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Location: Weatherford, Texas | What do you contribute in a horse to the sire and what do you contribute to the dam side? And why?
i.e. disposition, build, bucker/no bucker, stubborn, trainability, athletic ability, heart? |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Any of them can come from either side. I have 2 mares by the same stud and they are like daylight and dark. |
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Location: Texas | I think some people just pick out the good points of a horse and say "Oh yeah that is because he is doc bar" and then if there is anything off about the horse they pin it on whatever horse is closest that isn't their favorite.
Honestly I don't think there is any way to tell for the most part what traits a horse gets from either parent. It may just be one parent, or it may be the combination of both of them that just made the horse a nut case (or a great horse). Now granted if momma was a nasty sour bronc and daddy wasn't... and the baby is just as raunchy as momma, you could probably feel safe blaming that on momma's side... but was there something wrong with momma that made her buck?
Back in the day, without knowing what we know now about soreness etc... I am sure there were a lot of good horses that were labeled "bad" because no one knew to look to see if the horse was hurting somewhere.
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Location: the end of the rainbow | I have 3 fillies by the same side out of different mares. All 3 of them stick out their upper lip in a funky way when they are either mad or focusing really hard on something. So I attribute that to their daddy.
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Location: Beggs, OK | I have had too many horses come to me with bad reputations that were simply manmade problems to have a grudge against a certain bloodline. At the moment I have a Docs Hickory/Impressive gelding that I love...a Hancocks Blue Boy/Johnny Boone....and one of my favorites ever was a line bred Watch Joe Jack/Blondys Dude.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/g7+t-bone
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/mental+revenge
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/reflect+mr+easter
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Location: Beggs, OK | SpaceCowboy here's my Hancocks Blue Boy/Johnny Boone colt last summer
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Attribute. It's impossible to predict 100%. The only thing you can do is look for trends in the parents and their parents and the grandparents, etc.... Which makes the discussions about what type of horse XXX is physcally and mentally.... pertinent to breeding horses for a specific task. |
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| I agree with the posters above ... it is hard to tell in the horse industry what really can be attributed to the mare or the stud - statistically speaking.
It would be interesting if AQHA and other major associations started EPD's similar to what the cattle industry already has in many breeds. EPD's (Expected Progeny Difference) is the prediction of how future progeny of each animal are expected to perform relative to the progeny of other animals listed in the database. These often track temperament as well as physical findings and even milk indexes. Mind you, these are tracked on both male and female progeny and then compared statistically across all of the offspring registered back to the association for that year. Thus, these are dynamic findings and can change over time as differences in the progeny are recorded.
How neat would it be if we could then say, for example, Corona Cartel direct sons were X hands as yearlings but mature to X hands by their 4 year old year as a group. You can add in there speed indexes that are already tracked as well as docility ratings, agility ratings, foot size, hip size ... the list could go on and on and on ... |
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Location: Weatherford, Texas | Lindseylou- I completely agree with you- I would love to see the statistics of height, weight, hip side, foot size, SI, etc. |
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Location: Paradise , tx | Years ago I bred a mare that I loved, hoping to get another her. The filly she had was NOTHING like her mom, (so much for the old saying that the mare influnces the colts dispostion)
Maybe she had a distant relatives personality. Never got along with her, unfortunatly. |
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| cooper08 - 2014-01-17 10:17 AM
Lindseylou- I completely agree with you- I would love to see the statistics of height, weight, hip side, foot size, SI, etc.
cooper08 - RIGHT??!! I think the equine industry is missing some really interesting things here .... I know first hand that the cattle industry utilizes these EPD's across the board. Some associations even cross index for % breedings between breeds. AQHA and APHA could TOTALLY do something along those lines too! |
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Location: Weatherford, Texas | Tailwind- what was the mom like? We had a mare that was hard working, nice, loveable. All her babies were demons from hell. Come to find out, so was she but she got sent to work day labor out on some big ranches and it got her past the mean part. All of her babies were devils but once you got them broke and respectful they held it and were nice horses. |
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Location: Washington | It depends a lot on both I believe. And I find it so funny how when there is a quirk in a horse people go and blame the stud like he is the only one contributing to the offspring.
Like Hancock (best example that came into my head)...he wasn't a known bucker. He got his bad name for throwing broncs because of the mares that were bred to him, that's where the "Hancocks are broncs" really came from. There are great Hancock lines that are the best of them all, then their are the broncy lines. Which now the name escapes me because I want to bring it up lol but you want to stay away from certain ones if you don't want a NFR bucker.
They can be hard headed that is true (so can a lot of other lines), but once you get through that stage they are some of the best horses. Will go which ever direction you point them in, gritty, and just dang tough with a lot of heart.
So really if there is a quirk in a horse I try to look at the mare as well and see what the mare linage is like up close instead of just trashing on the stud. For build and such I look at both sides closely. Like my aunt has a coming 3yr old who is looking more like a throwback with his height because neither sire or dam are super tall, and he is taller than both of them right now. So build is another thing I study on both sides to see, because on generation can be bricks and then others can be finer built. Like a box of chocolates, you never know what your really going to get lol!
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Location: Smack Dab in the Middle | I don't know that one side or the other "predisposes" them to any certain trait... I have two mares, full sisters. I got both mares at age 2. The only thing the same about them is that they are both grey--and I guess you can blame that one the dam--she was grey.
One mare is build like the dam, the other like the sire. One mare is fearless, the other afraid of her own shadow. |
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