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musikmaker - 2014-04-27 10:57 PM I have questions!!!! I thought I was pretty educated about our Constitution and such...but, history is complex...the intent and the application of laws. So...has anyone checked out the possibility that the citizens of the past 'territories' were not protected by our Constitution? It makes sense...the United States of America...territories were not states, the citizens had no such protection under our Constitution...so, IF certain agencies of the federal government now insist that the public land is still under 'territorial law' then guess what...the majority of land in Nevada & other western states provide absolutely nothing when it comes ot our rights. This is important. This is why the Bundy's are saying no...we do not recognize the 'federal' government's 'power' or ownership...because they do not represent the 'United States of America'. I know it seems beyond comprehension, however, when you consider the actions of these agencies...it fits. Like the 'First Amendment Zones'...
I'm not really following you here, Musik.
Whether it's territorial land or other federal property, it still falls under the authority of congress.
I too am a little confused on your question. I think that the S.C. has on several cases ruled that the Constitution applies no matter what. | |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | musikmaker - 2014-04-27 10:57 PM musikmaker - 2014-04-27 5:17 PM Douglas J Gordon - 2014-04-27 2:41 PM My nephew called the BLM about using Google earth to search for places to gold mine. BLM told him it was trespassing to use Google earth and they wanted to know who he was and where he was from and he told them ot Eff off and hung up. Before the recent happenings I would've had a hard time believing this attitude of the BLM was common amongst them. I no longer have any doubts.
Here's something very educational...only for those who want to claim an opinion by way of knowledge...he even said some things that 'I' didn't know about the Territories!!! Lol. Yes, it's Ryan Bundy answering questions...but, it's very interesting for those who seek the truth & want to know 'why' we're in the mess we're in & what we can do about it, regardless of your feelings about the Bundy's this is how most of us feel out west.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GLC9oDHUaYI
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | jbhoot - 2014-04-28 9:35 AM TXBO - 2014-04-28 10:05 AM musikmaker - 2014-04-27 10:57 PM I have questions!!!! I thought I was pretty educated about our Constitution and such...but, history is complex...the intent and the application of laws. So...has anyone checked out the possibility that the citizens of the past 'territories' were not protected by our Constitution? It makes sense...the United States of America...territories were not states, the citizens had no such protection under our Constitution...so, IF certain agencies of the federal government now insist that the public land is still under 'territorial law' then guess what...the majority of land in Nevada & other western states provide absolutely nothing when it comes ot our rights. This is important. This is why the Bundy's are saying no...we do not recognize the 'federal' government's 'power' or ownership...because they do not represent the 'United States of America'. I know it seems beyond comprehension, however, when you consider the actions of these agencies...it fits. Like the 'First Amendment Zones'...
I'm not really following you here, Musik.
Whether it's territorial land or other federal property, it still falls under the authority of congress.
I too am a little confused on your question. I think that the S.C. has on several cases ruled that the Constitution applies no matter what.
I'd never considered that aspect myself until I watched the video where he said that his brother was arrested & told he had no rights on that property as it was the district of Nevada...his only rights were in the 'protest area' (1st amendment zone)...his brother later called the gov. of Nevada & was told by the assistant that the gov had no authority there, either. He then explained that prior to the territories gaining statehood the citizens were not protected by our Consitution as it only protects citizens of the United States of America...the territories were not 'states', therefore the people residing in the territories were not citizens of the U.S.A.
This may or may not be correct, but, I can certanly follow the thought process.
To take it a bit further...IF the land in question does not belong to the states then we still have no Consitutional rights while on that land...it doesn't belong to the U.S.A. if it's not part of the state...That sounds perfectly logical. Ugh. Ok...consider that the Dept of Interior is not answerable to the people...neither are their goons. I would really like to know this! It sounds pretty far out...yet...
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| Douglas J Gordon - 2014-04-27 2:41 PM My nephew called the BLM about using Google earth to search for places to gold mine. BLM told him it was trespassing to use Google earth and they wanted to know who he was and where he was from and he told them ot Eff off and hung up.
Sorry, not buying that anyone said this. I'm not calling your son a liar, but I am saying that this is a ridiculous comment and I find it hard to believe anyone working for the BLM would say that looking at Google Earth is trespassing. | |
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foundation horse - 2014-04-27 6:25 PM FinneyQuarterHorses - 2014-04-27 6:24 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-27 3:24 PM Hey FinneyQtrHorses, how about a Rural Ranching Course in Reading Comprehension? Would You be able to comprehend what cow and horse manure looks around a oh say An Active Oil Well? An Active Wind Turbine? Cause I certainly see saw both cows and horses as well as the manure around both on my travels the last couple days. And I am confident these devices were on Public as well as Private Land! Your comment makes no sense. Now, read slowly and let this message sink in. Federal grazing fees are $1.35 per AUM. State grazing fees are $12 per AUM. If ranchers with a federal lease lose that lease and it becomes a state lease or a private property lease which will be more like $35 to $50 per AUM, that will add an enormous burden to their operating costs. Now, do you follow that or should I type more slowly? While turning federal land into state and private land opens up business opportunity for those who can afford it, like, say the Koch Bros., it will limit the opportunities for ranchers, because some of the lease holders will not allow cattle. Not that they can't graze under a windmill or oil rig, just that some owners will restrict that practice. Ted Turner is one that comes to mind that terminated a lot of leases on purchases in Montana. Now, if you can't understand that, I can't help you anymore. Here is something for You and Others who feel the same You do to chew on Ya'll Minds. Does the word subsidy mean anything to Ya'll? Here I'll define it: sub·si·dy /'s?bside/ noun noun: subsidy; plural noun: subsidies 1. a sum of money granted by the government or a public body to assist an industry or business so that the price of a commodity or service may remain low or competitive. "a farm subsidy" Which is exactly what You are describing and requesting! Now I know why You started this Thread in regards to "The Government Teat"! You are jealous because you could not get in on 'this' teat! This is at least the third (and perhaps fourth ) post you have complained about NOT getting a Subsidy and accused (perhaps accurately ) of Cliven Bundy getting something that You and Others did not. Now, You are definitely jealous per Your typed out Posts. Your idea of Someone Else (The Federal Government ) taking care of You is what the Difference is between Liberal/Lefties like Yourself and Others and those who oppose You Folks! This Subsidy You have continued to WHINE about absolutely proves it! You A ) either do not understand Free Enterprise or B ) disagree, either way You and The Liberal/Left are dead set against it! Some have called my behavior towards You, 'ugly', I believe my behavior towards You has been from discernment and these post in regards to the lease rates in relationship to subsidies proves my discernment. No wonder I refuse to do business w/ The Left when I know who I am dealing with. "They" (The Left ) are taking money both ways I.E. Frontwise from my hand as I pay them and backwise from my wallet via The Federal Government!
Please, get over thinking everybody wants something for nothing! My very first reply to this post was something about ignorant opinions aren't real opinions...we ALL have the opportunity to learn, to educate ourselves...to get on the same page & support one another. Your refusal to contemplate something foreign to your mind isn't doing anyone any good, especially you...now....let's do get down to brass tacks & figure out how we're going to help save this country! It's in the palm of our hands...
I found this chart interesting. http://www.nass.usda.gov/Charts_and_Maps/Grazing_Fees/gf_am.asp
If I mess up and the picture won't load, this is a map of the western US with each state's 2013 & 2014 grazing fees.
Grazing rights are not "Owned", but leased without fear of someone else getting them since they do not come up for "bid" like a school land lease does periodically (ours is every 7 years) which might lead someone to believe that they are owned. It is my understanding transfers have conditions and parties do "sell" their allotment, but they are basically selling their contract.
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | smiley - 2014-04-28 1:06 PM Douglas J Gordon - 2014-04-27 2:41 PM My nephew called the BLM about using Google earth to search for places to gold mine. BLM told him it was trespassing to use Google earth and they wanted to know who he was and where he was from and he told them ot Eff off and hung up. Sorry, not buying that anyone said this. I'm not calling your son a liar, but I am saying that this is a ridiculous comment and I find it hard to believe anyone working for the BLM would say that looking at Google Earth is trespassing.
First of all Smiley you can't read. Second of all if you can't read your opinion in the matter doesn't matter. I have no reason not to believe my nephew. | |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | FinneyQuarterHorses - 2014-04-28 12:07 PM musikmaker - Finney...I'm pretty sure that the 'state' lease varies state to stae...it's not like a federal lease. Besides, grazing rights are 'owned'. Not leased.
Please, get over thinking everybody wants something for nothing! My very first reply to this post was something about ignorant opinions aren't real opinions...we ALL have the opportunity to learn, to educate ourselves...to get on the same page & support one another. Your refusal to contemplate something foreign to your mind isn't doing anyone any good, especially you...now....let's do get down to brass tacks & figure out how we're going to help save this country! It's in the palm of our hands...
I found this chart interesting. http://www.nass.usda.gov/Charts_and_Maps/Grazing_Fees/gf_am.asp If I mess up and the picture won't load, this is a map of the western US with each state's 2013 & 2014 grazing fees. Grazing rights are not "Owned", but leased without fear of someone else getting them since they do not come up for "bid" like a school land lease does periodically (ours is every 7 years ) which might lead someone to believe that they are owned. It is my understanding transfers have conditions and parties do "sell" their allotment, but they are basically selling their contract.
Not being in that business...thanks for the info. I guess that's a big difference between the federal & the state...I do know that out here on the 'federal' land the rights are sold...I say 'rights' because there seems to be a lot of confusion what it really is. I find it interesting due to the fact that my tin foil hat is askew for the moment...trying to figure out who the bad guy really is...of course, there must be one, huh? Lol.
This also makes me wonder that if the states took control of the excess lands, would they then be able to adjust the grazing fees down or will they assume the greed? At least it would be a more local issue as there's no way the ranchers could afford those high fees out here...it wouldn't happen. I don't know any who're getting rich at this rate! And beef prices keep climbing...so many 'middle men'. It's the consumer who ends up paying in all cases for inflation.
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Location: North Texas | musikmaker - 2014-04-27 6:17 PM
Douglas J Gordon - 2014-04-27 2:41 PM My nephew called the BLM about using Google earth to search for places to gold mine. BLM told him it was trespassing to use Google earth and they wanted to know who he was and where he was from and he told them ot Eff off and hung up.
Before the recent happenings I would've had a hard time believing this attitude of the BLM was common amongst them. I no longer have any doubts.
Here's something very educational...only for those who want to claim an opinion by way of knowledge...he even said some things that 'I' didn't know about the Territories!!! Lol. Yes, it's Ryan Bundy answering questions...but, it's very interesting for those who seek the truth & want to know 'why' we're in the mess we're in & what we can do about it, regardless of your feelings about the Bundy's this is how most of us feel out west.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GLC9oDHUaYI
The reference in regards to States vs. Territories is located in this video @ 32:41 mark.
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| You guys just have to stop searching for truth from the Bundy bunch.
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| musikmaker - 2014-04-28 2:03 PM
FinneyQuarterHorses - 2014-04-28 12:07 PM musikmaker - Finney...I'm pretty sure that the 'state' lease varies state to stae...it's not like a federal lease. Besides, grazing rights are 'owned'. Not leased.
Please, get over thinking everybody wants something for nothing! My very first reply to this post was something about ignorant opinions aren't real opinions...we ALL have the opportunity to learn, to educate ourselves...to get on the same page & support one another. Your refusal to contemplate something foreign to your mind isn't doing anyone any good, especially you...now....let's do get down to brass tacks & figure out how we're going to help save this country! It's in the palm of our hands...
I found this chart interesting. http://www.nass.usda.gov/Charts_and_Maps/Grazing_Fees/gf_am.asp If I mess up and the picture won't load, this is a map of the western US with each state's 2013 & 2014 grazing fees. Grazing rights are not "Owned", but leased without fear of someone else getting them since they do not come up for "bid" like a school land lease does periodically (ours is every 7 years ) which might lead someone to believe that they are owned. It is my understanding transfers have conditions and parties do "sell" their allotment, but they are basically selling their contract.
This also makes me wonder that if the states took control of the excess lands, would they then be able to adjust the grazing fees down or will they assume the greed? At least it would be a more local issue as there's no way the ranchers could afford those high fees out here...it wouldn't happen. I don't know any who're getting rich at this rate! And beef prices keep climbing...so many 'middle men'. It's the consumer who ends up paying in all cases for inflation.
An Example of taxes out of whack for agricultural producers: from Farm Bureau in Nebraska, farmers and ranchers make up 3% of the population but pay nearly 26% of the taxes, due to the 75% property tax valuation of ag land. The state legislature tried to reduce the valuation down to 65% but there is not much appetite for it because farmers and ranchers do not have a very effective lobby, unlike other business interests who are perfectly happy to have us pick up their slack. Therefore, being a rancher, I am torn between wanting what's best for all of us (ranchers), and feeling like the 2% of ranchers who get subsidized grazing fees in western states are getting an unfair advantage (see grazing fee chart and compare NE's fees to AZ's for ex.) plus they have no property taxes on that land. However, for now, that is just the way it is, but complaining about how abused they are doesn't set well with many people who have to pay to play in the private sector that 98% of the ranchers are in. | |
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Location: North Texas | TXBO - 2014-04-28 2:41 PM
You guys just have to stop searching for truth from the Bundy bunch.
If I remember correctly, you have stated that Nevada has one of the most corrupt Governments in the Nation. Now with that being said, did you watch the video regarding A Bundy Son's Phone to The Nevada Governor's Office? And the response that The Bundy Son claims to have received?
Just perhaps, maybe, The Bundy Family has done Their Constitutional Research and said Research does not coincide with current day politics? | |
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Location: North Texas | FinneyQuarterHorses - 2014-04-28 2:47 PM
musikmaker - 2014-04-28 2:03 PM
FinneyQuarterHorses - 2014-04-28 12:07 PM musikmaker - Finney...I'm pretty sure that the 'state' lease varies state to stae...it's not like a federal lease. Besides, grazing rights are 'owned'. Not leased.
Please, get over thinking everybody wants something for nothing! My very first reply to this post was something about ignorant opinions aren't real opinions...we ALL have the opportunity to learn, to educate ourselves...to get on the same page & support one another. Your refusal to contemplate something foreign to your mind isn't doing anyone any good, especially you...now....let's do get down to brass tacks & figure out how we're going to help save this country! It's in the palm of our hands...
I found this chart interesting. http://www.nass.usda.gov/Charts_and_Maps/Grazing_Fees/gf_am.asp If I mess up and the picture won't load, this is a map of the western US with each state's 2013 & 2014 grazing fees. Grazing rights are not "Owned", but leased without fear of someone else getting them since they do not come up for "bid" like a school land lease does periodically (ours is every 7 years ) which might lead someone to believe that they are owned. It is my understanding transfers have conditions and parties do "sell" their allotment, but they are basically selling their contract.
This also makes me wonder that if the states took control of the excess lands, would they then be able to adjust the grazing fees down or will they assume the greed? At least it would be a more local issue as there's no way the ranchers could afford those high fees out here...it wouldn't happen. I don't know any who're getting rich at this rate! And beef prices keep climbing...so many 'middle men'. It's the consumer who ends up paying in all cases for inflation.
An Example of taxes out of whack for agricultural producers: from Farm Bureau in Nebraska, farmers and ranchers make up 3% of the population but pay nearly 26% of the taxes, due to the 75% property tax valuation of ag land. The state legislature tried to reduce the valuation down to 65% but there is not much appetite for it because farmers and ranchers do not have a very effective lobby, unlike other business interests who are perfectly happy to have us pick up their slack. Therefore, being a rancher, I am torn between wanting what's best for all of us (ranchers ), and feeling like the 2% of ranchers who get subsidized grazing fees in western states are getting an unfair advantage (see grazing fee chart and compare NE's fees to AZ's for ex. ) plus they have no property taxes on that land. However, for now, that is just the way it is, but complaining about how abused they are doesn't set well with many people who have to pay to play in the private sector that 98% of the ranchers are in.
Now in regards to The State of Nebraska's Tax Structure, I will agree with you! It is one of, if not the most heavily burdened tax structures in America! And I will agree with you again in regards to The Ag Sector paying the majority of Taxes in The State of Nebraska. Only State that I am aware that taxes a vehicle on A) Weight, B)/C Age, Current Market Value which ties in w/ age, and D) Type of Use.
Ex: An Ag Use Ranch Pickup has a greater tax burden than a Passenger Car. | |
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| No, I didn't see that part.
I listened to some of his constitutional research. Some was expedient and abreviated and some was just plain wrong so I clicked off. | |
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Location: North Texas | TXBO - 2014-04-28 3:01 PM
No, I didn't see that part.
I listened to some of his constitutional research. Some was expedient and abreviated and some was just plain wrong so I clicked off.
I just happen to have a Copy of The Constitution by my machine so I followed along. I agree about abbreviating parts of The Constitution. However, I found no wrongful quotes from following along. | |
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| Douglas J Gordon - 2014-04-28 12:51 PM smiley - 2014-04-28 1:06 PM Douglas J Gordon - 2014-04-27 2:41 PM My nephew called the BLM about using Google earth to search for places to gold mine. BLM told him it was trespassing to use Google earth and they wanted to know who he was and where he was from and he told them ot Eff off and hung up. Sorry, not buying that anyone said this. I'm not calling your son a liar, but I am saying that this is a ridiculous comment and I find it hard to believe anyone working for the BLM would say that looking at Google Earth is trespassing.
I don't think someone is that stupid to say that looking at anything provided by Google Earth is tresspassing.
Of course, if you want to believe it was said and by someone that is actually employed at the BLM, by all means, I'm just participating on a public forum as to what I think about it. 
Oh, what part of this did I not read? "BLM told him it was trespassing to use Google earth"
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | foundation horse - 2014-04-28 2:00 PM FinneyQuarterHorses - 2014-04-28 2:47 PM musikmaker - 2014-04-28 2:03 PM FinneyQuarterHorses - 2014-04-28 12:07 PM musikmaker - Finney...I'm pretty sure that the 'state' lease varies state to stae...it's not like a federal lease. Besides, grazing rights are 'owned'. Not leased.
Please, get over thinking everybody wants something for nothing! My very first reply to this post was something about ignorant opinions aren't real opinions...we ALL have the opportunity to learn, to educate ourselves...to get on the same page & support one another. Your refusal to contemplate something foreign to your mind isn't doing anyone any good, especially you...now....let's do get down to brass tacks & figure out how we're going to help save this country! It's in the palm of our hands...
I found this chart interesting. http://www.nass.usda.gov/Charts_and_Maps/Grazing_Fees/gf_am.asp If I mess up and the picture won't load, this is a map of the western US with each state's 2013 & 2014 grazing fees. Grazing rights are not "Owned", but leased without fear of someone else getting them since they do not come up for "bid" like a school land lease does periodically (ours is every 7 years ) which might lead someone to believe that they are owned. It is my understanding transfers have conditions and parties do "sell" their allotment, but they are basically selling their contract.
This also makes me wonder that if the states took control of the excess lands, would they then be able to adjust the grazing fees down or will they assume the greed? At least it would be a more local issue as there's no way the ranchers could afford those high fees out here...it wouldn't happen. I don't know any who're getting rich at this rate! And beef prices keep climbing...so many 'middle men'. It's the consumer who ends up paying in all cases for inflation.
An Example of taxes out of whack for agricultural producers: from Farm Bureau in Nebraska, farmers and ranchers make up 3% of the population but pay nearly 26% of the taxes, due to the 75% property tax valuation of ag land. The state legislature tried to reduce the valuation down to 65% but there is not much appetite for it because farmers and ranchers do not have a very effective lobby, unlike other business interests who are perfectly happy to have us pick up their slack. Therefore, being a rancher, I am torn between wanting what's best for all of us (ranchers ), and feeling like the 2% of ranchers who get subsidized grazing fees in western states are getting an unfair advantage (see grazing fee chart and compare NE's fees to AZ's for ex. ) plus they have no property taxes on that land. However, for now, that is just the way it is, but complaining about how abused they are doesn't set well with many people who have to pay to play in the private sector that 98% of the ranchers are in. Now in regards to The State of Nebraska's Tax Structure, I will agree with you! It is one of, if not the most heavily burdened tax structures in America! And I will agree with you again in regards to The Ag Sector paying the majority of Taxes in The State of Nebraska. Only State that I am aware that taxes a vehicle on A ) Weight, B )/C Age, Current Market Value which ties in w/ age, and D ) Type of Use. Ex: An Ag Use Ranch Pickup has a greater tax burden than a Passenger Car.
I agree that the producers (especially the 'little guy') are the ones carrying the load...but, this goes for ALL producers, and everywhere. It's breaking us.
So...this is leading back to the topic of Bundy's and how some see them as complaining about how abused they are...I don't know the Bundy's personally, I just don't see or hear what you do on this. Maybe because it's a fight that's been brewing for so long out here...and it's close to our hearts, the land, I mean.
We support multiple use...that's ranching, hunting, mining & recreation. They're shutting Americans out of it little by little. Creating unnecessary parks, closing roads & trails that have been here for a very long time & under county maintenance. They even install rv parks & other 'businesses' that are in direct competition with private enterprise...these things fly in the face of what our Nation is supposed to be. And it certainly is in our Constitution.
Bundy's are merely another voice...one that they're trying to shut up. With reason...they know their stuff. They know the Constitution & are instisting that the gov't live up to their end of the bargain. It really doesn't have anything to do with states that aren't fighting this same fight...it's our fight & one we can win if we could remove pretend 'stakeholders' from the mix. Sierra Club, Nature Conservancy, Hollywood, Earth First...and yes, the uneducated voter who bought into all it, literally.
As to the state grazing fees, that's a state issue & again, our governments on all levels are out of control. For the money they rake in we don't get much out of it...they forgot the KISS (take that any way! Lol).
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | smiley - 2014-04-28 2:45 PM Douglas J Gordon - 2014-04-28 12:51 PM smiley - 2014-04-28 1:06 PM Douglas J Gordon - 2014-04-27 2:41 PM My nephew called the BLM about using Google earth to search for places to gold mine. BLM told him it was trespassing to use Google earth and they wanted to know who he was and where he was from and he told them ot Eff off and hung up. Sorry, not buying that anyone said this. I'm not calling your son a liar, but I am saying that this is a ridiculous comment and I find it hard to believe anyone working for the BLM would say that looking at Google Earth is trespassing.
I don't think someone is that stupid to say that looking at anything provided by Google Earth is tresspassing.
Of course, if you want to believe it was said and by someone that is actually employed at the BLM, by all means, I'm just participating on a public forum as to what I think about it.
Oh, what part of this did I not read? "BLM told him it was trespassing to use Google earth"
This isn't the first time I've heard of this...it was sometime last year, just cannot recall the details. Sorry! If I remember I'll let you know... | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | smiley - 2014-04-28 3:45 PM Douglas J Gordon - 2014-04-28 12:51 PM smiley - 2014-04-28 1:06 PM Douglas J Gordon - 2014-04-27 2:41 PM My nephew called the BLM about using Google earth to search for places to gold mine. BLM told him it was trespassing to use Google earth and they wanted to know who he was and where he was from and he told them ot Eff off and hung up. Sorry, not buying that anyone said this. I'm not calling your son a liar, but I am saying that this is a ridiculous comment and I find it hard to believe anyone working for the BLM would say that looking at Google Earth is trespassing.
I don't think someone is that stupid to say that looking at anything provided by Google Earth is tresspassing.
Of course, if you want to believe it was said and by someone that is actually employed at the BLM, by all means, I'm just participating on a public forum as to what I think about it.
Oh, what part of this did I not read? "BLM told him it was trespassing to use Google earth"
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | Although I'm not a big fan of Glenn Beck's I AM a fan of Ken Ivory, he was on on the show (by phone) and shared more interesting informatin about the history of the public lands...please watch! This summit was planned before the Bundy thing...I'm just very glad this issue is getting some attention.
And we're digging for the truth...it's been covered up & forgotten for too long.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDll5zHV2Dk&feature=youtu.be
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Location: North Texas | musikmaker - 2014-04-29 8:12 AM Although I'm not a big fan of Glenn Beck's I AM a fan of Ken Ivory, he was on on the show (by phone) and shared more interesting informatin about the history of the public lands...please watch! This summit was planned before the Bundy thing...I'm just very glad this issue is getting some attention.
And we're digging for the truth...it's been covered up & forgotten for too long.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDll5zHV2Dk&feature=youtu.be
Just watched this video. History is an amazing thing! And Historical Precedent dating back to 1780 is even more amazing! Folks watch this video!
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