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Location: So. Cali | I think everyone gets that little jealous bone every once in a while but it is very true that when you train your own the excitement and joy you feel over a win or an acomplishment is greater than when you hop on a finished horse. I never had the money to buy a finished horse but I had $2,500 to spend on a Dash For Cash 2 year old! he was my second horse that I had trained and he became a 1D horse.
I also think that it is silly that people think they can't be trainers. I had NO horse back ground and my Dad had very little. but we would go out every day after schol and train my horse when I was 11. He bought me a 3 year old arab for $175 she was on her way to the slaughter house and that little arab won me a TON of 1st place awards in 4H doing gymkhana and show and halter classes. I taught her EVERYTHING. I didn't always know what I was doing but we learned together. I had been riding since I was 5 so I wasn't learning to ride but I was learning to train. Anyone can be a trainer they just have to want to learn. Training is a humbling experience. I still ask for advice all the time and I am definitely not the best trainer but I feel that I am good enough to get the job done and I learn more and more everytime. I made mistakes with my arab but I learned from them and when I got the barrel racing bug I knew I just needed to find a nicely bred 2 year old to get me started.
The satisfaction of training a winner is amazing but I am just as happy with my mare that I trained that is only 3D. She has taught me more than any other horse I have owned and when she runs a nice smooth run I get excited beause I am the reason she can put together a nice run. |
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Location: MD | Everyone who knows me knows that were I to either A) Hit the lottery, or B) get my inheritance while I am still able to ride competitively, I would go out and buy a string of solid, jam up horses and live on the road. Yes, I enjoy bringing young horses along and I'm sure that I would continue to do so, but I dang sure wouldn't mind pulling in with a string of horses that were ready to rock and roll the first time I swung a leg over them either. People are going to talk trash either way. The way I see it, a lot of these established, winning horses that are being purchased are worth well more than what is being paid for them. When a horse is so talented that they can allow a legitimate 4D rider to run at the top of the 2D at the big shows, you're dadgum right they're worth their weight in gold! |
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| On the Money Girl - 2013-11-21 1:28 PM I think everyone gets that little jealous bone every once in a while but it is very true that when you train your own the excitement and joy you feel over a win or an acomplishment is greater than when you hop on a finished horse. I never had the money to buy a finished horse but I had $2,500 to spend on a Dash For Cash 2 year old! he was my second horse that I had trained and he became a 1D horse.
I also think that it is silly that people think they can't be trainers. I had NO horse back ground and my Dad had very little. but we would go out every day after schol and train my horse when I was 11. He bought me a 3 year old arab for $175 she was on her way to the slaughter house and that little arab won me a TON of 1st place awards in 4H doing gymkhana and show and halter classes. I taught her EVERYTHING. I didn't always know what I was doing but we learned together. I had been riding since I was 5 so I wasn't learning to ride but I was learning to train. Anyone can be a trainer they just have to want to learn. Training is a humbling experience. I still ask for advice all the time and I am definitely not the best trainer but I feel that I am good enough to get the job done and I learn more and more everytime. I made mistakes with my arab but I learned from them and when I got the barrel racing bug I knew I just needed to find a nicely bred 2 year old to get me started.
The satisfaction of training a winner is amazing but I am just as happy with my mare that I trained that is only 3D. She has taught me more than any other horse I have owned and when she runs a nice smooth run I get excited beause I am the reason she can put together a nice run.
I agree you can learn and train a horse and my girls could do it today but back when they were competing in high school they did not have the 2-3 years to make a horse, they needed one ready to go. I hope one day they will train their own and get to experience that. |
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Location: RAINY FREEZING AnartiFlorida | dhdqhllc - 2013-11-21 2:16 PM rodeomom3 - 2013-11-21 1:04 PM Some people (my family) do not have the ability to train a horse and I admire those who do. My kids are not from a rodeo family and started riding in middle school. As they got better we bought better horses and could afford to mount them 1D when they were ready but it certainly did not guarantee a win. This was posted on fb the other day: Lance Graves posted some of the most well written and said words.... tip of the hat! Here they are.... Cheyenne and I are having a blast riding together and our talks get pretty deep. We have been discussing "winning." Winning is something that everyone wants to do but very few can actually accomplish. I'm not talking about placing or even being 2nd. We are talking about winning. Recently the industry has seen relative newcomers WIN on high powered, extremely expensive, well established champions. I have heard many jealous rants by others over this. Many by parents that cannot afford these type animals for their own children. I hear and somewhat understand. However, understand this....no matter what you are riding, you still have to perform as a jockey under pressure when they call your name. It's NOT easy. I can point out riders that have ridden for years with the best teachers/mentors in the world that have ridden hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of horses that can NOT WIN when the pressure is on. It can be extremely challenging to be the favorite, have the best horse and be expected to WIN with thousands of eyes watching. One of barrel racings icons, Brett Monroe, told me one time..."a winner always finds a way to win while the others find excuses." I came from very humble beginnings and with the help of my father clawed my way upward. I know what it's like to win on a loser and lose on a winner. It's part of it. But do not discount anyone's "win" just because they are riding an expensive former champion because I promise someone else is losing on a former champion at the same time. Respect anyone that can perform under pressure and "close the deal!" Stay positive and focus on becoming a better horse person. Don't hate,appreciate!!!Remember....a winner FINDS a way to win. — like
Lance said it. Just because you can buy a 1D horse doesn't mean you can ride it even with a great trainer. You have to think quick and be able to stay ahead of them and ride. But thats the great thing about the D system. Those fast horses normally put me in. As long as my horses work doesn't matter where they fall. I have a lot of respect for those kids that do have resources to buy those high dollar horses and ride them. Jumping from horse to horse is hard enough because they all run different but them performing and winning under pressure of big show, that's talent. It's hard for me to run several. Remember and Ive seen it. For every one of those kids that can ride those fast high dollar horses there's 100 other that can afford same thing that you never here about because they cant ride them. |
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| WrapSnap - 2013-11-21 1:38 PM Everyone who knows me knows that were I to either A) Hit the lottery, or B) get my inheritance while I am still able to ride competitively, I would go out and buy a string of solid, jam up horses and live on the road. Yes, I enjoy bringing young horses along and I'm sure that I would continue to do so, but I dang sure wouldn't mind pulling in with a string of horses that were ready to rock and roll the first time I swung a leg over them either. People are going to talk trash either way. The way I see it, a lot of these established, winning horses that are being purchased are worth well more than what is being paid for them. When a horse is so talented that they can allow a legitimate 4D rider to run at the top of the 2D at the big shows, you're dadgum right they're worth their weight in gold!
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Location: MD | lonely va barrelxr - 2013-11-21 2:37 PM
WrapSnap - 2013-11-21 1:38 PM Everyone who knows me knows that were I to either A) Hit the lottery, or B) get my inheritance while I am still able to ride competitively, I would go out and buy a string of solid, jam up horses and live on the road. Yes, I enjoy bringing young horses along and I'm sure that I would continue to do so, but I dang sure wouldn't mind pulling in with a string of horses that were ready to rock and roll the first time I swung a leg over them either. People are going to talk trash either way. The way I see it, a lot of these established, winning horses that are being purchased are worth well more than what is being paid for them. When a horse is so talented that they can allow a legitimate 4D rider to run at the top of the 2D at the big shows, you're dadgum right they're worth their weight in gold!
Are you talkin bout me??? LOL!!
Heck no lady! You and that mare of yours scare me! My times aren't as safe as they used to be anymore! |
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| WrapSnap - 2013-11-21 2:41 PM lonely va barrelxr - 2013-11-21 2:37 PM WrapSnap - 2013-11-21 1:38 PM Everyone who knows me knows that were I to either A) Hit the lottery, or B) get my inheritance while I am still able to ride competitively, I would go out and buy a string of solid, jam up horses and live on the road. Yes, I enjoy bringing young horses along and I'm sure that I would continue to do so, but I dang sure wouldn't mind pulling in with a string of horses that were ready to rock and roll the first time I swung a leg over them either. People are going to talk trash either way. The way I see it, a lot of these established, winning horses that are being purchased are worth well more than what is being paid for them. When a horse is so talented that they can allow a legitimate 4D rider to run at the top of the 2D at the big shows, you're dadgum right they're worth their weight in gold! Are you talkin bout me??? LOL!! Heck no lady! You and that mare of yours scare me! My times aren't as safe as they used to be anymore!
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| rodeomom3 - 2013-11-21 2:41 PM WrapSnap - 2013-11-21 2:41 PM lonely va barrelxr - 2013-11-21 2:37 PM WrapSnap - 2013-11-21 1:38 PM Everyone who knows me knows that were I to either A) Hit the lottery, or B) get my inheritance while I am still able to ride competitively, I would go out and buy a string of solid, jam up horses and live on the road. Yes, I enjoy bringing young horses along and I'm sure that I would continue to do so, but I dang sure wouldn't mind pulling in with a string of horses that were ready to rock and roll the first time I swung a leg over them either. People are going to talk trash either way. The way I see it, a lot of these established, winning horses that are being purchased are worth well more than what is being paid for them. When a horse is so talented that they can allow a legitimate 4D rider to run at the top of the 2D at the big shows, you're dadgum right they're worth their weight in gold!
Are you talkin bout me??? LOL!! Heck no lady! You and that mare of yours scare me! My times aren't as safe as they used to be anymore!
Well, that's what I was doing with Xena until this past season (the very few times I got to show). I decided this year to ride a bit more aggressively on her. I haven't decided if it's working yet - but it's been interesting! But Andy knows I feel like I ride a division or two behind my horses abilities. |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | I think it is most annoying when the smack talk and jealousy are directed at your children. If they are winning you can bet that your are going to overhear the remarks from kids and other parents alike. People will make assumptions and believe what they want to believe even if you kid is cheaply mounted and has worked their butts to get to the pay windows. All you can really do is help you kids blow it off and use it as a teaching moment of how not to behave. |
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Location: MD | SC Wrangler - 2013-11-21 3:10 PM
I think it is most annoying when the smack talk and jealousy are directed at your children. If they are winning you can bet that your are going to overhear the remarks from kids and other parents alike. People will make assumptions and believe what they want to believe even if you kid is cheaply mounted and has worked their butts to get to the pay windows. All you can really do is help you kids blow it off and use it as a teaching moment of how not to behave.
Amen! My niece used to ride one of my best horses when she was little. The kid had a ton of ability and the horses that she stepped onto were the ones that I trusted with her safety. It just so happened that they were also quite competitive. She grew up to understand Sportsmanship better than most. She was a gracious winner and loser and was always there cheering her friends on. |
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Location: Prosser, WA | There are always going to be those people. It doesn't matter how much they can spend on their own, they are jealous of the ones that can afford or have access to even better horses. It was really funny to me when I over heard a girl talking that was jealous of another girl from a big name in barrel racing because she had her pick of her families horses to ride at the college rodeos. What made it funny to me is that she herself was riding a $35,000 horse and I've heard plenty of people putting down people that ride $35,000 horses. LOL. So jealousy is not directly related to how much money you have to spend on a horse.  |
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| I hate when I hear people say that so and so bought an expensive horse just so they can win.
As previously mentioned I AGREE IT TAKES TALENT to be able to perform under pressure.
This is a highly competitive sport, and it is one you never really master. Yes, there are people that are consistently at the top, but you can't and won't win every race.
If I had money to spend I would go out and buy jam up horses. Heck, I bought a cheapie horse, sold it-and then spent a lot of that money I made on my next horse minus a few thousand.
I am sure people talked crap and still do.
There is more to this sport than buying horses.
To the comment that said you hate when you see people ruining good horses...
IMO you cannot ruin a good horse. We all have bad runs, I would hate for someone to judge my riding ability on one bad run. We are all on our own journeys. Who are we to really judge and think someone doesn't deserve the horse they are on?
But then again-at the end of the day who the heck cares what other people think? I hate that it can matter so much to others sometimes. (Myself included) |
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| Something else I want to point out too...
Just because someone buys expensive horses does not mean they work less than someone who buys less expensive horses. |
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Location: Texas | dhdqhllc - 2013-11-21 11:39 AM if i had unlimited funds, i would buy my kids or spouse the best horse they could handle and be comfortable on......whether that was $500 or $150k
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | You don't just hear it in our little segment of the industry. When my daughter was 5 years old we bought a baby sitter horse. He was 12 years old and had a pretty impressive show record in both the AQHA and Palamino Assn, but that was all prior to him being foundered. We were able to manage his laminitis pretty well and my daughter began showing him within a year. This horse was a machine in the arena in ring classes, pattern classes, showmanship, horsemanship, trail classes and my daughter did very well on him. People immediately began with the comments. Well DUH no kidding the biggest factor in the equation was the horse. But who the heck is jealous of a 5 or 6 year old kid? The fact was she was riding that horse for hours very day and she was sitting in the middle of a 15.2h 1300# horse and following instructions and remembering patterns that lots of older kids screwed up. |
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Location: Mayerthorpe Alberta | Well. I am going to admit it! I am jealous of those that have the mental game figured out!!!! there i said it!!! I dont care whether they are riding a donkey or a NFR horse. If they got their mental game going on, they can achieve a lot!!! I am constantly working on my mental game and need to stop fighting my head |
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| magic gunsmoke - 2013-11-21 3:43 PM I hate when I hear people say that so and so bought an expensive horse just so they can win.
As previously mentioned I AGREE IT TAKES TALENT to be able to perform under pressure.
This is a highly competitive sport, and it is one you never really master. Yes, there are people that are consistently at the top, but you can't and won't win every race.
If I had money to spend I would go out and buy jam up horses. Heck, I bought a cheapie horse, sold it-and then spent a lot of that money I made on my next horse minus a few thousand.
I am sure people talked crap and still do.
There is more to this sport than buying horses.
To the comment that said you hate when you see people ruining good horses...
IMO you cannot ruin a good horse. We all have bad runs, I would hate for someone to judge my riding ability on one bad run. We are all on our own journeys. Who are we to really judge and think someone doesn't deserve the horse they are on?
But then again-at the end of the day who the heck cares what other people think? I hate that it can matter so much to others sometimes. (Myself included)
.Me too!! I mean aren't we all there to WIN. I don't go to a rodeo and say "boy i hope I come in last tonight". Everytime you go to a race I would expect you to have the desire to want to win, no matter the division. |
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| lurker - 2013-11-21 4:21 PM Well. I am going to admit it! I am jealous of those that have the mental game figured out!!!! there i said it!!! I dont care whether they are riding a donkey or a NFR horse. If they got their mental game going on, they can achieve a lot!!! I am constantly working on my mental game and need to stop fighting my head
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Location: South MS | This is my take - I have an 8 y/o daughter - she started out riding our 36 y/o retired team roping horse - then she moved to a pony (that we got free) - then she moved to my rodeo horse who will haul butt or lope through the prettiest pattern you have ever seen AND SHE IS SAFE, Now she is riding a retired 26 y/o 1D mare (who mind you can still hit the 1D if pushed)
When you start out at a young age riding a GREAT horse (not necessarily expensive) it makes you a BETTER rider in the long run - meaning she doesnt learn as many bad habits and learns to let the horse work as she is not constantly fighting with a horse that might not be as finished/solid
I have friends that have paid $50k+ for horses who cant win to save their life and then I have friends who have a $500 horse that they have made into some nice 1D horses. Its not spending the big money that gets you there - its work ethic and heart and commitment
I have alot of friends looking for horses for their kids that I try to help - buy the best "broke" horse that you can afford and have fun
You could pay $1500-2000 for an older retired rodeo horse (who might have been $40-50k back in their prime) for your kids and go kick some butt for years to come if you take care of them and maintain them.
I would rather brag about how much my horse won at the last show than how much I paid for the horse |
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Location: East Texas | Why be bothered by what someone spent on a horse? That makes no sense to me. |
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