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SI Pain - Negative Palmer Angles in the hind feet

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Rope-N-Run
Reg. Jan 2010
Posted 2014-04-29 6:03 PM
Subject: SI Pain - Negative Palmer Angles in the hind feet


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I am wondering if anyone has any experience with SI Pain and/or negative palmer angles in the hind feet? I suspect my horse has some pain in her SI area, from her SI back to her tail head, she seem a little off behind and she is stiff particularly in her right hind. I know when the Chiropractor comes out she is always sore there, I have been contemplating getting it injected. I was doing a little research on negative palmer angles and saw that it said NPA in the hind can cause SI pain, which makes since to me. We do annual shoeing exams but we always just x-ray the front, I guess because that is where most of her issues have been in the past. Any info is much appreciated.
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readytorodeo
Reg. Dec 2005
Posted 2014-04-29 6:17 PM
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Have you looked at her feet to see if they are level and balanced. You can tell slot by looking at the coronary band.
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Rope-N-Run
Reg. Jan 2010
Posted 2014-04-29 7:28 PM
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Yes they look good, that's why I was thinking x-rays to see what was going on inside. If anything her heels might look a little low.
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runs4fun
Reg. Oct 2006
Posted 2014-04-29 8:19 PM
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Xrays of the feet wouldn't tell you if the pain in the SI is coming from NPA.  If there was something going on inside the foot they would have foot pain.  If the SI pain is alleviated by correcting the poor farrier job then you'll have your answer, I would think. 
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barrelracinbroke
Reg. Jun 2004
Posted 2014-04-30 2:33 PM
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Yes I have had this issue. About 12 years ago. Chronic back soreness in the lumbar area as well as the SI area. The horse had a very slight "bullnose" type of look in one hind foot with low heels. One more than the other. Luckily, a good vet noticed it and x-rayed the hind feet which found a Negative Palmar Angle. It was fixed over a period of time with proper shoeing angles, which temporarily included a wedge pad on the hind end. Back soreness was alleviated.

 
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Rope-N-Run
Reg. Jan 2010
Posted 2014-04-30 3:13 PM
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barrelracinbroke - 2014-05-01 12:33 PM

Yes I have had this issue. About 12 years ago. Chronic back soreness in the lumbar area as well as the SI area. The horse had a very slight "bullnose" type of look in one hind foot with low heels. One more than the other. Luckily, a good vet noticed it and x-rayed the hind feet which found a Negative Palmar Angle. It was fixed over a period of time with proper shoeing angles, which temporarily included a wedge pad on the hind end. Back soreness was alleviated.

 

Thanks. My farrier was actually the one who noticed she was stiffer on her right hind, I had thought something was off but couldn't quit pin point what is was. I had also noticed that she didn't like to pick up her right lead in the hind and carried her tail off to the left. We started keeping a closer eye on long her hinds got and have been doing all 4 feet every 3-4 weeks - used to do fronts every 3 and hinds 5-6 - this has helped some but we were talking and thought it might be good to take her in and get her x-rayed. Idk just thinking about the anatomy of how the hind leg works I could see how a NPA could cause soreness there but was curious if anyone else had experience. Thanks again. How long did your horse have a wedge?
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barrelracinbroke
Reg. Jun 2004
Posted 2014-04-30 5:27 PM
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Rope-N-Run - 2014-04-30 1:13 PM
barrelracinbroke - 2014-05-01 12:33 PM Yes I have had this issue. About 12 years ago. Chronic back soreness in the lumbar area as well as the SI area. The horse had a very slight "bullnose" type of look in one hind foot with low heels. One more than the other. Luckily, a good vet noticed it and x-rayed the hind feet which found a Negative Palmar Angle. It was fixed over a period of time with proper shoeing angles, which temporarily included a wedge pad on the hind end. Back soreness was alleviated.



 
Thanks. My farrier was actually the one who noticed she was stiffer on her right hind, I had thought something was off but couldn't quit pin point what is was. I had also noticed that she didn't like to pick up her right lead in the hind and carried her tail off to the left. We started keeping a closer eye on long her hinds got and have been doing all 4 feet every 3-4 weeks - used to do fronts every 3 and hinds 5-6 - this has helped some but we were talking and thought it might be good to take her in and get her x-rayed. Idk just thinking about the anatomy of how the hind leg works I could see how a NPA could cause soreness there but was curious if anyone else had experience. Thanks again. How long did your horse have a wedge?

That was quite a few years ago, so hard to remember how long he had the wedges on. If I had to guess I think only for about 6 weeks. I know it wasn't long. I had changed farriers at that point as well and with proper trims and setting the shoe back he got him out of the wedges fast. And you're absolutely RIGHT that hind feet not being balanced properly can affect that area. Along with many other areas. Absolutely!
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barrelracinbroke
Reg. Jun 2004
Posted 2014-04-30 5:28 PM
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barrelracinbroke - 2014-04-30 3:27 PM
Rope-N-Run - 2014-04-30 1:13 PM
barrelracinbroke - 2014-05-01 12:33 PM Yes I have had this issue. About 12 years ago. Chronic back soreness in the lumbar area as well as the SI area. The horse had a very slight "bullnose" type of look in one hind foot with low heels. One more than the other. Luckily, a good vet noticed it and x-rayed the hind feet which found a Negative Palmar Angle. It was fixed over a period of time with proper shoeing angles, which temporarily included a wedge pad on the hind end. Back soreness was alleviated.



 
Thanks. My farrier was actually the one who noticed she was stiffer on her right hind, I had thought something was off but couldn't quit pin point what is was. I had also noticed that she didn't like to pick up her right lead in the hind and carried her tail off to the left. We started keeping a closer eye on long her hinds got and have been doing all 4 feet every 3-4 weeks - used to do fronts every 3 and hinds 5-6 - this has helped some but we were talking and thought it might be good to take her in and get her x-rayed. Idk just thinking about the anatomy of how the hind leg works I could see how a NPA could cause soreness there but was curious if anyone else had experience. Thanks again. How long did your horse have a wedge?
That was quite a few years ago, so hard to remember how long he had the wedges on. If I had to guess I think only for about 6 weeks. I know it wasn't long. I had changed farriers at that point as well and with proper trims and setting the shoe back he got him out of the wedges fast. And you're absolutely RIGHT that hind feet not being balanced properly can affect that area. Along with many other areas. Absolutely!

I wanted to add that this horse also ended up tearing the ligament on the right side of his SI joint when he fell at the second barrel on bad ground. It wasn't related to this at all. They were a couple of years apart. But, that's was a whole other issue!

 
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