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Evittranch
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Posted 2014-03-06 8:42 PM
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Evittranch - 2014-03-06 4:34 PM I also was reading from a "holistic"  that beet pulp is crap and filled with all the above plus GMOs!!  Makes me sad because I'm a big beet pulp advocate and just bought a big bag not too long ago.  Dont know what to do with it!
 Corn, soybeans, rice, and some alfalfa are GMO as well, and they all use fertilizer and pesticides.  What are you going to feed a horse that's not?  
yep, not much out there to chose from that I have found. 

Just switched to Renew Gold....they use non GMO ingredients.  
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Posted 2014-03-06 10:28 PM
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Just curious.. Do ya'll put this much thought into what you put into your own mouth? I'll admit... I dont!
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Posted 2014-03-07 12:34 AM
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barrelracr131 - 2014-03-06 10:37 AM So she quotes something from the 80s She has had 100 clients in 12 YEARS? SERIOUSLY? I'm pretty sure this lady has to have a day job unless she gets like 5-10 G's per client each year Then all the evidence is theory and anecdote I could be like "I put this rock in my horse's stall and no bears have attacked him. The rock must be keeping them away, ermageherd" and that would be just as scientific as her conclusions Alison out
That's all I needed to hear! The Scientist has spoken.



Jennifer out.

you are so wrong Jennifer. its not Jennifer out. It is the bear out. the bear has not attacked the horse, due to the rock in the stall. Sheesh. read the paragraph.. Bear out........  (lol, sorry, i just couldnt resist
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phoenix
Reg. Feb 2009
Posted 2014-03-07 1:21 AM
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phoenix - 2014-03-06 3:33 PM

My advice is to go to a sugar beet processing plant and check it out for yourself. I did and I will never feed beet pulp again.

The amount of chemicals in this stuff is unbelievable. Chemical fertilizers and pesticides used when the plant is growing, heavy chemical agents that they wash the sugar beets in once they are harvested, and heavy chemicals that they process the "pulp" with was enough for me to stop feeding it.

And my horses have done way better. JMHO.......

Do your homework. Go to a sugar beet facility and then make your own decision.


Another case of a person who has no REAL knowledge of the so-called heavy chemicals used in beet processing. They are processed to make sucrose (and food grade juice, etc) and the chemicals used are FDA approved and are used in most processing plants.  Additionally, you had better not ever feed ANY kind of processed feed that includes corn, oats, soy bean, etc....all have been sprayed with fertilizer and pesticides....



and YES....I have done my research....in fact, I worked at GPC (Kent Feeds) in the Research Labs for 10 years......just saying..... 

Interesting comment - but I disagree. When I did the tour of the plant they actually went over the number/types of chemicals that were used in the processing of the sugar beets, so I am not misinformed. Two points to be made here -
1)  Sugar beets made into pulp have to go through more chemical "steps" than a lot of other crops
2)  I truly don't believe that just because the FDA says a chemical is safe necessarily means that it really is. IJS

BTW - I do not feed processed feeds to my horses. I have an organic farmer that I get corn, oats and barley from and I mix my own feed.
I just believe that people should do their own research and then make a choice based on what indicates for them. That's all.

 
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BARRELHORSE USA
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Posted 2014-03-07 5:06 AM
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cn1705 - 2014-03-06 7:47 AM

HHMMMM this was kind of an interesting article. I do feed beet pulp. What are peoples opinions on this?

http://holisticequine.blogspot.com/2013/06/is-beet-pulp-toxic-to-ho...

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This article is very true and correct ... it does not go far enough and tell you that horses are not rumens with 4 stomachs that also have difficulty digesting beet pulp.

It also does not tell you that for 1 qt of beet pulp pellets they need to absorb one gallon of water to rehydrate and must be done within 4 hours of feeding to prevent it from going into fermentation. ... and becoming toxic. Beet pulp shredded or pelleted form can store for over 5 years when kept dry.... mold and fermentation begins immediately when wetted down due to the oxygen in the air and water...

It also does not tell you to limit the amount of beet pulp fed due to its high calcium content, to avoid developmental problems in young horses, enteroliths in mature horses and renal calculi in older horses.

Since beet pulp has become such a money maker for the beet industry since they no longer have to pay to send it to the city dump to get rid of it .... and to the horse and cow feed industry as a profit making trash food for animals to up the volume and weight of their high priced feeds..... you are not going to get an honest answer from either of them...

Then you need to know the short and long term affects on the horses organs of the heavy metals that beet pulp contains and the bad affects of removing good metals it takes out of your horses entire system. You need to be a vet and chemist to figure out what supplements you need to add to recover the good metals and the treatments you need to plan for as the horses organs, joints and muscles get loaded with heavy metals.

To get an analysis or beet pulp showing the true content of heavy metals and the chemical treatments used during the sugar processing .... you have to go to Europe to get the honest facts about beet pulp. There is too much money being made from selling beet pulp in the USA and CANADA for them to show the entire analysis they provided 10 years ago. ... like everything else these days ... they only give you the short form analysis ...

Read and enjoy everything they say about cows ... double or triple the problems beet pulp gives horses due to their digestive systems. Look very hard at the true analysis of beet pulp provided in this excellent article ..... save it for future reference ...
http://www.srcoop.com/articles/beetpulp_belgiansummary.pdf

I use one major rule at my barn on feeding beet pulp ... >>>>

IF A RAT WON'T EAT IT ...
I WON'T FEED IT !!

(beet pulp wiki will give you a few solid facts about the unsafe reasons not to be feeding beet pulp)

Whoops ... time to go load up and take some to schooling races that start at 7am ... Have a good day!!


Edited by BARRELHORSE USA 2014-03-07 5:15 AM
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myvwranch
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Posted 2014-03-07 8:18 AM
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BARRELHORSE USA - 2014-03-07 5:06 AM

cn1705 - 2014-03-06 7:47 AM

HHMMMM this was kind of an interesting article. I do feed beet pulp. What are peoples opinions on this?

http://holisticequine.blogspot.com/2013/06/is-beet-pulp-toxic-to-ho...

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This article is very true and correct ... it does not go far enough and tell you that horses are not rumens with 4 stomachs that also have difficulty digesting beet pulp.

It also does not tell you that for 1 qt of beet pulp pellets they need to absorb one gallon of water to rehydrate and must be done within 4 hours of feeding to prevent it from going into fermentation. ... and becoming toxic. Beet pulp shredded or pelleted form can store for over 5 years when kept dry.... mold and fermentation begins immediately when wetted down due to the oxygen in the air and water...

It also does not tell you to limit the amount of beet pulp fed due to its high calcium content, to avoid developmental problems in young horses, enteroliths in mature horses and renal calculi in older horses.

Since beet pulp has become such a money maker for the beet industry since they no longer have to pay to send it to the city dump to get rid of it .... and to the horse and cow feed industry as a profit making trash food for animals to up the volume and weight of their high priced feeds..... you are not going to get an honest answer from either of them...

Then you need to know the short and long term affects on the horses organs of the heavy metals that beet pulp contains and the bad affects of removing good metals it takes out of your horses entire system. You need to be a vet and chemist to figure out what supplements you need to add to recover the good metals and the treatments you need to plan for as the horses organs, joints and muscles get loaded with heavy metals.

To get an analysis or beet pulp showing the true content of heavy metals and the chemical treatments used during the sugar processing .... you have to go to Europe to get the honest facts about beet pulp. There is too much money being made from selling beet pulp in the USA and CANADA for them to show the entire analysis they provided 10 years ago. ... like everything else these days ... they only give you the short form analysis ...

Read and enjoy everything they say about cows ... double or triple the problems beet pulp gives horses due to their digestive systems. Look very hard at the true analysis of beet pulp provided in this excellent article ..... save it for future reference ...
http://www.srcoop.com/articles/beetpulp_belgiansummary.pdf

I use one major rule at my barn on feeding beet pulp ... >>>>

IF A RAT WON'T EAT IT ...
I WON'T FEED IT !!

(beet pulp wiki will give you a few solid facts about the unsafe reasons not to be feeding beet pulp)

Whoops ... time to go load up and take some to schooling races that start at 7am ... Have a good day!!

wow... guess the only thing good for horses is grass and hay???this feed thing is driing me crazy. I also feed beet pulp mainly for the water when there is no grass out. I have lots of rye grass now and I feed alfalfa. I sure wish I knew what is the best thing to do.... I have tried total equine, right now I feed stradedy healthy edge 6 lbs a day. and I have been soaking one scoop of beet pulp and dividing it between 6 horses twice a day. guess I will quit that.
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TBone
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Posted 2014-03-07 9:13 AM
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Written by Dr. Eleanor Kellon, VMD:  (you can research/google her credentials!)


 

Beet Pulp

Beet pulp is a by-product of sugar production but for some reason there is more negative and inaccurate information floating around on the internet about beet pulp than any equine feed ingredient you can name.

SUGAR BEETS

Beet pulp is the fibrous portion of the sugar beet below ground root which remains after it has been soaked in hot water to remove the sugar. It has a calorie yield similar to oats but because it is fermented like hay does not produce a blood sugar spike like grains do. Even if the pulp has high residual sugar or had molasses added to it, careful thorough rinsing, soaking and rinsing again can remove that to make it safe even for horses with insulin resistance.

Beet pulp can absorb 4 times its dry weight in water, which results in a high volume but low calorie meal and a good way to get extra water and supplements into the horse. It has good protein levels of 9 to 10% and is a good source of calcium. It can help substitute for hay as a fiber source during periods of shortage.

Those are the facts. Here are some of the unsubstantiated claims.

Myth: Beets are treated with a chemical defoliant to kill the top leaves before they are harvested. Completely untrue. The leaves are removed mechanically.

Myth: Beet pulp also contains the leaves and can cause oxalate poisoning. False. There are no leaves in beet pulp and oxalate levels are very low.

Myth: Production of the pulp involves many harsh chemicals. Nope. No chemicals are used in the production of the pulp, which is what remains after hot water soaking of the beet roots. The only chemicals involved are low levels of antimicrobials/biocides to control bacterial growth in the sugar water. The most common is hydrogen sulfide, which is also the biocide used to preserve wines.

Myth: Beet pulp causes hind end weakness and muscle loss. This doesn’t even make any sense. The person claiming this tries to claim it is because oxalate in beet pulp (see above) ties up calcium and causes the horse to not be able to digest/absorb nutrients properly. Again, this is science fiction. Oxalate toxicity is a real thing, but not from beet pulp, and interfering with digestion and absorption is not one of the effects in any case.

Myth: Beet pulp is high in insoluble fiber and poorly digestible. Exactly the opposite is true. It is lower in insoluble fiber than grass/hay, high in soluble fiber and very easily digested in the large intestine by fermentation.

Another criticism, that much beet pulp is now from GMO plants, will be addressed in detail in another blog. For now, I just want to address that glyphosate/Roundup residues in sugar made from GMO beets is zero – undetectable. Levels I have seen for the pulp are also extremely low, less than 1 ppm. This is not surprising considering that glyphosate is water soluble and the beets undergo extensive washing and soaking.

There will always be horses that do not do well on particular feed ingredients but there is no reason to universally condemn beet pulp. It is an excellent diet addition for most horses.

Eleanor Kellon, VMD

 
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lurker - 2014-03-07 12:34 AM
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barrelracr131 - 2014-03-06 10:37 AM So she quotes something from the 80s She has had 100 clients in 12 YEARS? SERIOUSLY? I'm pretty sure this lady has to have a day job unless she gets like 5-10 G's per client each year Then all the evidence is theory and anecdote I could be like "I put this rock in my horse's stall and no bears have attacked him. The rock must be keeping them away, ermageherd" and that would be just as scientific as her conclusions Alison out
That's all I needed to hear! The Scientist has spoken.



Jennifer out.
you are so wrong Jennifer. its not Jennifer out. It is the bear out. the bear has not attacked the horse, due to the rock in the stall. Sheesh. read the paragraph.. Bear out........  (lol, sorry, i just couldnt resist

....man, I messed that all up didn't I? lol
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amy laymon
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Posted 2014-03-07 10:10 AM
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Years ago I asked a lady I have always used for nutritional info and she works on my horses too, about beet pulp. She said no don't feed it. She told me about how it was processed and how horses would process it and I never have fed it. I stay with my cob mix of mainly oats and all natural supplements for the best results. So many love feeding so much alfalfa and they think its ok. But so many health issues with that too that people don't correlate with other problems. Such as spurs in the joints because of the calcium over growth. So they run to the vet and have the horses injected over and over again when everything starts with nutrition. Your calcium, phosphorus, and magnesium need to be in proper balance or all heck breaks loose.
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