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Location: SE Louisiana | MO gal - 2013-12-16 1:09 PM
Komet - 2013-12-16 11:52 AM
I think YH is confusing 'safe' with 'smooth'.... or in Her case.."Shmooth".. 
I agree, Komet. I think the confusion is that Sherry is such a smooth, quiet rider that it is looking like she is not pushing her horse as hard as the others. She stays in the saddle. Also, Stingray seems to have an amazing handle on her that Sherry can place her with just a little pull of the reins or shift of her weight. I think what we really saw was an amazing feat of horsemanship in successfully navigating a barrel hunting son of a gun through that pattern 10 straight nights, while still drawing a check every night!
I'm an accountant so I set up a spreadsheet with all the winnings, times, etc. Unfortunately, I don't have it with me right at the moment. However, Sherry could have been beat throughout most of the NFR. She did not have a lock on this when the NFR started, and quite a ways into it. And, you know, if she is good enough to be conservative and "safety up", while still winning the average and placing all 10 rounds, then she still deserves it.
Well... Bo won 4 rounds flat-out and if you take away the down barrels he had the best times in 3 others.. So yes.. She could have been beat. | |
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| I'm sorry OP were you in her head making the decisions for her as she went mach 10 around the arena? How can you say she played it safe if you weren't in her saddle making her decisions. As the week goes on the horses get hotter and higher as evidenced by the downed barrels and the little display of frustration we saw by Miss Rookie of the Year in the back alley. Sherry rode her horse better than anyone else. Period. If she played it a little safe to keep the barrels up, I call that smart and don't blame her a bit. | |
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Location: Beggs, OK | yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 6:16 AM Komet - 2013-12-15 6:10 AM yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 6:01 AM Komet - 2013-12-15 5:57 AM Hey... Once you have it won, why screw with it? Take a knee and let the clock run out... Ya, I do understand that mindset. I guess I just like the all or go down in flames approach. And all those guys I listed have sure put on some of the most exciting performances in NFR history! Barrel racing is an expensive sport... Horses cost a ton to get and keep healthy.... It's too much hard work to risk losing everything just to give someone else a sporting chance after you have it won. It's not that I really see it as giving the other competitors a chance. It's more of a deal of "not going for 1st everytime" type of thing, it just seems "wrong" to me. I guess is the nice word to use. Again, no disrespect to Sherry, would of soon saw her win it as anybody. Although I was really impressed by Taylor and her horse, Bo.
She was running for the Ultimate First...World Champion.
She also set a new average record on 10 rounds as I recall and placed in every round. | |
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| Komet - 2013-12-16 1:12 PM
MO gal - 2013-12-16 1:09 PM
Komet - 2013-12-16 11:52 AM
I think YH is confusing 'safe' with 'smooth'.... or in Her case.."Shmooth"..
I agree, Komet. I think the confusion is that Sherry is such a smooth, quiet rider that it is looking like she is not pushing her horse as hard as the others. She stays in the saddle. Also, Stingray seems to have an amazing handle on her that Sherry can place her with just a little pull of the reins or shift of her weight. I think what we really saw was an amazing feat of horsemanship in successfully navigating a barrel hunting son of a gun through that pattern 10 straight nights, while still drawing a check every night!
I'm an accountant so I set up a spreadsheet with all the winnings, times, etc. Unfortunately, I don't have it with me right at the moment. However, Sherry could have been beat throughout most of the NFR. She did not have a lock on this when the NFR started, and quite a ways into it. And, you know, if she is good enough to be conservative and "safety up", while still winning the average and placing all 10 rounds, then she still deserves it.
Well... Bo won 4 rounds flat-out and if you take away the down barrels he had the best times in 3 others.. So yes.. She could have been beat.
Yes, and as I stated earlier her fastest time of the week was barely in the top ten fastest times of the week. | |
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Location: SE Louisiana | yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-16 5:56 PM
Komet - 2013-12-16 1:12 PM
MO gal - 2013-12-16 1:09 PM
Komet - 2013-12-16 11:52 AM
I think YH is confusing 'safe' with 'smooth'.... or in Her case.."Shmooth"..
I agree, Komet. I think the confusion is that Sherry is such a smooth, quiet rider that it is looking like she is not pushing her horse as hard as the others. She stays in the saddle. Also, Stingray seems to have an amazing handle on her that Sherry can place her with just a little pull of the reins or shift of her weight. I think what we really saw was an amazing feat of horsemanship in successfully navigating a barrel hunting son of a gun through that pattern 10 straight nights, while still drawing a check every night!
I'm an accountant so I set up a spreadsheet with all the winnings, times, etc. Unfortunately, I don't have it with me right at the moment. However, Sherry could have been beat throughout most of the NFR. She did not have a lock on this when the NFR started, and quite a ways into it. And, you know, if she is good enough to be conservative and "safety up", while still winning the average and placing all 10 rounds, then she still deserves it.
Well... Bo won 4 rounds flat-out and if you take away the down barrels he had the best times in 3 others.. So yes.. She could have been beat.
Yes, and as I stated earlier her fastest time of the week was barely in the top ten fastest times of the week.
And yet.... she still won...  Like I said... Smooth!!
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Location: North Dakota | Komet - 2013-12-16 5:59 PM yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-16 5:56 PM Komet - 2013-12-16 1:12 PM MO gal - 2013-12-16 1:09 PM Komet - 2013-12-16 11:52 AM I think YH is confusing 'safe' with 'smooth'.... or in Her case.."Shmooth".. I agree, Komet. I think the confusion is that Sherry is such a smooth, quiet rider that it is looking like she is not pushing her horse as hard as the others. She stays in the saddle. Also, Stingray seems to have an amazing handle on her that Sherry can place her with just a little pull of the reins or shift of her weight. I think what we really saw was an amazing feat of horsemanship in successfully navigating a barrel hunting son of a gun through that pattern 10 straight nights, while still drawing a check every night! I'm an accountant so I set up a spreadsheet with all the winnings, times, etc. Unfortunately, I don't have it with me right at the moment. However, Sherry could have been beat throughout most of the NFR. She did not have a lock on this when the NFR started, and quite a ways into it. And, you know, if she is good enough to be conservative and "safety up", while still winning the average and placing all 10 rounds, then she still deserves it. Well... Bo won 4 rounds flat-out and if you take away the down barrels he had the best times in 3 others.. So yes.. She could have been beat. Yes, and as I stated earlier her fastest time of the week was barely in the top ten fastest times of the week. And yet.... she still won... Like I said... Smooth!!
And still placed in every round and won the most money of the NFR. Strange!   | |
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Location: North Dakota | yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 5:52 AM First of all let me preface my comment by saying congratulations to Sherry and Stingray. She seems like a humble person and good ambassador for the sport of barrel racing. She does a great job. Now for what bothers me, lol. And this may be a "man" thing or old school, not sure. But it appeared that Sherry was pretty conservative in her riding after about the fourth round, and yes she did win another first place check and placed in every round, I get all that. But I guess I've always liked the approach of the Ty Murrays, Billy Etbauer, Cody Ohl and even Trevor I believe. They go hard for first every time and let the chips fall where they may. I've even heard Ty and Billy talk about they would rather get bucked of than safety up! And it's cost all of these guys some buckles before but they also won alot and you knew they left every ounce out on the dirt. I understand what Sherry did is smart strategy and all that, and she is wearing another gold buckle tonight. But basically "playing it safe" bugs me lol Wanted to add I'm not just picking on Sherry, I remember Charymane doing this her last championship and it bugged me then also. Maybe the barrel racers are just smarter than the guys? Lol still bugs me tho. Flame at your convience......
It isn't "playing it safe" it is being a business woman and knowing what you have to do to finalize the deal which you have been working a whole year on. Working hard to keep barrels up is not playing it safe. It is being a good rider and knowing your job and the point of the sport! Who goes in the arena to hit barrels? We all go in there hoping to make a clean run. We all work hard to keep barrels up Sherry is just really good at it! lol
I just don't understand how running 10 rounds in the fastest time in NFR history, making the most money of all other competitors, and winning the average and world championships is being safe? | |
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Location: Florida/Okla/Texas | I think you hit it on the head....."barrel racers are smarter than guys"..... Sherry is one of the best horsewoman in the group.....no wasted motion, her cues are very suttle and she's smooth. She knows how to ride the conditions of an arena and she proved it placing in 10 rounds..... | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-16 5:56 PM Komet - 2013-12-16 1:12 PM MO gal - 2013-12-16 1:09 PM Komet - 2013-12-16 11:52 AM I think YH is confusing 'safe' with 'smooth'.... or in Her case.."Shmooth".. I agree, Komet. I think the confusion is that Sherry is such a smooth, quiet rider that it is looking like she is not pushing her horse as hard as the others. She stays in the saddle. Also, Stingray seems to have an amazing handle on her that Sherry can place her with just a little pull of the reins or shift of her weight. I think what we really saw was an amazing feat of horsemanship in successfully navigating a barrel hunting son of a gun through that pattern 10 straight nights, while still drawing a check every night! I'm an accountant so I set up a spreadsheet with all the winnings, times, etc. Unfortunately, I don't have it with me right at the moment. However, Sherry could have been beat throughout most of the NFR. She did not have a lock on this when the NFR started, and quite a ways into it. And, you know, if she is good enough to be conservative and "safety up", while still winning the average and placing all 10 rounds, then she still deserves it. Well... Bo won 4 rounds flat-out and if you take away the down barrels he had the best times in 3 others.. So yes.. She could have been beat. Yes, and as I stated earlier her fastest time of the week was barely in the top ten fastest times of the week.
Which proves that consistent and smooth gets you the most money in the end and a World Championship. | |
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| yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-16 4:56 PM Komet - 2013-12-16 1:12 PM MO gal - 2013-12-16 1:09 PM Komet - 2013-12-16 11:52 AM I think YH is confusing 'safe' with 'smooth'.... or in Her case.."Shmooth".. I agree, Komet. I think the confusion is that Sherry is such a smooth, quiet rider that it is looking like she is not pushing her horse as hard as the others. She stays in the saddle. Also, Stingray seems to have an amazing handle on her that Sherry can place her with just a little pull of the reins or shift of her weight. I think what we really saw was an amazing feat of horsemanship in successfully navigating a barrel hunting son of a gun through that pattern 10 straight nights, while still drawing a check every night! I'm an accountant so I set up a spreadsheet with all the winnings, times, etc. Unfortunately, I don't have it with me right at the moment. However, Sherry could have been beat throughout most of the NFR. She did not have a lock on this when the NFR started, and quite a ways into it. And, you know, if she is good enough to be conservative and "safety up", while still winning the average and placing all 10 rounds, then she still deserves it. Well... Bo won 4 rounds flat-out and if you take away the down barrels he had the best times in 3 others.. So yes.. She could have been beat. Yes, and as I stated earlier her fastest time of the week was barely in the top ten fastest times of the week.
Because if that's what your saying, your logic is totally flawed. I would also have to question if you really understand how and average works? Because she won more money than ALL contestants at the NFR, so how is that not trying hard enough? Guess ALL the contestants at the NFR suck and didn't try hard enough if you think she didn't.
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fatchance - 2013-12-15 10:17 AM
I am beginning to understand how few here on BHW understand the thinking game that is involved in barrel racing.
You do realize barrel racing isnt the only timed event? I wonder what would have happened if Cody Ohl had said I'm gonna go out and try to a average 8 seconds a calf? Would he be world champ now? Maybe he might not have broke the barrier on that jacked up calf. Would we have seen any 6,6 and 6.7 times from him this week? No I doubt it. But Cody has more than his fair share of gold and when he laid his head down last night I guarantee he knew he gave it 110 and went for first place every round!
I just like to see that from the world champions. Just my opinion
So you never heard Joe Beaver saying how the guys (team roping, calf roping, or steer wrestling) needs to go out there and make a smart run???? Usually when they did bomb at them and it didn't work he was saying that they should have paid more attention to what was winning. Why do some people not watch the rest of the NFR and or listen to the rest of the NFR, yet feel the need to say comments like these. | |
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Location: Exactly where I am supposed to be | SKM - 2013-12-16 6:24 PM
yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-16 4:56 PM Komet - 2013-12-16 1:12 PM MO gal - 2013-12-16 1:09 PM Komet - 2013-12-16 11:52 AM I think YH is confusing 'safe' with 'smooth'.... or in Her case.."Shmooth".. I agree, Komet. I think the confusion is that Sherry is such a smooth, quiet rider that it is looking like she is not pushing her horse as hard as the others. She stays in the saddle. Also, Stingray seems to have an amazing handle on her that Sherry can place her with just a little pull of the reins or shift of her weight. I think what we really saw was an amazing feat of horsemanship in successfully navigating a barrel hunting son of a gun through that pattern 10 straight nights, while still drawing a check every night! I'm an accountant so I set up a spreadsheet with all the winnings, times, etc. Unfortunately, I don't have it with me right at the moment. However, Sherry could have been beat throughout most of the NFR. She did not have a lock on this when the NFR started, and quite a ways into it. And, you know, if she is good enough to be conservative and "safety up", while still winning the average and placing all 10 rounds, then she still deserves it. Well... Bo won 4 rounds flat-out and if you take away the down barrels he had the best times in 3 others.. So yes.. She could have been beat. Yes, and as I stated earlier her fastest time of the week was barely in the top ten fastest times of the week.
Because if that's what your saying, your logic is totally flawed. I would also have to question if you really understand how and average works? Because she won more money than ALL contestants at the NFR, so how is that not trying hard enough? Guess ALL the contestants at the NFR suck and didn't try hard enough if you think she didn't.
 People could break every record ever broke, and folks would still find something to complain about ....TJ praised to the heaves, two second clip shows up suddenly she is a huuuuuuuuge monster, Sherri cervi wins everything AND I DO MEAN EVERYTHING and somebody finds something wrong with it how you ask ? because some people are never satisfied, do you seriously think she didn't try her complete hardest every night ? and that she didn't give it her all ? would you rather have seen her whipping the crap out of her horse spuring leaning hitting all the barrels would that have made you say she tried ? why cant it be that she is just an amazing rider that is ridiculously fast and smooth that gave it her all and won the world and then LEAVE IT | |
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| Also to the OP please go set up the NFR pattern and run it. Let us all know what you clock. Then let us know if you "safety up" and run a 14 | |
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| Keeping the barrels up is part of barrel racing. Doesn't matter how fast you are if barrels are down. She knows what she's doing and she earned her spot there to do as she pleases. | |
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| rachellyn80 - 2013-12-16 3:40 PM
yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 6:16 AM Komet - 2013-12-15 6:10 AM yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 6:01 AM Komet - 2013-12-15 5:57 AM Hey... Once you have it won, why screw with it? Take a knee and let the clock run out... Ya, I do understand that mindset. I guess I just like the all or go down in flames approach. And all those guys I listed have sure put on some of the most exciting performances in NFR history! Barrel racing is an expensive sport... Horses cost a ton to get and keep healthy.... It's too much hard work to risk losing everything just to give someone else a sporting chance after you have it won. It's not that I really see it as giving the other competitors a chance. It's more of a deal of "not going for 1st everytime" type of thing, it just seems "wrong" to me. I guess is the nice word to use. Again, no disrespect to Sherry, would of soon saw her win it as anybody. Although I was really impressed by Taylor and her horse, Bo.
She also set a new average record on 10 rounds as I recall and placed in every round.
Agreed. She put out FAST and awesome runs ALL week! If she did safety up at all, it was only the last round, IMO, and she was playing it smart!! I commend her. She made the right calls | |
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