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Location: your guess is as good as mine | bbennington - 2014-03-01 11:22 AM we have a daughter out of AQHA supreme champion Lucks Easyfanta boy. She proved herself in the barrels and poles. Also has a great mind but she is not what people are looking for as a broodmare. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/unique+fantasy
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Location: torrington, wy | as of Jan3,2014 there are 50 horses that have earned AQHA S Championships, Gotta Good Habit is the newest one.
Our old stallion Fairbars Jr was by Fairbars AQHA Supreme CH. Leo sired Leo Maudie sup. ch Leo's daughtes produced 7 supreme champions, Sugar Rocket, Jet threat, Coldstream Guard, Goodbye Sam, Milk River, Kid Meyers & Fairbars. It seemed more special back in the day than now.
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| kuhlmann - 2014-02-28 6:35 PM If I were breeding for a barrel horse, I'd likely look at a very new supreme champion. His pedigree is solid enough, and he looks to be a neat horse.
I just don't think he will demand respect at yearling sales which is a big consideration for me. I have to breed for a fast, sound horse that will sell.
I saw that article about him, too. I remember thinking "wow that guy has got to have a good mind to be trainable and competitive at that many different disciplines." I would look twice at him and breed to him if his conformation suited me. Brains, trainablility and confirmation are more important to me than bloodlines. Every year new stallions and new blood become the hottest thing going. Corona Cartel sons, for instance. And now his son Ivory James is hot. Next year it will be something different because so many different bloodlines work for barrel racing. Some barrel champoins are all cow bred, others all race bred. |
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| OregonBR - 2014-02-28 1:03 PM
Good topic!  And by the way. The only reason you're seeing Supreme Champions again is because they are not showing against the "halter horse" that has become the standard for that discipline. There is no way a racebred horse would be able to beat a real halter bred horse. That's how screwed up AQHA shows have become. Again IMO 
Impressive was one of the greatest halter horses of his time who went on to become one of the premier halter horse sires. He was bred to be a race horse. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | BMW - 2014-03-01 11:41 PM OregonBR - 2014-02-28 1:03 PM Good topic! And by the way. The only reason you're seeing Supreme Champions again is because they are not showing against the "halter horse" that has become the standard for that discipline. There is no way a racebred horse would be able to beat a real halter bred horse. That's how screwed up AQHA shows have become. Again IMO Impressive was one of the greatest halter horses of his time who went on to become one of the premier halter horse sires. He was bred to be a race horse.
Look at the pedigree of one of the greatest hunter under saddle horses of all time-Last Detail. Race bred and sires some of the slowest smoothest moving horses of all time.
What I'm saying is, if I want a race horse, I want to breed to a horse bred to run, that has proven himself racing and also proven himself to sire race horses.
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2014-03-02 8:36 AM BMW - 2014-03-01 11:41 PM OregonBR - 2014-02-28 1:03 PM Good topic!
And by the way. The only reason you're seeing Supreme Champions again is because they are not showing against the "halter horse" that has become the standard for that discipline. There is no way a racebred horse would be able to beat a real halter bred horse. That's how screwed up AQHA shows have become. Again IMO Impressive was one of the greatest halter horses of his time who went on to become one of the premier halter horse sires. He was bred to be a race horse.
Look at the pedigree of one of the greatest hunter under saddle horses of all time-Last Detail. Race bred and sires some of the slowest smoothest moving horses of all time.
What I'm saying is, if I want a race horse, I want to breed to a horse bred to run, that has proven himself racing and also proven himself to sire race horses.
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| I didn't read all the replies.
I think it's great if someone has the resources to go for this award. It really does take a lot of money though to accomplish the goal of a Supreme Champion.
As for the halter points.... Having the Performance Halter has made it easier to get halter points on those horses instead of them having to go head to head with the new halter horse (which we all know doesn't look anything like a riding horse).
When Refrigerator was retired from the track, Helzers were going to make him into a Supreme Champion. This was before Performance Halter was around. The number one topic was how Refrigerator would get halter points. The standard answer was, "That is the least of their worries as halter points can always be bought".
At that time in the industry, the top trainers who needed halter points knew exactly what judges to enter under. Not because they could be bought off, but because there were judges out there that would place a performance horse over a muscle bound freak.
Back to the original question and topic... $20,000 is nothing to have won on the track. Most race people will not even hardly look at a stallion with those kind of earnings. By making a race horse with only $20,000 in earnings a Supreme Champion.... they have somewhat opened the market to find more potential breeders because they have shown the versatitaly of the horse, JMHI. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | SKM - 2014-03-02 7:49 AM I didn't read all the replies.
I think it's great if someone has the resources to go for this award. It really does take a lot of money though to accomplish the goal of a Supreme Champion.
As for the halter points.... Having the Performance Halter has made it easier to get halter points on those horses instead of them having to go head to head with the new halter horse (which we all know doesn't look anything like a riding horse).
When Refrigerator was retired from the track, Helzers were going to make him into a Supreme Champion. This was before Performance Halter was around. The number one topic was how Refrigerator would get halter points. The standard answer was, "That is the least of their worries as halter points can always be bought".
At that time in the industry, the top trainers who needed halter points knew exactly what judges to enter under. Not because they could be bought off, but because there were judges out there that would place a performance horse over a muscle bound freak.
Back to the original question and topic... $20,000 is nothing to have won on the track. Most race people will not even hardly look at a stallion with those kind of earnings. By making a race horse with only $20,000 in earnings a Supreme Champion.... they have somewhat opened the market to find more potential breeders because they have shown the versatitaly of the horse, JMHI.
I agree with all of this.
I have friends that show AQHA in roping events and have won numerous Select world and reserve world Championships. While the stallion is fantastic, the owner/rider is a great roper, they have admitted that you get points if the judge knows you, if your roping partner is someone "big" and if they like the bloodlines of your horse. AQHA shows in all reality, are a joke. I will keep going myself because they are fun and in most events, I am just a class filler so far (good to be able to laugh at yourself right?). But with all judged events, it's never "fair". |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Sounds like they need to adjust race earnings for inflation. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Now I would get excited if horses had to win 2 races (prove it wasn't a fluke), AAA and have earnings over $50K. $100K would be better but it is hard enough to get a Supreme Champ as it is. Halter points earned in regular halter (which I understand is nearly impossible) and then what ever events they choose. I personally like to see one in the reining/cowhorse or english events as it proves they can slow down and work a controlled pattern and not be balls to the wall at all times.
But again, I am pretty impressed with any of them past and present as it stands. I just don't see them having a market to most mare owners because of the inability to win in an AQHA event with a horse that isn't Specialized. And so the cost to get one is more a matter to say you have one (Supr Champ). |
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| i remember what a race it was for the first Supreme Champion. Kid Meyers won but can't remember who the second Supreme Champion was. There was a lot more publicity about it in QH Journal than what they do now. |
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| http://horsesonly.com/crossroads/supreme/default.htm
Interesting article on the topic. This was before mr joe I'm cool, gotta a good habit and such. This is from lucks easy fanta boy and past. |
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| It tells me the horse has a good mind and is athletic enough to do something besides run down the track. I have two in my sights for breeding my Leaving Memories daughter. |
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| It tells me the horse has a good mind and is athletic enough to do something besides run down the track. I have two in my sights for breeding my Leaving Memories daughter. |
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