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| Alright I really needs y'all's advice/input on this. I have a 12 (going on 13) year old gelding who is the sweetest guy ever. The only problem is getting him to run in the arena. When he gets in there he becomes this old fart and starts swishing his tail and basically lopes the entire thing. The only time I feel him trying is going to the first. Other than that he just bogs down. He clocks 1D times locally and 2D at the big shows, but I know for a fact he has another gear in him. Ty Mitchell had me put him on Omelene 200 and gets coastal hay twice a day. He has been looked over by the vet countless times and is up to date on all his injections (he gets stifles hocks coffins and left shoulder). No supplements as of right now. PLEASE give me any form of advice. Anything would help. I just need to figure this out. I'm desperate |
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| Will he sprint in the pasture or in an outdoor pen? Work on just sprinting without a barrel pattern up. Maybe try a play day to see if he is just board with barrels. |
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Location: Dearing, GA | Do you suspect he might have ulcers?
How long have you been running him? Do you practice on the pattern a lot at home? |
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Location: Texas | do you use spurs or a whip/bat? Sometimes they quit running when you whip them during the run.
how often is he getting injected?
have you run a CBC on him to see if he may be anemic? |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | No supplements as of right now. This. He needs all the help he can internally. There is just not enough in hay and grain. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | May be he is bleeding or has ulcers. |
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Location: on my horse | Maybe he is just tired of running.
If he is older and needs that many injections he might just be trying to tell you he isn't into it so much anymore and wants a break |
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Location: on my horse | Maybe he is just tired of running.
If he is older and needs that many injections he might just be trying to tell you he isn't into it so much anymore and wants a break |
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| Just Let Me Run - 2014-01-08 9:07 PM
Do you suspect he might have ulcers?
How long have you been running him? Do you practice on the pattern a lot at home?
He does get cinchy and I do think ulcers could be it. I've been running him about a year and he hardly gets worked on the pattern at home unless he has an issue |
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| cow pie - 2014-01-08 9:35 PM
No supplements as of right now. This. He needs all the help he can internally. There is just not enough in hay and grain.
I've been wanting him to get on supplements but I don't know what he should get or what brand etc |
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| casualdust07 - 2014-01-08 9:16 PM
do you use spurs or a whip/bat? Sometimes they quit running when you whip them during the run.
how often is he getting injected?
have you run a CBC on him to see if he may be anemic?
Definitely don't whip him cause that ****es him off lol. And he gets his hocks done the most. The others are a just inject as needed sort of thing. And yeah he isn't anemic! |
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Location: MD | achildres - 2014-01-08 10:43 PM
cow pie - 2014-01-08 9:35 PM
No supplements as of right now. This. He needs all the help he can internally. There is just not enough in hay and grain.
I've been wanting him to get on supplements but I don't know what he should get or what brand etc
For a basic, overall health and well being type supplement, I love Oxy-Max from Oxy-Gen. I have seen a definite improvement in my horses since I began using it in my program.
I would first address the potential of ulcers. If he's being cinchy when you saddle, that's definitely a sign that it could be something. Even more so than that, watch his behavior when you go to loosen your cinch at the end of your ride. Does he pin his ears, or back up? You can have one scoped, but Honestly, I have learned to save that money and just treat them anyway.
If he checks out health wise, I'd be looking for something that really gets him to respond. I have a mare who will fire like I couldn't believe if you growl at her. You can kick, whip, spur, hiss, smooch, do anything you want and you won't get near what you can with a growl. I'd go to the arena and practice whatever noise, or action you want to mean "GO" to him. We'll say you're going to kiss to him to ask for more speed. I'd be going along and when I wanted him to hit the gas pedal, I smooch. If he doesn't respond in the way that you want, then you smooch again, this time, reinforcing it with a good bump from your heel/spur, or maybe a whip. It seems simple, but when one has learned to respond to a certain stimuli, it will make a difference. The biggest thing to remember, especially if you use a vocal cue, is to not "overuse" it. If you go smooching along through your entire run, it's going to lose effect. Wisely timed reactions to your cues to go forward can carve a whole lot of time from your runs. |
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Location: Texas | I have a horse like this. He has an 87 SI, so we know he can run. He just has "issues".
The tail swishing comment you made makes me think he's either ticked off, or something is bothering him. Maybe try chiro. to see if he's out in his back, etc.
I have heard Cetyl M is an excellent joint supplement - a friend has cut hock injections down to minimum by using it.
I've figured our horse out for the most part. He has feet issues. He also has breathing issues and bleeds in the hot summer. Keeping him comfortable with these issues helps a lot.
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| Get your vet to do a thermoscan after you have worked him hard for a,week, you will find out if he is sore somewhere. And also treat for ulcers.
Edited by daisycake123 2014-01-09 6:43 AM
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| I would look into ulcers for sure, as well as check out your saddle fit and overall chiropractic adjustment.
How is his behavior at home? Does anyone else ride him? Run him?
As far as supplements go, I put my gelding on Exceed 6-way this summer and I am very pleased with the results. He's 14 this year and while he isn't showing any big signs of joint pain, I like a little preventative maintenance at this age without going straight to injections. He has shown some light signs of ulcers in the past, such as not wanting to stand when being saddled, he stands quietly now. Overall he seems like he feels better, and his "bloom" is fantastic, everyone comments on how great he looks overall. |
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| OhMax - 2014-01-09 6:43 AM
I would look into ulcers for sure, as well as check out your saddle fit and overall chiropractic adjustment.
How is his behavior at home? Does anyone else ride him? Run him?
As far as supplements go, I put my gelding on Exceed 6-way this summer and I am very pleased with the results. He's 14 this year and while he isn't showing any big signs of joint pain, I like a little preventative maintenance at this age without going straight to injections. He has shown some light signs of ulcers in the past, such as not wanting to stand when being saddled, he stands quietly now. Overall he seems like he feels better, and his "bloom" is fantastic, everyone comments on how great he looks overall.
He like a big puppy dog at home. Runs and bucks around the pasture and would sit in your lap if he could. And nope I am the only one who rides him and runs him! I am putting him on ulcer treatment tonight and probably gonna get some supplements for him. |
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Location: Great NW | Make sure his diet is balanced and he looks and feels good if that doesn't do the trick then enter him in a local Rodeo - preferrably a performance.
If he doesn't seem to be sore and he is healthy. My bet is that he doesn't like to jackpot - I have had one that would not fire at jackpots but would run HARD at rodeos - he wanted the music and the CROWD. |
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| I have a mare that is 15 this year. Until she was 7 (she had a colt) she was a firecracker. After that, if you want her to run it better be her idea. She loves to run on a trail ride or something but the only way to get her run in an arena is to breeze her before I run and pump her up. If I just do a cool calm collected warm up were fixin to lope the pattern. Maybe you could try the breezing him thing. Its not like a half mile run or anything, all I do is lope away from the arena in a grassy area and just let my reins down for like 5 seconds and she knows she can go and takes off and then I slowly pull her back down. Of course rule out all the medical issues mentioned above first lol |
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