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| RacingQH - 2014-04-02 9:37 AM
To me, the recip mare fee DOES sound high. I have seen several places that charge $1500 to $1800 for the recip mare. And with some of them, you get to keep the mare. Meaning you are BUYING her, not leasing her. After the foal is weaned, you can do what you see fit with the recip mare. (There are places that are doing E.T. But, IMO a "recip mare" is a recip mare no matter the procedure.) I think this is the problem when you don't have the option of going somewhere else to have the procedure done. THey can charge what ever they want and you either pay it, or "go without".Â
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Location: Desert Land | aqhabarrelchic1 - 2014-04-02 6:15 AM
RacingQH - 2014-04-02 9:37 AM
To me, the recip mare fee DOES sound high. I have seen several places that charge $1500 to $1800 for the recip mare. And with some of them, you get to keep the mare. Meaning you are BUYING her, not leasing her. After the foal is weaned, you can do what you see fit with the recip mare. (There are places that are doing E.T. But, IMO a "recip mare" is a recip mare no matter the procedure.) I think this is the problem when you don't have the option of going somewhere else to have the procedure done. THey can charge what ever they want and you either pay it, or "go without".Â
That's not high for out here
 Agreed. Check Dr Steve Burns prices, he's even higher. |
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Location: Desert Land | I just talked to Dr. Beck yesterday about the ICSI with DFP semen. It is $8,500 for the procedure & $1,500 for the stud fee. You are NOT responsible for the $8,500 until you get a pregnancy. If you don't get a pregnancy, the only thing you are out is the mare care & stud fee.
I have researched doing ICSI with about 5-6 other vets and Dr. Beck is by far the best value. He is the only vet (I found) that has a set price for the procedure - every where else charges you per aispiration, injection, cycle fees, Oocyte collection fees, some charge for a mare enrollment fee. It adds up quick and if my mare was at another clinic with those incurring fees right now, I would be well over $8,500 already. |
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Location: Windy Wyoming | TheOldGrayMare - 2014-04-02 8:02 AM
I just talked to Dr. Beck yesterday about the ICSI with DFP semen. It is $8,500 for the procedure & $1,500 for the stud fee. You are NOT responsible for the $8,500 until you get a pregnancy. If you don't get a pregnancy, the only thing you are out is the mare care & stud fee.
I have researched doing ICSI with about 5-6 other vets and Dr. Beck is by far the best value. He is the only vet (I found) that has a set price for the procedure - every where else charges you per aispiration, injection, cycle fees, Oocyte collection fees, some charge for a mare enrollment fee. It adds up quick and if my mare was at another clinic with those incurring fees right now, I would be well over $8,500 already.
Yes that is why when I was looking into ICSI I wanted a guarantee.... he was the ONLY vet with a set price, and a guarantee.... He is bar none the best and I will send all of my ICSI mares to him :) think it's the best way so you know how much you are looking at in the long run. The shipping mares there and back, board, extras drugs, insurance add up but at least you know you have a set price for the procedure! I can't tell you how amazing he is and GREAT at what he does! ON the contract from a different place on the first page I would have been well over $25,000 each foal with all the aspirations, sperm injection, donor mare etc... |
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Location: Bigfoot Country | Plus, his oocyte recovery and pregnancy rate is GREAT! I think he had 49 resulting pregnancies using this procedure last year. He is on track to do more this year! It is very important to know what the vets percentage of pregnancies or live foals is. Some of them are still trying to figure it out and spending YOUR money in the meantime by charging ala carte for services. Always ask how many they have gotten on the ground, or pregnant when making the decision to do ICSI. |
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| The mare has to go to Cal. right? I'm in OKC. That's a long way for me. But it sounds like the chance of success is good. Thanks.
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Location: Desert Land | booney - 2014-04-02 1:10 PM The mare has to go to Cal. right? I'm in OKC. That's a long way for me. But it sounds like the chance of success is good. Thanks.
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booney - 2014-04-02 5:58 AM
So, the place in MO isn't doing it now? Thanks.
No only Dr. Beck now in CA.....
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Location: OREGON | Thank you Lisa for suggesting this to DFP owner! I knew it would be expensive, but $10k +, wowza. I hope there is enough semen to keep doing it for awhile. I would love to try it in a few years! |
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Location: OREGON | I see in the new BHN his stud fee is now $1500 and TAMU is trying this procedure this year. Be interesting to hear if they have any success at it. How exciting to know there is hope for more DFP babies. 
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Location: OREGON | booney - 2014-04-02 1:10 PM The mare has to go to Cal. right? I'm in OKC. That's a long way for me. But it sounds like the chance of success is good. Thanks.
TAMU is trying it this year. But, not a vet doing it??? |
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Location: Texas | Kassi4D - 2014-04-29 6:32 PM
booney - 2014-04-02 1:10 PM The mare has to go to Cal. right? I'm in OKC. That's a long way for me. But it sounds like the chance of success is good. Thanks.
TAMU is trying it this year. But, not a vet doing it???Â
TAMU has been doing it for several years. They are one of the national forefronts on ICSI technology.
They are doing FWF's ICSI, as well as some big cutters. I forgot which cutter it was she told us about during a guest lecture one evening.
My reproductive physiology professor is one of the vets in charge of ICSI there… she quoted me about $4000 for ICSI and $4000 for the ET.
They routinely do ICSI for shipped in oocytes. It's not that hard at all for a regular vet to aspirate an oocyte, ship it like you would ship semen, have TAMU incubate it and do the ICSI, then they fly the embryo to a recip herd like you would for ET.
Many of the people involved in equine repro at TAMU are dual DVM/PhDs and usually are boarded in something. Some of them are PhDs only as they are really involved in research. they all work together. I think the guy who actually works the micro manipulator is a PhD. |
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Location: OREGON | casualdust07 - 2014-04-29 6:44 PM Kassi4D - 2014-04-29 6:32 PM booney - 2014-04-02 1:10 PM The mare has to go to Cal. right? I'm in OKC. That's a long way for me. But it sounds like the chance of success is good. Thanks. TAMU is trying it this year. But, not a vet doing it??? TAMU has been doing it for several years. They are one of the national forefronts on ICSI technology. They are doing FWF's ICSI, as well as some big cutters. I forgot which cutter it was she told us about during a guest lecture one evening. My reproductive physiology professor is one of the vets in charge of ICSI there… she quoted me about $4000 for ICSI and $4000 for the ET. They routinely do ICSI for shipped in oocytes. It's not that hard at all for a regular vet to aspirate an oocyte, ship it like you would ship semen, have TAMU incubate it and do the ICSI, then they fly the embryo to a recip herd like you would for ET. Many of the people involved in equine repro at TAMU are dual DVM/PhDs and usually are boarded in something. Some of them are PhDs only as they are really involved in research. they all work together. I think the guy who actually works the micro manipulator is a PhD.
Sorry, I should have said TAMU is trying DFP semen this year... |
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Location: Texas | Kassi4D - 2014-05-03 9:52 AM
casualdust07 - 2014-04-29 6:44 PM Kassi4D - 2014-04-29 6:32 PM booney - 2014-04-02 1:10 PM The mare has to go to Cal. right? I'm in OKC. That's a long way for me. But it sounds like the chance of success is good. Thanks. TAMU is trying it this year. But, not a vet doing it??? TAMU has been doing it for several years. They are one of the national forefronts on ICSI technology. They are doing FWF's ICSI, as well as some big cutters. I forgot which cutter it was she told us about during a guest lecture one evening. My reproductive physiology professor is one of the vets in charge of ICSI there… she quoted me about $4000 for ICSI and $4000 for the ET. They routinely do ICSI for shipped in oocytes. It's not that hard at all for a regular vet to aspirate an oocyte, ship it like you would ship semen, have TAMU incubate it and do the ICSI, then they fly the embryo to a recip herd like you would for ET. Many of the people involved in equine repro at TAMU are dual DVM/PhDs and usually are boarded in something. Some of them are PhDs only as they are really involved in research. they all work together. I think the guy who actually works the micro manipulator is a PhD.
ahhhhhhhhhh ok, makes sense! I was like.. I just sat through two lectures on this with the lady in charge of it! |
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