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Location: CA | I am not sure what one has to do with the other. How do you feel about it? |
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| T turning 3 - 2014-01-19 4:58 PM
I am not sure what one has to do with the other. How do you feel about it?
what do you mean what one has to do with the other? |
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Location: Kansas | I wouldn't stick one on my colt, but that's my opinion |
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| hoofs_in_motion - 2014-01-19 5:07 PM
I wouldn't stick one on my colt, but that's my opinion
no flame suit needed- I'm seriously curious.
Why? If you had a problem (big or small) and someone or more than someone were telling you to use a tie down what would you do?
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Location: ND | I prefer not to use a tie down on a green broke horse BUT I will do it if a particular horse makes it the best option.
I broke a gelding a few years back who I had to use one on to protect myself. He was not dangerous at all, but when he played he was a serious head flinger. Under saddle he was soft as could be, he knew how to give to the bit & work in frame with no issues....but from time to time would get bored & playful & the head flinging would start. I had a minor fear of loosing my teeth on his back so he wore a loose tie down as a reminder not to play under saddle. I don't think wearing a tie down hindered him or his training at all.......
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Location: That part of Texas | What is the horse doing that these people are suggesting the only cure is a tie-down or is your best option? |
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 Crazy Doggy Mommy
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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | I feel like some may benefit from using one and others may not- You may need to go back to training fundamentals if they aren't working well without using a tie down. Theres so many opinions on tie downs its cray cray! |
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Location: Minnesota | I don't much think about what others are using on their horses. I don't know their horse and the reasons they do what they do. |
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| I usually use a loose one one a horse not maybe at home more at the shows. A just incase thing. |
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The Advice Guru
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| I have never used a tie down, actually don't even own one. Barrel racing is a hobby to me, I have a full time job to pay for my hobby, so this gives me the freedom to train my horses on how they can handle things
Some people use tiedowns and I have never bought into the tiedown thing,
But I do use a German martingale if my colts are having a hard time with collection/rate going into their turns and keeping the shortened stride around the turn. |
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Location: Texas | I don't use a tiedown on young horses away from the barrels. I start them with nothing on their head but a bridle and a caveson. When they advance more I take the caveson off. When I feel they are advanced enough to start fine tuning with breaking at the poll and lateral flexion, I will put a running martingale on. Honestly though, I can do a lot of that without a martingale.
I do tend to start them on the barrels with a loose tiedown on. It just helps keep them where they need to be. I start with a flat leather loose tiedown, and I usually keep the flat leather tiedown on through their first few months of running. When I feel they really no longer need anything, I take it off.
I don't use it to fix a problem. I expect all my horses to be working a certain way before we move to the pattern and before we increase speed… I never put a tiedown on to bypass any of that. If there is a problem, typically I go back to a loomis, split reins, and a martingale and work away from the barrels. |
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Location: Texas | I just want to add… that I keep an open mind with most things. If I have one that doesn't need a tie down, I don't use it. If I feel someone needs one- I use it. |
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| I try to use as little equipment as possible to get the job done.
My previous horse I ran in a tie down. My current horse, I do not.
My advice: if you decide to run with one, understand the reasoning behind you choosing to do so.
If you don't run with one, same thing-understand why you chose not to.
If you are not sure-play around with it, and pick what works best for you and your horse personally. |
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Location: My own little world :) | I personally hate tie downs but I think that was because of my experience in junior rodeo before I knew any better. I had a gelding that I basically tortured with head gear because I didn't know what I was doing. I changed bits probably once a week and had one of those cable tie downs. I'm not trying to offend anyone this is just my own personal experience.
I found that if I had a better foundation on my horses and more importantly had a better foundation in my own riding my horses no longer needed the tie downs. I think the need for tie downs stems from a person's riding positioning and their hands.
When I finally bought a new prospect I was determined to improve myself so that my horses wouldn't need a tie down so I moved to a german martingale until I felt I had my own hands under control enough that I didn't really need any extra equipment. Today I will occasionally use a german martingale on something that just doesn't seem to be picking up what I'm putting down but I usually only use it for a few days or weeks if needed.
I know it sucks to slow down and go back to the basics but sometimes its worth it and you discover something that you may have overlooked in the past :) |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Zanadoo88 - 2014-01-19 9:00 PM I think the need for tie downs stems from a person's riding positioning and their hands.
Not true!!!! If a tie down is used properly, it provides security. They were first used on roping horses to help the horse brace against something when they had to make quick stops after the rider roped the calf. Barrel racers used it to help a horse brace (balance) in the tight turns. SOME horses NEED that help and security.........others do not....
By the way....try telling Sherry Cervi that she has poor riding and hand position..........
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Location: My own little world :) | NJJ - 2014-01-19 9:20 PM
Zanadoo88 - 2014-01-19 9:00 PM I think the need for tie downs stems from a person's riding positioning and their hands. Not true!!!! If a tie down is used properly, it provides security. They were first used on roping horses to help the horse brace against something when they had to make quick stops after the rider roped the calf. Barrel racers used it to help a horse brace (balance) in the tight turns. SOME horses NEED that help and security.........others do not....
By the way....try telling Sherry Cervi that she has poor riding and hand position..........
Like I said in my post if you would have read a bit closer....this is just from my personal experience and I had absolutely no intention of offending anyone. For me personally I have found that I do better with my horses and not needing extra head gear as I have improved my riding skills. Chill out dude everyone is entitled to their own opinion. |
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Location: Arizona | We have a 3 year old filly that we have raised/trained since birth. She has to be ridden in a tie down for safety reasons. She and her mother are both head flingers and will put their head way up above your hands to evade pressure. (Think giraffe here) Obviously each horse is an individual and I would much rather not have to use one. She is the only horse of ours that does. Before anyone has 2 cents to add against our decision to use one on her- her teeth have been floated, started correctly since a weanling, not sore, not ridden hard, hubby is a very experienced horse trainer with multiple championships under his belt. It just works for her, she is almost lost without it. If it works use it, if it doesn't...don't. |
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Location: Kansas | RoaniePonie11 - 2014-01-19 5:22 PM
hoofs_in_motion - 2014-01-19 5:07 PM
I wouldn't stick one on my colt, but that's my opinion
no flame suit needed- I'm seriously curious.
Why? If you had a problem (big or small ) and someone or more than someone were telling you to use a tie down what would you do?
depends on the issue with the horse, all my horses are soft in the mouth and collect when asked. If I have control of the head, then why slap a tie down on them?Better yet, I rode a coming 4 year old for a girl.....but 30 days on him when I was on college. He was a flat out jerk, so I decided to put a tie down on him to keep him from tossing his head. He flipped over on me, I had to be rushed to the emergency room unconscious because he cracked my head open. Have a huge scar on my head now, that is my reason as to why I won't put a tie down on a young one until I attempt to ask for collection. If someone tells me to put a tie down on my horses, I probably wouldn't do it......unless my horse has serious head swinging issues or pops up.....even then I would reassess a way to train my horse to listen to my hands and find a root cause of the issue before hand.If you horse has issues, and multiple people are telling you to put one on him, do it. Most horses run better in a tie down, some without.Just my experience. ....And my 2 cents. |
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