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Location: Iowa, LA | For those of you who think PSSM is stupid/fad/made up, please buy my PSSM positive horse or take a ride on my mare after she's been turned out on grass, or pay me back all those thousands I spent for unsuccessful "stifle" treatments/surgeries that didn't do a **** thing for her! LOL Go ahead! Put your money where your MOUTH is!
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Location: Carpenter, WY | So maybe someone knows what to do about a deceased stallion. We have lots of semen and will breeding Slim babies for quite awhile down the road. Obviously, can't do a 5 panel. He does have a DNA case number on his papers though. Do they actually keep the sample or discard once they have the results?
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Location: Burns, WY | Check with UC Davis as I do know that they keep the hair samples on file. I know that Animal Genetics keeps it for 5 years.
Also, I've been told that they can actually DNA the semen as well.
Check with AQHA too as I know that is going to be an issue with several stallions as I was just looking at an NRHA affiliate stallion auction and they were offering frozen from Hollywood Dun It and he has been dead for several years and even though he may not be breeding 25 mares a year now, if they have a bunch of frozen, they're going to have to get something done in order to register the foals. |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | OregonBR - 2014-01-04 8:20 PM
psaaat - 2014-01-04 7:23 PM I am glad that the testing is being required. It is expensive but prevents the expense/heartache of trying to manage a disease. I have been getting all of our breeding stock tested and won't breed to a stallion unless he is tested and n/n on the 5 panel.
Correct me if I'm wrong, don't you breed mostly race bred horses? How common is it to find a racebred stallion who has already been tested at this point? I'm looking around for a stallion to breed a couple of my older mares to. I haven't seen any advertising with the 5 panel results listed.  Â
6666 Ranch has each stallions results available on the stallions individual page. (There is a link to the actual results paper they got.) BRAVO to them for doing this. Many on the "performance/cow" bred studs are POS for something. (Other than HYPP. LOL) But the info is available to anyone that looks. Ptizer ranch (Obviously ot race horses.) also shows the status of most of their studs on the studs pages. They don't show the actual paperwork. But beings that they DO show those that are POS, the ones that are N/N across the board, I would believe that they are being honest. |
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Location: Burns, WY | I would like to share part of this story on here since you gets folks like Barrelhorse USA that think that these things are made up and that people aren't really dealing with this stuff or that it is the latest fad:
Not quite 2 years ago I bought an APHA stallion. One that I thought would complement my mares on their flaws, putting time and thought in my decision. The PO did disclose that he had HYPP (NH) which I was ok with b/c I was only going to breed to NN mares. Also stating he was negative on all others. Told he was only symptomatic with food changes. Long story short, over the past month I have dealt with 7 horrific attacks, down on the ground for 2-3 hours. After talking with vets we decided that he also would be positive for one of the types of PSSM too. We went ahead and did a safe food change and started him on all the right supplements, trying to balance the 2 disorders. Every weather change we would have an attack, no matter what we did to prevent it, it still happened. I can’t explain the stress of day to day this guy brought on me, not knowing what I was gonna be dealing with. Last night I went to the barn, things seemed normal well I thought they were, he was starting to go into an attack. Now let me say b/c the attacks can be so similar you don’t know how to treat. I haltered him so I could administer his acetazolamide, within in 2 steps he hit the ground like he had been shot. Nothing new to me b/c this is normal for his attacks. But our temps here in Georgia were gonna dip into the single digits and he could not stay on the ground for 3 hours. So I made the hard decision of calling my vet to end the life of my 9 year old stallion b/c of complications of an HYPP and possible PSSM attack. If you have never walked in a day and life of one that shows these kinda attacks, you don’t know the pain and suffering they go through and it puts the owner through. Is breeding the unknown really worth taking the chances that you take producing something that might not see its 10th year of life. For me its not, has really opened my eyes to doing the right thing and that these disorders don’t need to be bred on.
I'm glad that 6666 Ranch is doing that as I had looked at their website about a month ago and hadn't seen any results posted. So glad as it makes my stallion propsect shopping so much easier.
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Location: ND | appycowgirl - 2014-01-08 3:38 PM I would like to share part of this story on here since you gets folks like Barrelhorse USA that think that these things are made up and that people aren't really dealing with this stuff or that it is the latest fad: Not quite 2 years ago I bought an APHA stallion. One that I thought would complement my mares on their flaws, putting time and thought in my decision. The PO did disclose that he had HYPP (NH) which I was ok with b/c I was only going to breed to NN mares. Also stating he was negative on all others. Told he was only symptomatic with food changes. Long story short, over the past month I have dealt with 7 horrific attacks, down on the ground for 2-3 hours. After talking with vets we decided that he also would be positive for one of the types of PSSM too. We went ahead and did a safe food change and started him on all the right supplements, trying to balance the 2 disorders. Every weather change we would have an attack, no matter what we did to prevent it, it still happened. I can’t explain the stress of day to day this guy brought on me, not knowing what I was gonna be dealing with. Last night I went to the barn, things seemed normal well I thought they were, he was starting to go into an attack. Now let me say b/c the attacks can be so similar you don’t know how to treat. I haltered him so I could administer his acetazolamide, within in 2 steps he hit the ground like he had been shot. Nothing new to me b/c this is normal for his attacks. But our temps here in Georgia were gonna dip into the single digits and he could not stay on the ground for 3 hours. So I made the hard decision of calling my vet to end the life of my 9 year old stallion b/c of complications of an HYPP and possible PSSM attack. If you have never walked in a day and life of one that shows these kinda attacks, you don’t know the pain and suffering they go through and it puts the owner through. Is breeding the unknown really worth taking the chances that you take producing something that might not see its 10th year of life. For me its not, has really opened my eyes to doing the right thing and that these disorders don’t need to be bred on. I'm glad that 6666 Ranch is doing that as I had looked at their website about a month ago and hadn't seen any results posted. So glad as it makes my stallion propsect shopping so much easier.
it ****es me off that aqha allows these **** genetic defects to be passed on and that people are ok breeding that stufff......we could get rid of hypp in one generation but nope........which is why all this genetic testing is bull****... |
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Location: Burns, WY | thanks for posting that the 6666 Ranch has the results listed. I noticed that they even had them on deceased stallions too. Gives those of us who are looking for tested running bred horses, more to look through when looking for a stallion propsect. Big time Kudos to them for doing this and making sure that their test results are available. |
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Location: Burns, WY | I agree, we could end this stuff in one generation but as long as people have the money to sue the pants off of folks, we're going to fight this stuff big time. Heck, look what is going on with cloning in the AQHA. AQHA said no as well as the majority of its members and yet we have the courts forcing us to accept it.
Its always a shame when people get people into believeing that things like HYPP and PSSM positive horses are no big deal and so many people fall into this trap because they haven't witnessed the worst of these genetic diseases. Then once they have to see the problem face to face, they have a change of heart like this lady did, but in the process another horse ends up suffering and having to be possibly put down or dying.
At least with the 5 panel being mandatory in the AQHA those of us who don't want to breed genetic diseases forward or certain ones will now be able to ask for paperwork and then we can walk away if we choose to do so. That is why I don't see it as BS because now I can hold someone's feet to the fire and request test results. |
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Location: Oklahoma | We did our stallion last year when we heard that it was going to be required. Laico Ladiesman is N/N on all 5 . That is a good question about the deceased stallions, and frozen semen.
http://barrelhorseworld.com/horsedetail.asp?ID=93933
Edited by Hotcat 2014-01-08 4:32 PM
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