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  Bye-Bye Jiggle
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Location: Where ever there's sunshine! | http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/radical+tiger+asset
I'll work on pics.
My mother bought this mare and found out at 4 years old she has kissing spine. She's still rideable for short periods just can't hold up to everyday riding/exercise. My mom offered her to me as a brood mare. The mare is an absolute doll, very athletic, has an amazing pain tolerance, and nice confirmation. Here's the kicker....she's a pleasure bred mare though she has a descent foundation bloodline. I'd like to know y'all's thoughts on her lines and any experiences on making barrel babies off of pleasure parents.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/good+asset
Dam is Zippos Tiger asset
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/loris+tiger+bar
Edited by BleuIdGrl 2014-01-20 8:32 PM
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Location: Kansas | whole bottom side is not on the website. How is she bred on the dam's side? |
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| Kissing spine can be hereditary. One with kissing spine at a very young age probably did inherit the condition. |
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Location: That part of Texas | For me, if they can't handle light riding each day or the equivalent thereof, I wouldn't breed them to basically handle that and maybe more by having to carry around a baby 24/7 -- especially in the later months of pregnancy. I have friends that do it anyway and I wince when I watch those poor mares try to walk around with a baby in their belly and in obvious distress from past injuries that the extra pounds causes to worsen. |
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Location: Western performance horse Hades | Honeymoney - 2014-01-20 3:31 PM Kissing spine can be hereditary. One with kissing spine at a very young age probably did inherit the condition.
This is contrary to what Dr. Honnas said in the Barrel Horse News article...
Aided by the better images produced by digital radiography, veterinarians are better able to locate potential kissing spines in a horse’s back. Plus they’re becoming more aware of the problem, so the diagnosis isn’t as rare as it once was.
Unfortunately, no concrete clues exist as to why horses get kissing spines. It can happen to horses of all shapes, sizes and conformations and isn’t discipline specific, says Honnas.
“It’s got to be some type of degenerative process that’s allowing those spaces to collapse over time,” he theorizes. “We’ve had some horses that we’ve followed over the course of a year or two with bone scans and x-rays, and you can see those bones were getting more inflamed (on the bone scan) and the spaces were getting closer and closer.”
No studies exist to determine if the problem is congenital either.
“We don’t know if that horse was born that way,” he says. “There are no studies that I’m aware of where a horse has been x-rayed from when they’re fairly young to the occurrence of a diagnosis of kissing spines. Something’s got to happen in the horse that causes those spaces to narrow, but again you don’t know where it started. There are a lot of unknowns about this condition at this time.”
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Bye-Bye Jiggle
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Location: Where ever there's sunshine! | I too have worked about her carrying but vets say she'll be fine...I'm undecided. Her case is from a accident. After many xrays and finding evidence of damage in other areas of her spine the vets and ourselves have come to the conclusion that this is most likely not something in her genetics. |
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Location: Texas | the kissing spine doesn't scare me that bad. there are procedures now to take off the spinous processes to alleviate the pain. Also, just an FYI for other people since obviously your horse is sore, but you can have sound horses with kissing lesions… so you have to treat each case individually.
What I would worry about are her bloodlines. ETA- I take it back. I can't see her dam on all breed but her sire's pedigree doesn't look like it would be out of place for a barrel horse.
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Bye-Bye Jiggle
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Location: Where ever there's sunshine! | im sorry i didnt check her allbreed...ill work on that.... |
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Location: Western performance horse Hades | I would visit with someone that is involved with show horses. Breed her to a reasonably priced show stud and sell her. I would not want to try to market a foal by a barrel stud out of her and would rather spend what little she might bring on a more promising prospect. I'd use her as a means to trade up so to speak. |
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Bye-Bye Jiggle
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Location: Where ever there's sunshine! | zipper - 2014-01-20 9:21 PM
I would visit with someone that is involved with show horses. Breed her to a reasonably priced show stud and sell her. I would not want to try to market a foal by a barrel stud out of her and would rather spend what little she might bring on a more promising prospect. I'd use her as a means to trade up so to speak.
Ill have to look into some of the pleasure and trail studs. I know my mom looked into breeding her, but well, my mom is a different story. Thank you! |
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| Your mare has more Three Bars in her pedigree than he did, lol. Sure it's back a couple generations, but it's about as close as you get these days unless they are advanced in age. Than for good measure she has Leo and Joe Reed in there too. She is not the current, popular barrel breeding, but she is the good old stuff that I would love to have in my horse. I believe she could produce barrel babies for you. I would definitely be concerned with her ability to carry and deliver a baby tho with her condition, so I would certainly have her extensively looked at by a good repo vet who is also versed in the kissing spine disorder
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Bye-Bye Jiggle
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Location: Where ever there's sunshine! | I'll be honest, I hadn't even looked at her papers. Being "pleasure/show" bred I figured I wouldn't recognize anything. Wow....couldn't believe it. I may check into having her flushed. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | If I were you, I would cross her on Last Details or Iron Age and get a nice show horse with some beautiful movement. I know more about the english bloodlines, but her dam's line could go either way as Chocolua is by a son of Zippo Pine Bar and a TB mare and was a Congress Champion in Hunter Hack. They don't usually have the "desire" to go fast being bred like her, but doesn't mean she can't.
http://www.ironageqh.com/
http://horsescene.blogspot.com/2013/09/last-detail-moves-to-hanes-performance.html
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