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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | I'm not I. The business of selling horses BUT I always take a picture of the final results showing the entire 1 and 2 D and where my horse placed out of how many. He is a true 1D/2D horse and I have toyed around with the idea of selling him so I track everything.
If someone is going to advertise a horse for sale like that, I would expect the results to be made readily available. If I can't find them then I pass. |
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| About every show around here is IBRA, a quick search and I can find a horses results. Most people don't get that. Sometimes I'll ask what times were ran at a certain arena to get a guess of where the horse runs.
Really though this is why I only buy prospects, I don't want to get cheated. Unless I know the horse. |
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Location: South Dakota | Yep, don't trust anyone! It really sucks to be a buyer or HONEST seller in todays market. I always watch the video before even looking for results and can usually tell if it's really a 1D horse, however I'd say more times than not, if they're advertised as 1D/2D, they're really 4D.
Makes it hard for an honest seller to get anything sold also, so not just frustrating for those of us trying to buy. |
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| I have two barrel horses for sale right now. I have tried to put as much accurate information as possible in my ads.
Here is the problem with my horses and a Google search right now - I have a trainer taking them to jackpots for me (and she has done so for the last 4 months because I am very busy), and she has been very inconsistent with the use of their names when she has entered them. At some of the jackpots she enters them with their registered names, at some of them she has entered them with their barn names, and there have even been a few times that she has entered them under their registered name but it has been incorrect. Argh!
So if someone does a Google search, unless they know all of the "names" they have been entered under they will never see their accurate records. Of course I can tell a person that if they call to inquire about one of my horses, but otherwise they won't know. And I feel totally stupid putting something like that in their ads. |
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| Ive also thought .. what about those people who have 1 and 2d horse but are not 1 and 2 d riders? If they have results from the previous owner would that suffice? Id think a lot depends on the rider too. But if I'm spending 1d money I want to see 1d results... I agree on that part. I also think it would help to know how much the horse was bought for.. but so.e would say thats no o es business...
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Location: Missouri | My humor has always been, I have a 1D horse and Im a 3D rider ( almost 60 and 25# overweight), and we land in the 2D alot at big shows and 1D at local NBHA. I would advertise him as a 1D/2D horse, ridden by a 3D rider LOL!   |
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Location: North MS | Dates affect a lot- When the horse was younger and in training they might have entered more races and placed 3D and 4D. As the horse got better they might have entered limited bigger races and became 1 or 2D. Then maybe life got in the way after the horse improved (vehicle problems/vet problems/job /life events etc.). There is no telling what may have come up. Maybe just ask for 1/2D results or show event info.
My horse ran 1D poles last night (with a 24....something). Not our best run, out of practice and shape. But the top time was a 23 something. It all depends....
Plus the name thing mentioned earlier. If I'm late I get a buddy to sign me up and they know barn names and not registered names.
BUT- a good googler can find anything. I found all online results for my grade mare that I purchased based on former owners name and her name. Seperate searches with critical punctuation. For example if you want to search for all results for Frenchmans guy, you wouldn't just google frenchmans guy. Have to get more technical and type "Frenchmans Guy" Race or "Frenchmans Guy" Barrel or "Owners Name" barn name. All sorts of variation with the quotation marks to limit results to specific names or phrases. It can be done with determination.
I found the breeder for my "grade" filly with only a last name and the location of North Mississippi to look for. I was the third owner. I offered to DNA the breeders herd of mares to find the mother and the lady still wouldn't help me get her papers. Irresponsible breeder who free roams horses on public land (reservoir) and gave away 5 foals. Great older bloodlines and she finally gelded the stud by the time I found her. Internet can be a great tool for owner, bloodline, result research that is for sure. |
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Location: Mississippi | I had an ad with a video that had the crowd making a lot of noise when the time was called and the announcer saying "new leader" at the end. The horse won the 1D there and a buyer could look that up. The horse was young and had already won an open rodeo by two tenths as well as place at some other rodeos and been 1D at other barrel races. I received a ton of flack from people who Googled the horse's name and found 2D/3D results. They were simply not smart enough to look at the dates and consider that those results were from the early part of her four year old year!! Newsflash...they are not born in the 1D. Many people are like me in that they start them slowly and gradually add speed. Finding lower division results on a horse does not bother me that much. I have learned that many people do not run their horses under their real name until they are really clocking because of people looking them up. That does not mean the horse has always had a 1D time; it could be that they ran under another name (barn name, Horse 1, Horse 2) until they started clocking. Sometimes they approach the entry person and ask them to change Horse 2 to the registered name (after they have clocked a good time).
In short, I do not let Google choose my horses for me. I do look them up but for the most part, I can watch a few videos and see what I need to know and sometimes I call people in the horse's area and ask about them. Btw...the horse that I advertised did sell locally to someone who knew her and she went on to win lots of rodeo and 1D money...placed 4th out of 500 plus entries, etc. Google is great but it probably should your sole source of information when choosing a horse.
edited post due to clumsy typing skills :)
Edited by TurnThreeFast 2013-11-24 6:14 AM
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | TurnThreeFast - 2013-11-24 7:11 AM I had an ad with a video that had the crowd making a lot of noise when the time was called and the announcer saying "new leader" at the end. The horse won the 1D there and a buyer could look that up. The horse was young and had already won an open rodeo by two tenths as well as place at some other rodeos and been 1D at other barrel races. I received a ton of flack from people who Googled the horse's name and found 2D/3D results. They were simply not smart enough to look at the dates and consider that those results were from the early part of her four year old year!! Newsflash...they are not born in the 1D. Many people are like me in that they start them slowly and gradually add speed. Finding lower division results on a horse does not bother me that much. I have learned that many people do not run their horses under their real name until they are really clocking because of people looking them up. That does not mean the horse has always had a 1D time; it could be that they ran under another name (barn name, Horse 1, Horse 2) until they started clocking. Sometimes they approach the entry person and ask them to change Horse 2 to the registered name (after they have clocked a good time). In short, I do not let Google choose my horses for me. I do look them up but for the most part, I can watch a few videos and see what I need to know and sometimes I call people in the horse's area and ask about them. Btw...the horse that I advertised did sell locally to someone who knew her and she went on to win lots of rodeo and 1D money...placed 4th out of 500 plus entries, etc. Google is great but it probably should your sole source of information when choosing a horse. edited post due to clumsy typing skills :)
That's why I like taking photos of the results at our races. I have about two dozen or more photos of wins/placings but if you google my horse you only find his NBHA super show placings and thats it. |
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Location: Oklahoma | blyellowrose - 2013-11-23 10:22 AM
Well I had a very nice 1d/2d horse for sale I just sold a couple months ago and when I googled my name or my horses, I couldn't find any results except for a couple of bad days when we were in the 3d. So you can't always trust google search. But I did refer people to the associations I ran in and they had all the results on their website. And I always ran my horse under her registered name.
Totally agree with this. Apparently a lot of the more local races just don't put the horse's names with the results either, even the added money ones I go to. Here in Oklahoma a lot of the same people run at the "local" races that run at the "big shows", so it's not far off really. Pretty tough here to even be in the 1d at smaller jackpots most of the time. I googled mine and could find results from a couple big shows when I first entered her in 05! She's definitely not that same green horse now. But I do really wish I'd kept better records than I have. We've got references though and a lot of people who know the horse, so agreeing with you that you shouldn't rely on just a google search. |
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Location: Texas | SwishMiss - 2013-11-23 10:12 PM
Ive also thought .. what about those people who have 1 and 2d horse but are not 1 and 2 d riders? If they have results from the previous owner would that suffice? Id think a lot depends on the rider too. But if I'm spending 1d money I want to see 1d results... I agree on that part. I also think it would help to know how much the horse was bought for.. but so.e would say thats no o es business...
No, it would not suffice for me. If I am going to pay 1D/2D price- it better be running 1D/2D right now. There are a lot of horses who were 1D horses with previous riders, and the current rider now has them in the 3D, or 4Dā¦ and sometimes they don't go back to the 1D. I would not pay the same price. It would intrigue me that maybe with work and tuning they could get back there, but that's the key- it's going to take work and tuning. it's not always just switch riders and poof its a miracle! Sometimes yes, sometimes no.
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| missroselee - 2013-11-23 5:29 PM I'm not I. The business of selling horses BUT I always take a picture of the final results showing the entire 1 and 2 D and where my horse placed out of how many. He is a true 1D/2D horse and I have toyed around with the idea of selling him so I track everything.
If someone is going to advertise a horse for sale like that, I would expect the results to be made readily available. If I can't find them then I pass.
I totally accidently disliked your post!
Did not mean to do that-must have happened when I was scrolling down the screen and just noticed it when I came back to this thread.
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