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HotPants
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Posted 2013-11-20 7:15 PM
Subject: OCD in weanlings supplement success


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 Anyone have success with OCD supplements for weanlings
 

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AfleetEquine
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Posted 2013-11-20 7:18 PM
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Weanlings with OCD? Ouch. OCD pellets if you have the money - turn out and less/little protein (to slow the growth IMO).
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justcruzin
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Posted 2013-11-20 7:24 PM
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It seriously depends on where the OCD is at.

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boldbonanzarocks
Reg. Jan 2008
Posted 2013-11-20 7:37 PM
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 We had a weanling with OCD in both stifle joints, he started dragging his back toes. We took him to Lexington Ky and they pulled all the fluid off his stifle joint and re injected them and he stayed sound till he was 2 and we started breaking him
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BARRELHORSE USA
Reg. Sep 2011
Posted 2013-11-21 1:25 AM
Subject: RE: OCD in weaklings supplement success




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I hate it when vets and experts at colleges that have never owned a horse use textbook words and descriptions to describe a problem .. EXCELLENT PICTURES but advice is weak and text booked .... https://www.acvs.org/large-animal/osteochondritis-dissecans-horses

OCD .. is simply a lack of calcifying spots in the cartilage of growing bones mainly due to lack of proper mineral absorption and lack of good old fashioned running in the pasture exercise ..

The bones that grow in young horses are usually the ends at a joint ... the bone is cartilage and must harden to turn to calcium .... young horses running, playing and constantly walking in a pasture adds density to their bone structure ..... those that are penned up, over fed and are obese are like couch potato kids compared to the kids that are active on a farm or playing outside all day long...

I also cannot believe the marketing spiels on OCD tablets and joint supplements that people spend lots of $$$$'s on. Once an OCD spot is formed .. there is no changing it other than to grind a hole in the bone like you would a bad tooth and activate the area around the hole to harden up to support the weak spot. Or if it is floating debris ... surgery...... but that does not do away with the problem the joint will always have because the treatment took away the cushion affect of some of the necessary cartilage.

The problem with fad supplements is ... they do a big marketing bash to sell a jillion bottles to fill shelves across the nation on a one big money making bash to your pocket book and then you never hear about them again ... other than them changing the product name and distributors name and doing the same thing over and over again. Think back over the past 5 years of the big pushes for different supplements that are no where to be found now... ... It is like buying a water hose with a 7 year guarantee on it and trying to return it for a new one 2 years later ... lol

VETERICYN is a recent fad product that has bitten the dust .... while old reliables like Wonder Dust, iodine and FuraZone remain as major cut medicines ...

I am a fan of ADM GroStrong Minerals due to the fact they have added the correct vitamins with the correct method to chelate the minerals that enables the horse to absorb the minerals if needed. Also to feeding oats, alfalfa and corn in the correct portions instead of major brand feeds that show nothing but human food/ethanol waste products in their ingredients .... go read your ingredients on your feed sack ...

IMO.... forced exercise in a round pen ... especially free styling ... is a major human cause if you have OCD problems in your young horses and the lack of understanding what closing the knees means at 25-30 months old. .. And trying to blend two completely different specialized conformation styles (race and cutter/reiner) together thinking you can get a faster more turny horse .... instead you get a skeletal wreck ... with big vet bills ..

If you look at race horse training ... it is straight ahead, walking, trotting, rated loping with proper cool downs on an every other day basis with walker or turnout on off days. And the exercise rider usually weighs less than 130 lbs. ...... The bones get density from the leg work and the muscles get rebuilt with a day off in between ... there is no rollbacks or other forced reining maneuvers presented to the young 2 year olds like we do to barrel and other horses ... so take your young horses pasture and trail riding and stop being a maniac in the arena and round pens ... lol ..

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AfleetEquine
Reg. Mar 2013
Posted 2013-11-21 2:09 AM
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BARRELHORSE USA - 2013-11-21 2:25 AM

I hate it when vets and experts at colleges that have never owned a horse use textbook words and descriptions to describe a problem .. EXCELLENT PICTURES but advice is weak and text booked .... https://www.acvs.org/large-animal/osteochondritis-dissecans-horses

OCD .. is simply a lack of calcifying spots in the cartilage of growing bones mainly due to lack of proper mineral absorption and lack of good old fashioned running in the pasture exercise ..

The bones that grow in young horses are usually the ends at a joint ... the bone is cartilage and must harden to turn to calcium .... young horses running, playing and constantly walking in a pasture adds density to their bone structure ..... those that are penned up, over fed and are obese are like couch potato kids compared to the kids that are active on a farm or playing outside all day long...

I also cannot believe the marketing spiels on OCD tablets and joint supplements that people spend lots of $$$$'s on. Once an OCD spot is formed .. there is no changing it other than to grind a hole in the bone like you would a bad tooth and activate the area around the hole to harden up to support the weak spot. Or if it is floating debris ... surgery...... but that does not do away with the problem the joint will always have because the treatment took away the cushion affect of some of the necessary cartilage.

The problem with fad supplements is ... they do a big marketing bash to sell a jillion bottles to fill shelves across the nation on a one big money making bash to your pocket book and then you never hear about them again ... other than them changing the product name and distributors name and doing the same thing over and over again. Think back over the past 5 years of the big pushes for different supplements that are no where to be found now... ... It is like buying a water hose with a 7 year guarantee on it and trying to return it for a new one 2 years later ... lol

VETERICYN is a recent fad product that has bitten the dust .... while old reliables like Wonder Dust, iodine and FuraZone remain as major cut medicines ...

I am a fan of ADM GroStrong Minerals due to the fact they have added the correct vitamins with the correct method to chelate the minerals that enables the horse to absorb the minerals if needed. Also to feeding oats, alfalfa and corn in the correct portions instead of major brand feeds that show nothing but human food/ethanol waste products in their ingredients .... go read your ingredients on your feed sack ...

IMO.... forced exercise in a round pen ... especially free styling ... is a major human cause if you have OCD problems in your young horses and the lack of understanding what closing the knees means at 25-30 months old. .. And trying to blend two completely different specialized conformation styles (race and cutter/reiner) together thinking you can get a faster more turny horse .... instead you get a skeletal wreck ... with big vet bills ..

If you look at race horse training ... it is straight ahead, walking, trotting, rated loping with proper cool downs on an every other day basis with walker or turnout on off days. And the exercise rider usually weighs less than 130 lbs. ...... The bones get density from the leg work and the muscles get rebuilt with a day off in between ... there is no rollbacks or other forced reining maneuvers presented to the young 2 year olds like we do to barrel and other horses ... so take your young horses pasture and trail riding and stop being a maniac in the arena and round pens ... lol ..

I was just talking about everything you said early this week. LOL. I have seen the true OCD pellets work great in horses for prevention or getting worse. But you are right - once the OCD is there, it's there. Especially the older they get.
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HotPants
Reg. Jan 2006
Posted 2013-11-21 5:18 AM
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My foal was lactose intolerant. Many months of the guessing game of diarrhea JMO I believe somehow it contributed to her joint issues but the vets disagree fetlock joint is affected. Just looking for a miracle folks..........very little options given for her case. Not a surgical candidate etc......
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redcbrf3
Reg. Dec 2010
Posted 2013-11-21 8:12 AM
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I feel your pain. My 11 month old filly was diagnosed with an OCD/bone cyst type area in her shoulder. On the xrays it is a void of bone in the shoulder joint. She also is not a candidate for surgery. Unfortunately, we will probably have to end up putting her down, because it seems as she grows her limp gets worse. She is by Firewater Finale out of my favorite Strawflyin Buds mare. So heartbreaking because before she became lame she could do moves I've never seen a horse make. I also tried the OCD pellets but haven't had much success. I hope for the best with your horse, good luck!
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sassy&tessa
Reg. Jul 2008
Posted 2013-11-21 8:37 AM
Subject: RE: OCD in weanlings supplement success



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Wow-I guess I will go tell the three vets that I just talked to about OCD that they are way off the mark.  Considering who one of them is, I am sure he will love hearing that.

Salty was just diagnosed with a very mild form of OCD on her stifle.  I was told there are MANY horses on the rodeo trail right now that have OCD and they are fine.  I was also told that OCD pellets have helped tremendously in a lot of horses and keep them working.  Salty is going to need maintenance stifle injections and was not a candidate for surgery.  I was recommended to not only do stifle injections but to put her on OCD pellets, which she started last night.  But both vets that have seen her and seen the x-rays believe 100% that she will have a solid competitive life.  She is 10.

I have also been told OCD forms when they are young-by at LEAST 10 people, if not more if I was to think hard about it.  And while they have theories no one can say for sure why or how a horse gets them.   

Not to be rude, but my vets that I have talked to are pretty dang good at their jobs and they all have come back to me with the same answers. 

To the OP, from what I understand, if you have a good game plan with a good vet, the outcome for your weanling can be really good.  Good luck!!
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