Log in to my account Barrel Horse World
Come on in Folks on-line

Today is

You are logged in as a guest. Logon or register an account to access more features.


CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY

Jump to page : < ... 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 >
Last activity 2014-05-02 12:53 PM
948 replies, 89011 views

View previous thread :: View next thread
   General Discussion -> Barrel Talk
Refresh
 
CJE
Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2014-04-25 8:24 PM
Subject: RE: CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY



Famous for Not Complaining


Posts: 8848
50002000100050010010010025
Location: Broxton, Ga
I thought this was a good read......

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2014/0425/In-Cliven-Bundy-beef-about-the-Negro-shades-of-white-privilege

 
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
foundation horse
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2014-04-25 10:49 PM
Subject: RE: CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY


Military family

Semper Fi


5000500050005000500050001000500100100252525
Location: North Texas

I was 'going along with' this article..........until I read this:

“It’s coming out of religious white supremacy, which is that slavery wasn’t so bad, because slaves were well treated, and the Civil War was unfortunate because the federal government acted lawlessly and overwhelmed the states,” says Garrett Epps, a University of Baltimore law professor and author of “Wrong and Dangerous: Ten Right-Wing Myths About Our Constitution.”

I vehemently disagree with this statement. And I resent the idea of 'religious white supremacy'! The Civil War issue of Slavery was a 'side issue', hence why did Lincoln wait  to sign The Emanipaction Proclamation until after the Surrender of The South was signed at Appomattox in April 1865?
This 'history' falls under the category of "To The Victor goes The Spoils" which includes the writing of history.............

I disagree (and always have) with slavery. However, this Author must be blatant to World History which illustrates that Slavery has existed since the beginning of Recorded History.
This Author's Statement reveals His Liberal/Progressive Left Leaning Beliefs!

In other words Garrett Epps is an Academic Intellectual Idiot!


 

Edited by foundation horse 2014-04-26 7:03 AM
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
Bigfoot
Reg. Nov 2012
Posted 2014-04-25 11:15 PM
Subject: RE: CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY


Extreme Veteran


Posts: 464
1001001001002525
Mr. Bundy is not a great public speaker, but on the other hand that's not his job. He is a rancher. He's also not very politically correct. I think his point just got lost along the way. Unfortunately, now he has severely limited the number of people that will publicly align themselves with him.
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
TXBO
Reg. Aug 2009
Posted 2014-04-26 11:06 AM
Subject: RE: CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY



Googly Goo


Posts: 7053
500020002525
What time is ol' Clive's news conference today.  Can't wait to hear words of wisdom. 
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
Three 4 Luck
Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2014-04-26 11:18 AM
Subject: RE: CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY



Accident Prone


Posts: 22277
50005000500050002000100100252525
Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR
 Why do we as a society seem to NOT be able to merely respect someone's accoplishments or beliefs without putting them on a pedastal so we can point and laugh when they topple down?

Edited by Three 4 Luck 2014-04-26 11:20 AM
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
TXBO
Reg. Aug 2009
Posted 2014-04-26 11:34 AM
Subject: RE: CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY



Googly Goo


Posts: 7053
500020002525
Three 4 Luck - 2014-04-26 11:18 AM  Why do we as a society seem to NOT be able to merely respect someone's accoplishments or beliefs without putting them on a pedastal so we can point and laugh when they topple down?

Society didn't put Clive on a pedastal.  He jumped up there all by himself. 
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
jd&ez
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2014-04-26 11:58 AM
Subject: RE: CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY


Expert


Posts: 1956
10005001001001001002525
Location: Ky
 This dude is a racist, freeloading hypocrite. Just what the Teabag party ordered for their new hero.
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
Three 4 Luck
Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2014-04-26 12:45 PM
Subject: RE: CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY



Accident Prone


Posts: 22277
50005000500050002000100100252525
Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR
TXBO - 2014-04-26 11:34 AM
Three 4 Luck - 2014-04-26 11:18 AM  Why do we as a society seem to NOT be able to merely respect someone's accoplishments or beliefs without putting them on a pedastal so we can point and laugh when they topple down?
Society didn't put Clive on a pedastal.  He jumped up there all by himself. 

 He put himself out there, but if folks hadn't decided he was Davie Crockett come again, there wouldn't be so many "supporters" jumping ship at his perceived flaws.  He may be a jackass when it comes down to it, but I still haven't seen where the dude is a freakin racist. 
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
foundation horse
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2014-04-26 3:32 PM
Subject: RE: CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY


Military family

Semper Fi


5000500050005000500050001000500100100252525
Location: North Texas
jd&ez - 2014-04-26 11:58 AM

 This dude is a racist, freeloading hypocrite. Just what the Teabag party ordered for their new hero.

When the Left runs out of options to combat someone politically, the race card is almost always used. This quoted post fits this to a 'T'.
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
foundation horse
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2014-04-26 3:35 PM
Subject: RE: CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY


Military family

Semper Fi


5000500050005000500050001000500100100252525
Location: North Texas
Three 4 Luck - 2014-04-26 12:45 PM
TXBO - 2014-04-26 11:34 AM
Three 4 Luck - 2014-04-26 11:18 AM  Why do we as a society seem to NOT be able to merely respect someone's accoplishments or beliefs without putting them on a pedastal so we can point and laugh when they topple down?
Society didn't put Clive on a pedastal.  He jumped up there all by himself. 
 He put himself out there, but if folks hadn't decided he was Davie Crockett come again, there wouldn't be so many "supporters" jumping ship at his perceived flaws.  He may be a jackass when it comes down to it, but I still haven't seen where the dude is a freakin racist. 

I would argue that The BLM's unsucessful attempted Use of Deadly Force really contributed to Cliven Bundy's Stardom......................................
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
musikmaker
Reg. Sep 2004
Posted 2014-04-26 4:45 PM
Subject: RE: CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY



Nicknameless


Posts: 4565
200020005002525
Location: I can see the end of the world from here!
foundation horse - 2014-04-26 2:35 PM
Three 4 Luck - 2014-04-26 12:45 PM
TXBO - 2014-04-26 11:34 AM
Three 4 Luck - 2014-04-26 11:18 AM  Why do we as a society seem to NOT be able to merely respect someone's accoplishments or beliefs without putting them on a pedastal so we can point and laugh when they topple down?
Society didn't put Clive on a pedastal.  He jumped up there all by himself. 
 He put himself out there, but if folks hadn't decided he was Davie Crockett come again, there wouldn't be so many "supporters" jumping ship at his perceived flaws.  He may be a jackass when it comes down to it, but I still haven't seen where the dude is a freakin racist. 
I would argue that The BLM's unsucessful attempted Use of Deadly Force really contributed to Cliven Bundy's Stardom......................................

This is a summary of events that led up to the 'pedastal'...I think it shows more desperation & fear than grandstanding:
http://www.tsln.com/news/11160796-113/blm-bundy-ammon-cattle

Here's someting else interesting, a task force that's been working on the land transfers w/a look at $$$ involved (I'm sot sure if I support the education system being the biggest beneficiaries, in my mind it should go to level the playing field for ALL citizens, infrastructure, lowering our tax burden etc...):
http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/nevada/report-nevada-would-benefit-transfer-federal-lands


 
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
jd&ez
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2014-04-26 4:52 PM
Subject: RE: CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY


Expert


Posts: 1956
10005001001001001002525
Location: Ky
foundation horse - 2014-04-26 3:32 PM
jd&ez - 2014-04-26 11:58 AM  This dude is a racist, freeloading hypocrite. Just what the Teabag party ordered for their new hero.
When the Left runs out of options to combat someone politically, the race card is almost always used. This quoted post fits this to a 'T'.

Figured you for an attack on me in defense of your new racist hero.

Nor am I combatting the guy. I just described him. You can fall in line behind him if you want. Says more about you than me. 
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
Three 4 Luck
Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2014-04-26 6:01 PM
Subject: RE: CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY



Accident Prone


Posts: 22277
50005000500050002000100100252525
Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR
I have yet to see anything racist except the edited crap that could make anyone say anything they wanted to portray and the race baiters pretending to be offended at the word "negro". Give me a freakin break. Both sides play that game all the time but some people only want to believe the other side does it.
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
CurlyQ
Reg. Sep 2006
Posted 2014-04-26 6:18 PM
Subject: RE: CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY


Cold hands and Warm Heart


500050002000200010025
Location: oklahoma
Three 4 Luck - 2014-04-26 6:01 PM I have yet to see anything racist except the edited crap that could make anyone say anything they wanted to portray and the race baiters pretending to be offended at the word "negro". Give me a freakin break. Both sides play that game all the time but some people only want to believe the other side does it.


 people use the race card whenever they have no point to make and have to toss that out there...lame.
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
foundation horse
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2014-04-27 7:12 AM
Subject: RE: CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY


Military family

Semper Fi


5000500050005000500050001000500100100252525
Location: North Texas
jd&ez - 2014-04-26 4:52 PM

foundation horse - 2014-04-26 3:32 PM
jd&ez - 2014-04-26 11:58 AM  This dude is a racist, freeloading hypocrite. Just what the Teabag party ordered for their new hero.
When the Left runs out of options to combat someone politically, the race card is almost always used. This quoted post fits this to a 'T'.

Figured you for an attack on me in defense of your new racist hero.

Nor am I combatting the guy. I just described him. You can fall in line behind him if you want. Says more about you than me. 

I am falling against the overwhelming unsuccessful attempted use of Deadly Force by an Out of Control Government not falling behind an individual (an older non politically correct man) whom You are accusing of being Racist.
Does Your Judgment indicate You support Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as well?

Edited by foundation horse 2014-04-27 7:31 AM
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
foundation horse
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2014-04-27 7:27 AM
Subject: RE: CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY


Military family

Semper Fi


5000500050005000500050001000500100100252525
Location: North Texas
I do believe the 'Government Teat' federally speaking anyways would eliminated with this concept.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/nevada/report-nevada-would-benefit-transfer-federal-lands
 
Report: Nevada would benefit from transfer of federal lands
web1_roundup_040714JL_08_11.jpg
Contractors for the Bureau of Land Management round up cattle belonging to rancher Cliven Bundy with a helicopter near Bunkerville on April 7, 2014. A new report analyzing the financial ramifications of a takeover of some of Nevada’s millions of acres of federal lands suggests the state would benefit from such a transfer. (John Locher/Las Vegas Review-Journal file)
Buy Photo
By SEAN WHALEY
LAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL CAPITAL BUREAU
CARSON CITY — A new report analyzing the financial ramifications of a takeover of some of Nevada’s millions of acres of federal lands suggests the state would benefit from such a transfer.
A transfer of 4 million acres of U.S. Bureau Land Management land could bring in anywhere from $31 million to $114 million a year, based on a review of four Western states that have significant amounts of trust lands under their control, the report says.
The preliminary draft report from the Nevada Public Land Management Task Force was prepared with the assistance of a consultant and will be reviewed Thursday by the Legislative Committee on Public Lands when it meets in Tonopah.
The task force was created by the 2013 Legislature to evaluate the feasibility of the state taking control of some of the federally controlled public lands in Nevada. A final report is due from the task force by Sept. 1.
The discussion of such a public lands transfer has received heightened interest since the recent cattle grazing dispute between Bunkerville rancher Cliven Bundy and the BLM.
Demar Dahl, an Elko County rancher and chairman of the task force, said the analysis by Intertech Services Inc. shows that a transfer is not only economically feasible but even beneficial to Nevada.
“The way those numbers turned out it looks like we can surely afford it,” he said. “Not only afford it but the state could make a lot of revenue having the land and managing it ourselves.”
The revenues would come from the sale and lease of the resources on the lands, including through mining and grazing, Dahl said.
In recent comments U.S. Sen. Dean Heller, R-Nev., said he supports the work of the task force.
But not everyone is on board with the effort.
In a presentation to the task force in November, David von Seggern, chairman of the Toiyabe Chapter of the Sierra Club, asked how the state would replace the hundreds of federal workers now working in Nevada.
He questioned whether Nevada has the financial resources needed to meet the demands for firefighting or assisting in activities that would support mining, grazing and energy production.
According to the draft report, 81.1 percent of Nevada is under the control of various federal agencies. The analysis looked at the states of Arizona, Idaho, New Mexico and Utah where federal lands make up less of the total, from 34.7 percent in New Mexico to 66.5 percent in Utah.
The analysis looked at acres of “state trust lands” controlled by the states. Nevada has only 3,000 acres of such lands, while Arizona has more than 9 million acres and New Mexico has nearly 9 million trust land acres.
State trust lands were granted to states upon statehood and were set aside primarily to support public schools.
Dahl said Nevada just didn’t do a good job of evaluating the potential benefits of statehood back in 1864 and so ended up with few trust lands.
“The state was controlled by mining interests that did not reside in the state,” he said. “They saw an advantage to statehood and went into it blind.”
But von Seggern noted in his testimony that Nevada originally received 4 million acres in trust lands for the public schools. It is difficult to trace the benefit of the now disposed trust lands to the state school system, he said in his presentation.
Jim Lawrence, who works for the state Department of Conservation and Natural Resources, said Nevada did receive about 4 million acres of random sections of land upon statehood. The state’s congressional delegation in 1880 persuaded Congress to let Nevada officials instead designate which lands they wanted in exchange for reducing the total acreage by half.
The trust lands were then sold off to private individuals as a way of trying to entice people to move into the state, he said.
According to the task force report, the five-year average net revenues to the four states from 2008 to 2012 from the trust lands ranged from $518.8 million in New Mexico to $41.9 million in Idaho.
In 2012 the state of New Mexico distributed $544 million from the trust land revenues to its public school system, $9 million to the University of New Mexico and nearly $3 million to New Mexico State University, among other beneficiaries.
Looking at the four state models, the analysis came up with the range of $31 million on the low end to $114 million with a transfer of the 4 million BLM acres to the state of Nevada.
The task force is recommending a phased-in transfer of public lands, starting with lands in the original railroad corridor across Northern Nevada and lands already identified for disposal by federal agencies. Other priorities are lands designated by the secretary of Interior as solar energy zones, land designated by the BLM as suitable for geothermal leasing but not yet leased, and lands authorized for disposal in current federal legislation.
The task force is not supportive of transferring lands controlled by the U.S. Departments of Energy or Defense, current wilderness areas, national conservation areas, lands managed by the Bureau of Indian Affairs or the National Park Service.
Dahl said it will likely take action by Congress to allow for the transfer of public lands on such a scale. Nevada is working with Utah officials on the issue.
“I think if we can get enough states to pass legislation saying we want our land, and we all go together to Congress, I think we can get it done,” he said.
Contact Capital Bureau reporter Sean Whaley at [email protected] or 775-687-3900. Follow him on Twitter @seanw801.

 
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
musikmaker
Reg. Sep 2004
Posted 2014-04-27 10:49 AM
Subject: RE: CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY



Nicknameless


Posts: 4565
200020005002525
Location: I can see the end of the world from here!
All I can say is:  At least people are realizing that we have issues 'out west' with the federal bureaucracy & their insidious control in our lives, our pocketbooks & denial of our right to gain independence as a state & as citizens.
Cliven Bundy did well...he's a kind man who loves his family, his God, his country & his cattle.  He spoke of the disparity of the races & the regions...and how the fed should be held accountable for most if not all of it...good for him.  These topics should never, ever be 'off limits'.  Taboo.  Who makes it such?  Surely not the subjects of conversation...it's the do-gooders.  If you sincerely want to introduce 'change' and 'progress' then it must be discussed.

As an employer next to the reservation I see daily what the citizens must endure...and ultimately, how impossible it is for many of them to walk away from the oppression.  It's not right.

No matter how high they turn up the heat on Bundy or how awful some people think he must be, what he's accomplished is amazing...it's put the issues on the table & I know he'll win...if not for himself then for the rest of Americans.  Education...the kind you don't learn in school...you learn it from brave men & women who're willing to stand up to the bully & tell them to go home...they're fired.
All over the net ppl are wondering how an armed resistance could back down a gov't agency...ppl live in fear of the 'law'!  We ARE the law!  That's how.  It's perfect & it's time we all realized that a badge does not give the wearer the right to break the law...indeed, the badge represents the duty to protect OUR rights.  Law enforcement has slowely evolved into 'gangs'...them against us.  We must stop this!
We're a nation of laws...however, they must all be carefully considered before being passed...and they haven't been.  We have 'lawmakers' who don't think they're doing anything unless they pass 1,000's of laws a day when in office...that must stop, too.  It's a mess.
I'm NOT anti gov't nor am I anti law...I'm simply anti-bs. 
We, as a nation, have a chance to right some wrongs & for those who stand against it...back up and be ojective...lose the fear, the paranoia, the false sense of 'ownership'...give us a chance...the same one every other state had so we may all live under the safety net of the federal governement in it's rightful role of protecting our Nations borders so the citizens may govern themselves within...with the right to fail along with the opportunity to succeed.
It can be done!
Happy Sunday!

 
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
IB1UKNO
Reg. Apr 2014
Posted 2014-04-27 10:53 AM
Subject: RE: CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY




2525
foundation horse - 2014-04-26 3:32 PM

jd&ez - 2014-04-26 11:58 AM

 This dude is a racist, freeloading hypocrite. Just what the Teabag party ordered for their new hero.

When the Left runs out of options to combat someone politically, the race card is almost always used. This quoted post fits this to a 'T'.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it ain't a chicken!
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
Three 4 Luck
Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2014-04-27 10:53 AM
Subject: RE: CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY



Accident Prone


Posts: 22277
50005000500050002000100100252525
Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR
 If lawmakers ever stopped constantly tinkering with our laws, then we might realize they're overpaid and over-powerful. Can't have that happen. 
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
musikmaker
Reg. Sep 2004
Posted 2014-04-27 11:03 AM
Subject: RE: CONSERVATIVE ADVICE FOR CLIVEN BUNDY



Nicknameless


Posts: 4565
200020005002525
Location: I can see the end of the world from here!
IB1UKNO - 2014-04-27 9:53 AM
foundation horse - 2014-04-26 3:32 PM
jd&ez - 2014-04-26 11:58 AM  This dude is a racist, freeloading hypocrite. Just what the Teabag party ordered for their new hero.
When the Left runs out of options to combat someone politically, the race card is almost always used. This quoted post fits this to a 'T'.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it ain't a chicken!

I didn't hear anything racist in Bundy's remarks when I listened to ALL of it in context with the issue at hand..."federal overreach', and considered where/how he lives, his age etc...

I don't understand when anyone is 'offended'??? 
What does that mean?  Ouch...you weally hurt my little feelers, I'm sensitive, ya know.
Lol.
People need to stop validating the 'over-sensitive' types who need to get a life.
I give nobody the power to offend me.

 
↑ Top ↓ Bottom
Jump to page : < ... 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 >
Jump to forum :
Search this forum
Printer friendly version
E-mail a link to this thread
 

© Copyright 2002- BarrelHorseWorld.com All rights reserved including digital rights

Support - Contact / Log in to my account


Working Truck World Working Horse World Cargo Trailer World Horse Trailer World Roping Horse World
'
Registered to: Barrel Horse World
(Delete all cookies set by this site)
Running MegaBBS ASP Forum Software
© 2002-2026 PD9 Software