musikmaker - 2014-04-24 3:13 PM

....(the meat's always swingin at the Hat.....

TXBO - 2014-04-24 3:58 PM I'm planning a trip ski trip for next winter in Park Lake. How long of a drive is it to "the Hat"?

Whiteboy - 2014-04-24 4:04 PM Interesting thing just happened.  I just had the helicopter pilot that rounded up the cattle in my office.    Mr. Carter is a local guy that has made a living rounding up wild horses for the blm and taking the Govt. trappers on predator reduction projects.  He is probably the best man for this type of thing as far as his pilot skills go.  He believes that Bundy has done nothing about the cattle because he can not.   There were cows that would charge the helicopter and try to hook it from underneath.  Several of the cattle killed were in self defense.  He know of another pilot that had been contracted with bundy prior to this fiasco and they were only able to round up 4 head. 

foundation horse - 2014-04-24 3:33 PM It would appear the The Nevada State Constitution and 43 U.S.C Section 1733 are conflict of each other. Section 1733 states in effect The BLM should resolve all legal matters as locally as possible.

 

TXBO - 2014-04-24 2:58 PM I'm planning a trip ski trip for next winter in Park Lake. How long of a drive is it to "the Hat"?

musikmaker - 2014-04-24 4:27 PM I don't know where Park Lake is?  Park City is about 400 miles though...and, alas, we close during the winter, guess I'll have to rievise that to:  "The meat's always swingin in the heat"?  lol...

Nevertooold - 2014-04-24 3:11 PM Bundy has definitely just shot himself in the foot as he is on every left channel right now. What a dumb ass. His supporters will be dropping like flies. What is really sad is he made some valid points. The government does keep people enslaved when they are on government subsidies and living in public housing. They teach people to sit back and do nothing rather then teaching them to take care of themselves.  

TXBO - 2014-04-24 3:32 PM LOL!  Yes, Park City.  When is your season? 

musikmaker - 2014-04-24 4:36 PM


Interesting that the 'left media' had nothing to say until this...then, in my mind, they really took it out of context. 
I've known way too many older folks who talk just like him...they just don't hear how it sounds to those of us raised after the '60's" ...I gave up trying to 'educate' them to the 'new pc' long ago...I get their point.

For those willing to drop the issue of gov't overreach because of this, it never was about the cattle...or even Bundy.  We should ask why he's suddenly 'enemy #1'.  THAT'S scary!  They're after him now...why?  Hmmm...
 

FinneyQuarterHorses - 2014-04-24 4:32 PM I do have a couple of questions for the people who would like the Federal Government to turn over the Nevada land to the State of Nevada. No meaness implied, I just would like to know what people think: First, the BLM grazing fees are $1.35 AUM, and State of Nevada grazing fees are $12 AUM (that is what I was told). On that note alone, it doesn't seem to make financial sense to want to pay $12 per month instead of $1.35 per month. Are state regulations and grazing practices that much loser in Nevada that a nearly 10 times increase in rent would be beneficial to the rancher? And if the rules do allow more livestock, would adequate grazing be maintained? I don't know about the rest of you folks but the terrain looked like you needed that 1/2 million acres to support 500 cows, plus, the cows looked like marathon runners instead of tender beef on the hoof. Secondly, if the State of Nevada (or other states) could not adequately care for the land, wouldn't it be logical for them to sell it to the highest bidder or raise grazing rates, a lot? It just seems that the Ted Turners of the world would take an opportunity to buy up that much land and run with it, leaving the ranchers, recreational people, hunters, etc. with no access at all. I don't think there is any outbidding people like TT for large parcels of land like that. It certainly wasn't possible in Nebraska when he bought up large chunks of Nebraska Sandhills, tore out all the fences and kicked all the ranch help off. It just seems to me that this is a case of being careful what you wish for.

equussynergy - 2014-04-24 6:17 PM I saw the video with the "racist" comments they were nothing more than obvserving that those people on goverment assistance are still slaves only to a different master. 



The only difference was they had to work for their housing and care and now they don't have to do a thing for it.

In the past at least they had to learn to work for what they get now all they learn is to stick a hand out. This statement can be made about every race.





 

equussynergy - 2014-04-24 6:17 PM I saw the video with the "racist" comments they were nothing more than obvserving that those people on goverment assistance are still slaves only to a different master. 



The only difference was they had to work for their housing and care and now they don't have to do a thing for it.

In the past at least they had to learn to work for what they get now all they learn is to stick a hand out. This statement can be made about every race.





 

musikmaker - 2014-04-24 6:05 PM


I'm quite certain you hit on the very reason this has been 'left under the rug' for so so long.
It has been discussed...the end opinion being that the state & fed should still do the right thing simply because it's the kingpin of our country...the ownership of real property.  To deny that possibility & opportunity is to deny our basic right.  I also know that we have anti-trust & anti-monopoly laws which should prevent the scenario you described.  Aside from that...I don't see anyone buying most of the land as it's remote, rough, roadless...there's little or no water...we haven't come far enough to make it habitable and I doubt we ever will.  
Fear is the controlling factor here...and there's lots of 'groups' who want to cntrol it with tax payer money.
Archeologists come to mind.  I find archeology interesting, however, it's become nothing more than a gov't sponsored hobby & the laws (antiquities act) surrounding it are ridiculous.  Are we willing to continue to sponsor this kind of waste?  Does it do us one bit of good studying what people ate however many years ago?  They have an open top bucket of our $$'s to grab right now...
As always, it seems to come down to money.  Power.  While the majority of the world is playing Candy Crush for fun, some play the real power game for keeps.  In the end it's still just a game, though.  A sick one.  With us the 'voting' pawns...almost makes ya laugh.

Yes.  Most of us out here still support the fed disposing of the land as intended.  We'll deal with the aftermath, but, it's the right thing to do.  There's hope that the states can provide better management for most areas that would include mining, grazing, exploration...and tourism.  At least for Utah, we know that tourism is a boost to our economy, we also know that it's not 'productive' and is reliant on global economy...we must 'produce' to stay afloat.  Right now the fed controls the land that could produce & be a viable resource for the citizens of Utah.