis in Germany took up the idea and went further than merely sterilizing those of low IQ. It is true that people from urban communities perform better on IQ tests than rural communities....but my belief is that we really still don't have consensus on the value of IQ and intelligence testing. The intelligence testing enthusiasts never learned from their eugenics love affair because they then applied the same approach to IQ testing and "race". IQ tests have also been used to bolster the idea of male superiority over females. (once they measured brain volume, then later measured IQ.) How do you feel about that? See how that works? Of course I believe it's rubbish. Do you? Those into the intelligence testing also argued that intelligence was/is down one’s genetic inheritance. Again these dubious studies were discredited. In my opinion, intelligence tests only prove that you good at answering the IQ test questions. People can be coached in answering IQ tests and their subsequent test scores are higher. This part is key: IQ tests are not predictors of success in life. The world is full of educated derelicts. IQ tests as they currently stand are very crude indicators of intelligence. Another thing you need to be aware of is that the IQ test is deliberately designed to NOT require much knowledge or skills. It’s a test of INNATE ability - not of LEARNED ability. In theory, someone who takes the test in high school should score the same 40 years later.To my way of thinking, intelligence ought to measure how well an individual can adapt based on past experiences. That is very difficult to measure.
Albert Einstein said: “Everybody is a genius but if you judge a fish by it’s ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life thinking that it is stupid.” Do you believe this?: https://reason.com/2020/01/30/trump-supporters-verbal-ability/
Do you believe that the prevalence of mental illness is higher in liberals than conservatives?
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  Location: Nebraska | Aaand now we see the long excuses as to why proven correlations are false, paired with an article from a propaganda website. Thank you, I think you have proven me correct. But yes, I think mental illnesses are very prevalent among left-leaning individuals, particularly depression. Ignorance is bliss, after all. | |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | RockyMountainRacer - 2020-10-01 8:21 PM
Aaand now we see the long excuses as to why proven correlations are false, paired with an article from a propaganda website. Thank you, I think you have proven me correct.
But yes, I think mental illnesses are very prevalent among left-leaning individuals, particularly depression. Ignorance is bliss, after all.
Well we agree on something at least. Are you depressed? If so, why? | |
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  Location: Nebraska | Bear - 2020-10-01 7:45 PM
RockyMountainRacer - 2020-10-01 8:21 PM
Aaand now we see the long excuses as to why proven correlations are false, paired with an article from a propaganda website. Thank you, I think you have proven me correct.
But yes, I think mental illnesses are very prevalent among left-leaning individuals, particularly depression. Ignorance is bliss, after all.
Well we agree on something at least. Are you depressed? If so, why?
I am very depressed, and have had to be medicated since I was ten. Much of it stems from human rights. The short answer is that I am empathetic. | |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | RockyMountainRacer - 2020-10-01 8:54 PM
Bear - 2020-10-01 7:45 PM
RockyMountainRacer - 2020-10-01 8:21 PM
Aaand now we see the long excuses as to why proven correlations are false, paired with an article from a propaganda website. Thank you, I think you have proven me correct.
But yes, I think mental illnesses are very prevalent among left-leaning individuals, particularly depression. Ignorance is bliss, after all.
Well we agree on something at least. Are you depressed? If so, why?
I am very depressed, and have had to be medicated since I was ten. Much of it stems from human rights. The short answer is that I am empathetic.
I thought you might be. I'm sorry to hear that. Which area of human rights injustices concern you most? | |
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  Location: Nebraska | Bear - 2020-10-01 8:23 PM
RockyMountainRacer - 2020-10-01 8:54 PM
Bear - 2020-10-01 7:45 PM
RockyMountainRacer - 2020-10-01 8:21 PM
Aaand now we see the long excuses as to why proven correlations are false, paired with an article from a propaganda website. Thank you, I think you have proven me correct.
But yes, I think mental illnesses are very prevalent among left-leaning individuals, particularly depression. Ignorance is bliss, after all.
Well we agree on something at least. Are you depressed? If so, why?
I am very depressed, and have had to be medicated since I was ten. Much of it stems from human rights. The short answer is that I am empathetic.
I thought you might be. I'm sorry to hear that. Which area of human rights injustices concern you most?
Genocide is a big one. Nobody seems to be talking about the fact that there is essentially a Holocaust going on in China, yet we try to be the police force of the modern world. Recently a whistleblower came forward with allegations of genocide in internment camps on US soil, after countless of complaints, and last time I heard Mexico was the only country investigating this. I would not be surprised if the results turned up confirmation of these allegations, especially since our “leader” has publicly supported eugenics. LGBTQ+ right’s are also huge. One of my best friends is a transgender man living in Poland, which is incredibly conservative right now. He’s confessed that he’s afraid people will try to hurt him or his partner simply because of who they are. These fears happen here as well. My cousin, whom I have always been very close with, is a transgender woman working as a mechanical engineer among many conservative colleagues who have hinted or implied some... concerning things. They have not learned that she is trans (she’s been on hormones for a while and has always been rather short), but she’s worried that they will try to hurt her if they figure it out. I’ve been helping her find resources to get her concealed carry license because of this. I recently lost my great-aunt to COVID-19. I was not close to her, but I am very close to my grandmother, who was. It broke my heart because my grandmother got a call one night from a nurse, who said that her sister likely wouldn’t make it until morning. One of my older cousins was with her at the time and later told me it was the first time he’d ever seen her cry. This particular cousin was essentially raised by our grandparents for a few years while my aunt was in law school, so this really stung. I’d like for her to be able to have a funeral with the rest of the family, but given a number of pre-existing conditions as well as old age, that would be very dangerous. There are countless goings on to be depressed about. Thank you for asking, that was very kind. | |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | Well, you sound like someone with a big heart, and I mean that. I'm sorry about your great aunt. I assume you are referring to the Uyghur Muslims in those Chinese "re-education camps". Trump was talking about "good genes" the same way people flatter others or themselves with tongue-in-cheek remarks. He is not a proponent of eugenics. Actually, it's a little embarrassing to defend against that allegation. I am aware of some left wing magazines taking Trump's comments out of context and trying to equate him with Heinrich Himmler. People in the upper Midwest often talk jokingly about their "Good German genes" or "good Norwegian genes". Again, they do it as an attempt at tongue-in-cheek humor. I know, because I grew up there. Maybe you haven't lived in the upper Midwest. He also talked about Ilhan Omar and the influx of tens of thousands of Somali refugees into the middle of Minneapolis....an area referred to as "Little Mogadishu" that is an extremely dangerous area with increasing violent crimes. Omar is a hate-filled antisemitic extreme left wing Democrat. I have two married kids who live there, one of whom is a Democrat, and both agree the refugee influx has been very problematic.
Eugenics in America was a progressive goal, beginning with Margaret Sanger and Woodrow Wilson. Also, Obama's science czar, John Holdren, once wrote about eugenics, forced abortion, and forced sterilization mainly as a means of population control.
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    Location: My happy place | FlyingJT - 2020-09-30 12:39 PM TrailGirl - 2020-09-29 7:25 AM jd&ez - 2020-09-29 6:42 AM Biden should agree to take a drug test as long as trump agrees to be hooked up to a lie detector during the debate. That should settle that. Then trump will say he never mentioned a drug test and the trumpers will fall in line and say, "yeah, fake news. our god never mentioned a drug test". Then trump can attack an old lady right on the stage and then say he didn't do it. The trumpers will fall in line again and say, "more fake news from the deeeep state bogeyman, our leader didn't attack that woman, fake camera angles. But if he did attack her she had done something bad in the past so she deserved whatever he didn't do to her". Then the Q-Anon, Alt-Right whack jobs could say "we been knowing this was gonna happen. Been telling you since 2016. Dark to light, dark to light" If I could advise Biden it would be to have no debates and to not even campaign. Just let the impeached clown keep making a fool of himself. Trump is the best campaign present that Biden could ever hope for. I wouldn't even go after impeached president trump on his fake finances and not paying taxes. Just let trump continue to tell a different story everyday. But if Biden has to show up for debates I would advise him to concede his time to Trump. Just let trump run around the stage like the clown he is and saying clown things. Trump will debate himself. Just let him talk. He will disavow everything he said 10 minutes prior. It would be funny if he wasn't taking our country down the drain with him. Complete jibberish from you here...It would be comical if it were not for the fact that you may actually vote. Must be Old People code I can understand it it fine. So other than you think President Trump is a clown... What policies being presented by Joe Biden and the Democrats do you support and why? Let's hear what you have to say outside the main stream media. I'm so sick of hearing about the President; he's a liar, he's a clown, he's a bully, he's a racist, yet not one democrat can actually say how his policies have effected them negatively or will affect them. You haven't said why you don't support Trump based on policies, yet want to come on here and claim that anyone that supports the republican party can't form their own opinions. A few reasons why I won't be supporting Biden/Harris: I do not agree with Bidens tax plan: I don't agree with Trump's tax plan. I'm sure you think his taxes are personal and don't need to be shown. However there is a reason he's not showing them and just like many like him. Some of the wealthiest don't pay much in taxes. Even Micheal Bloomburg admitted his secretary was taxed more than him. Does that sound fair to you? I remember trickle down econimics very well, look at the difference in what CEO's make vs their workers over the years and tell me how well that works. Then they move money offshore to avoid taxes and hire lobbist to get tax cuts and money for projects. I'm really not into sharing the wealth but I like clean water, good roads and National Parks so I don't mind paying my fair share. May I suggest you check out Katie Porter (senator CA) questioning a drug CEO over his pricing just the other day. I want more senators like her. He's going to raise the tax revenue by $3.05 TRILLION dollars by raising the taxes on the rich - the governement can't balance their budget as it is but we're going to give them more control... It will reduce the GDP by 1.47%: the result of a negative GDP is a declining wage growth, higher unemployment, decline in retail sales - The only way to offset those is for the government to reduce it's spending, however he's going to expand the Affordable Care Act, Extend unemployment, give over 640 billion to ensure housing for low income families, 70 billion to HBCU's, he's going ot invest over 170 billion into Puerto Rico, he's going to invest 750billion in higher education.... SPEND, SPEND, SPEND and shut down the US because of CoVid  Trickle down economics work to stimulate the economy(Ronald Reagan) and that's what we need right now after this pandemic. Not higher taxes and policies that stagnate it. I do not agree with Bidens Health Care Plan: Well I have yet to see Trump's although he says he has one. I guess it's a secret. Obamacare is not great but I sure appreciate the effort. I don't know why it's such a big deal for everyone to have insurance (or pay yourself and be fined) seems to work that way if you have a car. Who do you think pays for all the uninsured people who get injured withouy insurance? IMO the people not having insurance are one reason it costs so much. Why should I pay more (rates) to cover the uninsured? This pre existing conditions thing really irks me, go without insurance for 6 months and find out how much they can exculed if you wanted to purchase. This was an issure for me in the 90's when insurance was reasonable priced. Now we have a president who has let 4 million people with a preexisting conditions and going up every day. I have worked with and watched insurance rates since the 90's, never dreamed it would be my biggest expense. The Canadians just think it's crazy that you could lose your house over a hospital bill. I talked to many of them in FL in the winter. They think our healthcare system is crazy. Now I don't know how many people have been hospitalized over Covid 19, but I sure hope they had really good insurance and didn't lose their job. I know I may live if I get it but can I afford to? I do have insurance but I still worry about that. Bet those people are glad he kept them so informed. It will add a 850 billion to the deficit, drug pricing will continue to increase, private insurance will be destroyed, and I believe that quality of care will be impacted based on age & condition. I am also pro-life and can not support late term abortions. I have not seen an immigration plan that I feel is a solution to our immigration issues. I believe Obama deported more than Trump. I don't have an answer but they need to be legal and most people fussing about them seem to hire them a lot. JMO I do not support the BLM & Antifa movements and can't believe that Democrats are sitting back watching these people destory livelihoods. I don't support either one but I don't support white supremacist, Proud Boys or most other nuts either. I do have empathy when I hear stories or see what some people go through because of their race. I sure wouldn't want to worry if my kid was going to come home just because of color. My hope is with all the protesting on both sides the herd gets thinned of a few diots. Minority communities are effected by poverty, poor educational systems, and Democrat leaders. These leaders are more worried about their own pockets, that they are not investing in the communities that have voted them in. They continue to perpetuate race issues in order to avoid the real issues of education funding, economic growth, crime, etc. I do not support defunding the police I don't support defunding the police, but I do believe we have a mental health crisis. We used to lock up crazy people now we just turn them out on the street. I don't think defunding the police is getting rid of the police. IMO I think it is intended to give them some support and more tools to work with. I saw just recently where a lady called because she couldn't control her 13 year old son. FYI he was white and she said he was unarmed but they shot him, I believe more than once. Now I'm sure they didn't do it just because they wanted to, but how bad do you think they all feel? He lived but still it;s crazy. I really don't know that social workers will help some domestic calls seem to be the worse. Biden is not my choice, but I have to vote for him. I have said all along they are both too old and I think the Crazy Grandpa debate showed. Now according to Trump he won he said he saw all the polls. I think the President being the one who spreads the most disinformation on the Covid 19, is embarassing to say the least. When he has press conferences and gets mad because the reporters have on masks just really shows how simple he is. When his family went to the debate in masks posted a picture on Facebook then all took them off except Meiania. Then when asked to put them on refused. Well now they have it in the Whitehouse, imagine that. I don't want a cheerleader for a President, althought watching him sort of dance to YMCA at the rally last night was funny as can be. I want more of a Statesman or Woman. How sad is it when your theme song in YMCA, which is where many will be living if he keeps it up. JMO I hope I answered everything, sorry I really didn't have time earlier. I tried to answer the questions above in Red. We have our colors backwards.
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| I am sorry I just have to respond to this. I don't want a cheerleader for a President, althought watching him sort of dance to YMCA at the rally last night was funny as can be. I want more of a Statesman or Woman. ...but Biden playing Despacito and somewhat moving to the song at an event is more of a statesman. I was watching it live and almost fell out of my chair laughing. Guess someone with his campaign goofed again and didn't do their homework. It was sort of fitting though for Biden... Edited to add Harris and what a statewoman she is. In a riveting interview when she was asked about who her favorite rapper alive today was she responded by naming a rapper that has been dead for over a decade. Now to her credit she did answer the tough question and didn't dodge it. Guess we are going to rap our way into better healthcare and life in general under a Harris/Biden admin.
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Biden should agree to take a drug test as long as trump agrees to be hooked up to a lie detector during the debate. That should settle that. Then trump will say he never mentioned a drug test and the trumpers will fall in line and say, "yeah, fake news. our god never mentioned a drug test". Then trump can attack an old lady right on the stage and then say he didn't do it. The trumpers will fall in line again and say, "more fake news from the deeeep state bogeyman, our leader didn't attack that woman, fake camera angles. But if he did attack her she had done something bad in the past so she deserved whatever he didn't do to her". Then the Q-Anon, Alt-Right whack jobs could say "we been knowing this was gonna happen. Been telling you since 2016. Dark to light, dark to light"
If I could advise Biden it would be to have no debates and to not even campaign. Just let the impeached clown keep making a fool of himself. Trump is the best campaign present that Biden could ever hope for. I wouldn't even go after impeached president trump on his fake finances and not paying taxes. Just let trump continue to tell a different story everyday. But if Biden has to show up for debates I would advise him to concede his time to Trump. Just let trump run around the stage like the clown he is and saying clown things. Trump will debate himself. Just let him talk. He will disavow everything he said 10 minutes prior. It would be funny if he wasn't taking our country down the drain with him.
Complete jibberish from you here...It would be comical if it were not for the fact that you may actually vote.
Must be Old People code I can understand it it fine.
So other than you think President Trump is a clown... What policies being presented by Joe Biden and the Democrats do you support and why? Let's hear what you have to say outside the main stream media.
I'm so sick of hearing about the President; he's a liar, he's a clown, he's a bully, he's a racist, yet not one democrat can actually say how his policies have effected them negatively or will affect them. You haven't said why you don't support Trump based on policies, yet want to come on here and claim that anyone that supports the republican party can't form their own opinions.
A few reasons why I won't be supporting Biden/Harris:
I do not agree with Bidens tax plan:
I don't agree with Trump's tax plan. I'm sure you think his taxes are personal and don't need to be shown. However there is a reason he's not showing them and just like many like him. Some of the wealthiest don't pay much in taxes. Even Micheal Bloomburg admitted his secretary was taxed more than him. Does that sound fair to you? It is fair. We all have the same opportunity to know the right people, work the right job, create the right product to become the CEO of a company or become wealthy. Just because I don't make enought to take advantage of tax credits, doesn't mean that it's unfair.
Did you know that the Deomcrats added language to their coronavirus package that would eliminate the SALT tax cap. The cap is currently set at 10,000 meaning that only 10K of State & Local deductions can be written off income taxes. It's projected that 57% of this benefit will go to the top 1%. For the party that want's to redistribute wealth, this really doesn't make sense.
I remember trickle down econimics very well, look at the difference in what CEO's make vs their workers over the years and tell me how well that works. Then they move money offshore to avoid taxes and hire lobbist to get tax cuts and money for projects. I'm really not into sharing the wealth but I like clean water, good roads and National Parks so I don't mind paying my fair share.
May I suggest you check out Katie Porter (senator CA) questioning a drug CEO over his pricing just the other day. I want more senators like her.
He's going to raise the tax revenue by $3.05 TRILLION dollars by raising the taxes on the rich - the governement can't balance their budget as it is but we're going to give them more control...
It will reduce the GDP by 1.47%: the result of a negative GDP is a declining wage growth, higher unemployment, decline in retail sales - The only way to offset those is for the government to reduce it's spending, however he's going to expand the Affordable Care Act, Extend unemployment, give over 640 billion to ensure housing for low income families, 70 billion to HBCU's, he's going ot invest over 170 billion into Puerto Rico, he's going to invest 750billion in higher education.... SPEND, SPEND, SPEND and shut down the US because of CoVid 
Trickle down economics work to stimulate the economy(Ronald Reagan) and that's what we need right now after this pandemic. Not higher taxes and policies that stagnate it.
I do not agree with Bidens Health Care Plan:
Well I have yet to see Trump's although he says he has one. I guess it's a secret. Obamacare is not great but I sure appreciate the effort. I don't know why it's such a big deal for everyone to have insurance (or pay yourself and be fined) seems to work that way if you have a car. Who do you think pays for all the uninsured people who get injured withouy insurance? IMO the people not having insurance are one reason it costs so much. Why should I pay more (rates) to cover the uninsured? This pre existing conditions thing really irks me, go without insurance for 6 months and find out how much they can exculed if you wanted to purchase. This was an issure for me in the 90's when insurance was reasonable priced. Now we have a president who has let 4 million people with a preexisting conditions and going up every day. I have worked with and watched insurance rates since the 90's, never dreamed it would be my biggest expense.
The Canadians just think it's crazy that you could lose your house over a hospital bill. I talked to many of them in FL in the winter. They think our healthcare system is crazy.
Now I don't know how many people have been hospitalized over Covid 19, but I sure hope they had really good insurance and didn't lose their job. I know I may live if I get it but can I afford to? I do have insurance but I still worry about that. Bet those people are glad he kept them so informed.
It will add a 850 billion to the deficit, drug pricing will continue to increase, private insurance will be destroyed, and I believe that quality of care will be impacted based on age & condition. I am also pro-life and can not support late term abortions.
I have not seen an immigration plan that I feel is a solution to our immigration issues.
I believe Obama deported more than Trump. I don't have an answer but they need to be legal and most people fussing about them seem to hire them a lot. JMO You are correct. Who needs to be legal? Dreamers or border crossers. The budget has increased with every change in policy. So no matter left or right - neither have made any impact on the situation but the Liberal idea of open borders is too far for me.
I do not support the BLM & Antifa movements and can't believe that Democrats are sitting back watching these people destory livelihoods.
I don't support either one but I don't support white supremacist, Proud Boys or most other nuts either. I don't either but they're not destroying cities at the moment..... I do have empathy when I hear stories or see what some people go through because of their race. I sure wouldn't want to worry if my kid was going to come home just because of color. My hope is with all the protesting on both sides the herd gets thinned of a few diots. Protests are not going to change the situations that these individuals face, neither will any federal law. It has to be dealt with on a state and local level. Education and opportunity are the quickest way to help high violence areas and I truly believe this is not a racial issue as much as a poverty issue. Democrats have ran a majority of these areas and haven't done a thing for them. Every election year you hear the race card be pulled out and they are re-elected, yet no change happens.
Minority communities are effected by poverty, poor educational systems, and Democrat leaders. These leaders are more worried about their own pockets, that they are not investing in the communities that have voted them in. They continue to perpetuate race issues in order to avoid the real issues of education funding, economic growth, crime, etc.
I do not support defunding the police
I don't support defunding the police, but I do believe we have a mental health crisis. We used to lock up crazy people now we just turn them out on the street. I don't think defunding the police is getting rid of the police. IMO I think it is intended to give them some support and more tools to work with. I saw just recently where a lady called because she couldn't control her 13 year old son. FYI he was white and she said he was unarmed but they shot him, I believe more than once. Now I'm sure they didn't do it just because they wanted to, but how bad do you think they all feel? He lived but still it;s crazy. I really don't know that social workers will help some domestic calls seem to be the worse. I absolutely agree with you on this!
Biden is not my choice, but I have to vote for him. I have said all along they are both too old and I think the Crazy Grandpa debate showed. Now according to Trump he won he said he saw all the polls. Everyone needs to remember that we are not voting for "Trump" or "Biden", we are voting for their party and that parties ideology.
I think the President being the one who spreads the most disinformation on the Covid 19, is embarassing to say the least. When he has press conferences and gets mad because the reporters have on masks just really shows how simple he is. When his family went to the debate in masks posted a picture on Facebook then all took them off except Meiania. Then when asked to put them on refused. Well now they have it in the Whitehouse, imagine that. I don't want a cheerleader for a President, althought watching him sort of dance to YMCA at the rally last night was funny as can be. I want more of a Statesman or Woman. How sad is it when your theme song in YMCA, which is where many will be living if he keeps it up. JMO He has always said that the virus is bad. That we need to take precautions. We are accountable for our own actions. Wear a mask if you feel the need, take your chances if you don't. We really shouldn't be relying on the government to tell us how to take care of ourselves.
I hope I answered everything, sorry I really didn't have time earlier.
I tried to answer the questions above in Red. We have our colors backwards.
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 A Somebody to Everybody
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              Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | RockyMountainRacer - 2020-10-01 1:46 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2020-10-01 12:40 PM
FlyingJT - 2020-10-01 11:21 AM
Palopony - 2020-10-01 10:28 AM
FlyingJT - 2020-10-01 11:07 AM
Typical Democrat.... You ask them to support their views with policy issues and you get crickets!!!
I'm sorry and I appreciate the well thought out post you posted earlier.
Trying to post opinions or thoughts on this board and not being a Trump fan, is sort of like his debate. I see why you all like him so well. If is was a rainy day and I had nothing better to do I would give it a try. However it is beautiful here and I just have to enjoy this day.
That's a total cop out and you know it! You could have just as easily replied to each one of my points and given your opinion on it. It makes me wonder if you actually agree with me but don't want to admit it.
If people can't take the time to have intelligent conversations, you can't take the time to try a share a different view point, how do you expect change? Condemning those that don't agree with you but not providing alternative ideas, doesn't do anything but prove you are just as bad as them.
I have asked the Dems on here many times to tell us what is so special about Joe to tell us why hes their man, what will he do to make our country better then what Trump has done already, the Dems always seem to dissapear when asked this question except for one lady and thats TrackinBubba she answered in a very nice matter, and I truly respect her for her answer. I really think that the Dems on here really dont know why they love Biden, they hate Trump so much they dont care who or what they are voting for they just dont want Trump to win again. Trump has done so much for us in his 4 years and give him another 4 years and its going to be WOW look at what this man has done for us. Trump is a strong man and he dont take $hit off no body... Looking at Trump and then Joe up on that stage the other night of the debate it was WOW Joe looks so sick, weak, frail and lost againstTrump. How could the Dems want such a weak, frail and sicky man for their President? There is no way Joe can stand up for our rights against any other country that wants to destory us.
I have asked the Dems to start a thread about Joe and tell us all the goods on him but they wont because they cant, they dont know why. All they know how to do is Trash Talk About Trump!!!!
I don’t like Biden.
I hav'nt read all your replys to Bear, and you may have said it already and I may have missed it, But why do you not like Biden? So are you voting for Biden? | |
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Miracle in the Making
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| question i have heard biden say racial slurs but never heard trump say it i did see him mock the guy that was handicapped not talking about trumps companies or eployees or .. trump himself. i looked and could not but biden oh yes | |
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"Heck's Coming With Me"
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        Location: Kansas | Remember at the debate when Trump said Biden, in a speech to our military guys, had called them "stupid bastards." Biden kept saying "show the tape, show the tape." Well they've run it again and again on FOX. He did call them that in a rather rude and heated fashion, then turned around and said what a dull group they were. I think the old fart thought he was being funny but it wasn't showing in these soldiers faces.
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