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Location: Broxton, Ga | Three 4 Luck - 2014-04-23 6:30 PM It's storming. I'm bored. But not bored enough to fold clothes. 
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Location: North Texas | FinneyQuarterHorses - 2014-04-24 7:54 PM musikmaker - 2014-04-24 6:05 PM FinneyQuarterHorses - 2014-04-24 4:32 PM I do have a couple of questions for the people who would like the Federal Government to turn over the Nevada land to the State of Nevada. No meaness implied, I just would like to know what people think: First, the BLM grazing fees are $1.35 AUM, and State of Nevada grazing fees are $12 AUM (that is what I was told). On that note alone, it doesn't seem to make financial sense to want to pay $12 per month instead of $1.35 per month. Are state regulations and grazing practices that much loser in Nevada that a nearly 10 times increase in rent would be beneficial to the rancher? And if the rules do allow more livestock, would adequate grazing be maintained? I don't know about the rest of you folks but the terrain looked like you needed that 1/2 million acres to support 500 cows, plus, the cows looked like marathon runners instead of tender beef on the hoof. Secondly, if the State of Nevada (or other states) could not adequately care for the land, wouldn't it be logical for them to sell it to the highest bidder or raise grazing rates, a lot? It just seems that the Ted Turners of the world would take an opportunity to buy up that much land and run with it, leaving the ranchers, recreational people, hunters, etc. with no access at all. I don't think there is any outbidding people like TT for large parcels of land like that. It certainly wasn't possible in Nebraska when he bought up large chunks of Nebraska Sandhills, tore out all the fences and kicked all the ranch help off. It just seems to me that this is a case of being careful what you wish for. I'm quite certain you hit on the very reason this has been 'left under the rug' for so so long.
It has been discussed...the end opinion being that the state & fed should still do the right thing simply because it's the kingpin of our country...the ownership of real property. To deny that possibility & opportunity is to deny our basic right. I also know that we have anti-trust & anti-monopoly laws which should prevent the scenario you described. Aside from that...I don't see anyone buying most of the land as it's remote, rough, roadless...there's little or no water...we haven't come far enough to make it habitable and I doubt we ever will.
Fear is the controlling factor here...and there's lots of 'groups' who want to cntrol it with tax payer money.
Archeologists come to mind. I find archeology interesting, however, it's become nothing more than a gov't sponsored hobby & the laws (antiquities act) surrounding it are ridiculous. Are we willing to continue to sponsor this kind of waste? Does it do us one bit of good studying what people ate however many years ago? They have an open top bucket of our $$'s to grab right now...
As always, it seems to come down to money. Power. While the majority of the world is playing Candy Crush for fun, some play the real power game for keeps. In the end it's still just a game, though. A sick one. With us the 'voting' pawns...almost makes ya laugh.
Yes. Most of us out here still support the fed disposing of the land as intended. We'll deal with the aftermath, but, it's the right thing to do. There's hope that the states can provide better management for most areas that would include mining, grazing, exploration...and tourism. At least for Utah, we know that tourism is a boost to our economy, we also know that it's not 'productive' and is reliant on global economy...we must 'produce' to stay afloat. Right now the fed controls the land that could produce & be a viable resource for the citizens of Utah.
"Yes. Most of us out here still support the fed disposing of the land as intended. We'll deal with the aftermath, but, it's the right thing to do. There's hope that the states can provide better management for most areas that would include mining, grazing, exploration...and tourism. At least for Utah, we know that tourism is a boost to our economy, we also know that it's not 'productive' and is reliant on global economy...we must 'produce' to stay afloat. Right now the fed controls the land that could produce & be a viable resource for the citizens of Utah." Ah... I see where you are coming from now. By most of us, I assume you mean the hotel & tourism, oil, gas and mineral industry which is becoming increasingly incompatible with grazing. Your concern isn't the rancher who will have to pay ten times more to graze his cattle, if he is allowed to graze at all, but for the people like yourself who are involved in a more lucrative industry. Power and money. You said it. Just don't pretend that you are advocating it for "freedom" and the "poor, abused rancher".
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | FinneyQuarterHorses - 2014-04-24 6:54 PM musikmaker - 2014-04-24 6:05 PM FinneyQuarterHorses - 2014-04-24 4:32 PM I do have a couple of questions for the people who would like the Federal Government to turn over the Nevada land to the State of Nevada. No meaness implied, I just would like to know what people think: First, the BLM grazing fees are $1.35 AUM, and State of Nevada grazing fees are $12 AUM (that is what I was told). On that note alone, it doesn't seem to make financial sense to want to pay $12 per month instead of $1.35 per month. Are state regulations and grazing practices that much loser in Nevada that a nearly 10 times increase in rent would be beneficial to the rancher? And if the rules do allow more livestock, would adequate grazing be maintained? I don't know about the rest of you folks but the terrain looked like you needed that 1/2 million acres to support 500 cows, plus, the cows looked like marathon runners instead of tender beef on the hoof. Secondly, if the State of Nevada (or other states) could not adequately care for the land, wouldn't it be logical for them to sell it to the highest bidder or raise grazing rates, a lot? It just seems that the Ted Turners of the world would take an opportunity to buy up that much land and run with it, leaving the ranchers, recreational people, hunters, etc. with no access at all. I don't think there is any outbidding people like TT for large parcels of land like that. It certainly wasn't possible in Nebraska when he bought up large chunks of Nebraska Sandhills, tore out all the fences and kicked all the ranch help off. It just seems to me that this is a case of being careful what you wish for. I'm quite certain you hit on the very reason this has been 'left under the rug' for so so long.
It has been discussed...the end opinion being that the state & fed should still do the right thing simply because it's the kingpin of our country...the ownership of real property. To deny that possibility & opportunity is to deny our basic right. I also know that we have anti-trust & anti-monopoly laws which should prevent the scenario you described. Aside from that...I don't see anyone buying most of the land as it's remote, rough, roadless...there's little or no water...we haven't come far enough to make it habitable and I doubt we ever will.
Fear is the controlling factor here...and there's lots of 'groups' who want to cntrol it with tax payer money.
Archeologists come to mind. I find archeology interesting, however, it's become nothing more than a gov't sponsored hobby & the laws (antiquities act) surrounding it are ridiculous. Are we willing to continue to sponsor this kind of waste? Does it do us one bit of good studying what people ate however many years ago? They have an open top bucket of our $$'s to grab right now...
As always, it seems to come down to money. Power. While the majority of the world is playing Candy Crush for fun, some play the real power game for keeps. In the end it's still just a game, though. A sick one. With us the 'voting' pawns...almost makes ya laugh.
Yes. Most of us out here still support the fed disposing of the land as intended. We'll deal with the aftermath, but, it's the right thing to do. There's hope that the states can provide better management for most areas that would include mining, grazing, exploration...and tourism. At least for Utah, we know that tourism is a boost to our economy, we also know that it's not 'productive' and is reliant on global economy...we must 'produce' to stay afloat. Right now the fed controls the land that could produce & be a viable resource for the citizens of Utah.
"Yes. Most of us out here still support the fed disposing of the land as intended. We'll deal with the aftermath, but, it's the right thing to do. There's hope that the states can provide better management for most areas that would include mining, grazing, exploration...and tourism. At least for Utah, we know that tourism is a boost to our economy, we also know that it's not 'productive' and is reliant on global economy...we must 'produce' to stay afloat. Right now the fed controls the land that could produce & be a viable resource for the citizens of Utah." Ah... I see where you are coming from now. By most of us, I assume you mean the hotel & tourism, oil, gas and mineral industry which is becoming increasingly incompatible with grazing. Your concern isn't the rancher who will have to pay ten times more to graze his cattle, if he is allowed to graze at all, but for the people like yourself who are involved in a more lucrative industry. Power and money. You said it. Just don't pretend that you are advocating it for "freedom" and the "poor, abused rancher".
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Location: North Texas | musikmaker - 2014-04-24 8:34 PM FinneyQuarterHorses - 2014-04-24 6:54 PM musikmaker - 2014-04-24 6:05 PM FinneyQuarterHorses - 2014-04-24 4:32 PM I do have a couple of questions for the people who would like the Federal Government to turn over the Nevada land to the State of Nevada. No meaness implied, I just would like to know what people think: First, the BLM grazing fees are $1.35 AUM, and State of Nevada grazing fees are $12 AUM (that is what I was told). On that note alone, it doesn't seem to make financial sense to want to pay $12 per month instead of $1.35 per month. Are state regulations and grazing practices that much loser in Nevada that a nearly 10 times increase in rent would be beneficial to the rancher? And if the rules do allow more livestock, would adequate grazing be maintained? I don't know about the rest of you folks but the terrain looked like you needed that 1/2 million acres to support 500 cows, plus, the cows looked like marathon runners instead of tender beef on the hoof. Secondly, if the State of Nevada (or other states) could not adequately care for the land, wouldn't it be logical for them to sell it to the highest bidder or raise grazing rates, a lot? It just seems that the Ted Turners of the world would take an opportunity to buy up that much land and run with it, leaving the ranchers, recreational people, hunters, etc. with no access at all. I don't think there is any outbidding people like TT for large parcels of land like that. It certainly wasn't possible in Nebraska when he bought up large chunks of Nebraska Sandhills, tore out all the fences and kicked all the ranch help off. It just seems to me that this is a case of being careful what you wish for. I'm quite certain you hit on the very reason this has been 'left under the rug' for so so long.
It has been discussed...the end opinion being that the state & fed should still do the right thing simply because it's the kingpin of our country...the ownership of real property. To deny that possibility & opportunity is to deny our basic right. I also know that we have anti-trust & anti-monopoly laws which should prevent the scenario you described. Aside from that...I don't see anyone buying most of the land as it's remote, rough, roadless...there's little or no water...we haven't come far enough to make it habitable and I doubt we ever will.
Fear is the controlling factor here...and there's lots of 'groups' who want to cntrol it with tax payer money.
Archeologists come to mind. I find archeology interesting, however, it's become nothing more than a gov't sponsored hobby & the laws (antiquities act) surrounding it are ridiculous. Are we willing to continue to sponsor this kind of waste? Does it do us one bit of good studying what people ate however many years ago? They have an open top bucket of our $$'s to grab right now...
As always, it seems to come down to money. Power. While the majority of the world is playing Candy Crush for fun, some play the real power game for keeps. In the end it's still just a game, though. A sick one. With us the 'voting' pawns...almost makes ya laugh.
Yes. Most of us out here still support the fed disposing of the land as intended. We'll deal with the aftermath, but, it's the right thing to do. There's hope that the states can provide better management for most areas that would include mining, grazing, exploration...and tourism. At least for Utah, we know that tourism is a boost to our economy, we also know that it's not 'productive' and is reliant on global economy...we must 'produce' to stay afloat. Right now the fed controls the land that could produce & be a viable resource for the citizens of Utah.
"Yes. Most of us out here still support the fed disposing of the land as intended. We'll deal with the aftermath, but, it's the right thing to do. There's hope that the states can provide better management for most areas that would include mining, grazing, exploration...and tourism. At least for Utah, we know that tourism is a boost to our economy, we also know that it's not 'productive' and is reliant on global economy...we must 'produce' to stay afloat. Right now the fed controls the land that could produce & be a viable resource for the citizens of Utah." Ah... I see where you are coming from now. By most of us, I assume you mean the hotel & tourism, oil, gas and mineral industry which is becoming increasingly incompatible with grazing. Your concern isn't the rancher who will have to pay ten times more to graze his cattle, if he is allowed to graze at all, but for the people like yourself who are involved in a more lucrative industry. Power and money. You said it. Just don't pretend that you are advocating it for "freedom" and the "poor, abused rancher".
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | This lady gets it.
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I like this one, too, just gotta love people!
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Location: SE Louisiana | You better start watching what the Feds are doing. The obozo administration has realized they are suspended over a hole that is 17000000000000 (yes.. 17 trillion) dollars deep and they might decide all that land they control is better off sold to help fill that hole.
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | Nevertooold - 2014-04-24 2:51 PM 
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | komet. - 2014-04-24 8:07 PM You better start watching what the Feds are doing. The obozo administration has realized they are suspended over a hole that is 17000000000000 (yes.. 17 trillion) dollars deep and they might decide all that land they control is better off sold to help fill that hole.
The land was once used as collateral to pay for the Revelutionary War...the debt was paid, land was to be disposed of at that point...makes a person wonder now if it's being used as collateral with China, huh? | |
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Location: Online | On a side note.... I know I said I was done with this subject, but I just had to say......
Maybe Bundy should just go to work for the IRS. That's where you get bonuses and rewarded while not paying your taxes. Guess who blocked a law to prevent these leeches from getting bonuses from going to the Senate floor? That's right Harry himself. But he's too busy going after a senile old rancher from Nevada.
Liberals are always the first people to attack a known non liberal for breaking the rules, yet when it's one of their own, or from a federally run organization, then it's a non issue.
I love hypocricy.
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| rodeomom13 - 2014-04-25 8:59 AM On a side note.... I know I said I was done with this subject, but I just had to say......
Maybe Bundy should just go to work for the IRS. That's where you get bonuses and rewarded while not paying your taxes. Guess who blocked a law to prevent these leeches from getting bonuses from going to the Senate floor? That's right Harry himself. But he's too busy going after a senile old rancher from Nevada.
Liberals are always the first people to attack a known non liberal for breaking the rules, yet when it's one of their own, or from a federally run organization, then it's a non issue.
I love hypocricy.
I don't want to sound too snarky here, but there are like 42 + pages of info and you still think this is about taxes................ | |
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She does get it! I don't know what a biggot is personally because I don't go to that area in my thought. Clive Bundy is not racist, he just used a sensitive top as a parralel topic to make his point. If I under stand what he was saying is that black people are just as inslaved by the government dole as slavery. Many Native Americans are in the same boat. The Federal Government thought they would put pesky Indians on a Reservation so they could keep an eye on them in hopes that they would die off so now they developed a people that is dependant on a hand out and not motivated to work and progress.
Clive Bundy is just a country guy that doesn't use PC language!
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Location: Online | smiley - 2014-04-25 10:00 AM rodeomom13 - 2014-04-25 8:59 AM On a side note.... I know I said I was done with this subject, but I just had to say......
Maybe Bundy should just go to work for the IRS. That's where you get bonuses and rewarded while not paying your taxes. Guess who blocked a law to prevent these leeches from getting bonuses from going to the Senate floor? That's right Harry himself. But he's too busy going after a senile old rancher from Nevada.
Liberals are always the first people to attack a known non liberal for breaking the rules, yet when it's one of their own, or from a federally run organization, then it's a non issue.
I love hypocricy.
It started with grazing fees, a tortoise, a bunch of copy and pastes that I didn't care to read - a little history about when who had what first, who's rights have been violated, who's right and whos wrong, who did or didn't pay taxes, who's living off the government teat, and more c&p about "racist" comments. Who can keep up?
ETA: Oops, I forgot to add folding clothes.
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| Douglas J Gordon - 2014-04-25 11:14 AM She does get it! I don't know what a biggot is personally because I don't go to that area in my thought. Clive Bundy is not racist, he just used a sensitive top as a parralel topic to make his point. If I under stand what he was saying is that black people are just as inslaved by the government dole as slavery. Many Native Americans are in the same boat. The Federal Government thought they would put pesky Indians on a Reservation so they could keep an eye on them in hopes that they would die off so now they developed a people that is dependant on a hand out and not motivated to work and progress.
Clive Bundy is just a country guy that doesn't use PC language!
There's probably a lot of truth to that. The irony is that ol' Clive has been sponging off the government for decades.
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | TXBO - 2014-04-25 11:43 AM Douglas J Gordon - 2014-04-25 11:14 AM She does get it! I don't know what a biggot is personally because I don't go to that area in my thought. Clive Bundy is not racist, he just used a sensitive top as a parralel topic to make his point. If I under stand what he was saying is that black people are just as inslaved by the government dole as slavery. Many Native Americans are in the same boat. The Federal Government thought they would put pesky Indians on a Reservation so they could keep an eye on them in hopes that they would die off so now they developed a people that is dependant on a hand out and not motivated to work and progress.
Clive Bundy is just a country guy that doesn't use PC language!
Maybe that's hypocracy, not irony.
I am waiting to see what the FDA does to my product! The FDA charges my ANADA 200-333 (SUPERIORBUTE POWDER) $35,000 a year. This socalled fee is for them to generate revenue so they can review more applications for drugs. But the problem is they don't control and protect the drugs that are registered.
The FDA bills me the $35,000 every year and I tell them I will be gladly to pay it when they control the borders and stop the illegal smuggling of phenylbutazone powder and shut down the illegal compounding of phenylbutazone powders. Will I win probably not! But I am p-issed off and this is the only way I know how to show the USA Government that things aren't right.
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| Lobo - 2014-04-25 11:13 AM Good Grief...Bundy is getting his more than 15 minutes of fame. He's going to hold ANOTHER press conference.
** I will give him credit for giving us lots to talk about and this did bring other cases to the forefront. If nothing else.
FOR IMMEDIATE PRESS RELEASE - BUNDY RANGE WAR - 4-25-14
We are trading one form of slavery for another.
What I am saying is that all we Americans are trading one form of slavery for another. All of us are in some measure slaves of the federal government. Through their oppressive tactics of telling the ranchers how many cows they can have on their land, and making that number too low to support a ranch, the BLM has driven every rancher in Clark County off the land, except me. The IRS keeps the people of America in fear, and makes us all work about a third or a half of the year before we have earned enough to pay their taxes. This is nothing but slavery from January through May. The NSA spies on us and collects our private phone calls and emails. And the government dole which many people in America are on, and have been for much of their lives, is dehumanizing and degrading. It takes away incentive to work and self respect. Eventually a person on the dole becomes a ward of the government, because his only source of income is a dole from the government. Once the government has you in that position, you are its slave.
I am trying to keep Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream alive. He was praying for the day when he and his people would be free, and he could say I’m free, free at last, thank God I’m free at last! But all of us here America, no matter our race, are having our freedom eroded and destroyed by the federal government because of its heavy handed tactics. The BLM, the IRS, the NSA--all of the federal agencies are destroying our freedom. I am standing up against their bad and unconstitutional laws, just like Rosa Parks did when she refused to sit in the back of the bus. She started a revolution in America, the civil rights movement, which freed the black people from much of the oppression they were suffering. I'm saying Martin Luther King's dream was not that Rosa could take her rightful seat in the front of the bus, but his dream was that she could take any seat on the bus and I would be honored to sit beside her. I am doing the same thing Rosa Parks did--I am standing up against bad laws which dehumanize us and destroy our freedom. Just like the Minutemen at Lexington and Concord, we are saying no to an oppressive government which considers us to be slaves rather than free men.
I invite all people in America to join in our peaceful revolution to regain our freedom. That is how America was started, and we need to keep that tradition alive.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I agree that Cliven is not a racist. He pretty much said it like it is but wasn't PC.
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | Black Marine says Clive Bundy is NOT a racist Below is what a black Marine has to say about the Clive Bundy comment. The media distorts information to the point of social division. This is a photo of myself and the resilient, often charismatic, and maybe not so tactful Cliven Bundy. He’s a cowboy and a helluva family man, not an orator. One thing he definitely isn’t – a racist. I found his comments to not only be NOT racist, but his own view of his experiences. Who the heck are we to determine another man’s perspective on the world around him?! Just because Picasso’s view of the world was abstract, does it negate the fact that his art was genuine? Furthermore, if you take the time to do your own research, you’ll find that his statements about some black Americans actually hold weight. He posed a hypothetical question. He said, “I wonder IF” … Hell, I’m black and I often wonder about the same about the decline of the black family. Bottom line is that we are all slaves in this waning republic, no matter our skin color. Mr. Bundy could have used any racial demographic as an example: Native Americans on reservations, whites in trailer parks, etc. He noticed the crippling effects of receiving government “assistance” and the long term result of accepting handouts. It’s not progress at all. I challenge Sean Hannity, Rand Paul, and others to read my comment and reconsider their position in this matter. Individual liberties are at stake here, yours and mine. THAT is the issue. Don’t let the liberal media and ignoramuses like Glenn Beck and that weasel Harry Reid make you lose sight of the real issue here: The federal government is a burgeoning behemoth and a bully on a once constitutional playground.I sincerely hope you real patriots out there who can see through the smoke.
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