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  A Lady with Fight
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Location: NC | NJJ - 2014-05-03 5:26 PM
Hollywood's Fan - 2014-05-03 4:08 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-04 2:09 PM Hollywood's Fan - 2014-05-03 2:52 PM You know when I read the title of this post I thought to myself "So what else is new?" Mold in omolene is pretty common actually. IMO this feed is junk. Who knows what the quality of grain is (I am betting it is poor) because they cover it all up in a ton of molasses. Horses don't need the sugar. I buy whole grain and mix my own. With that I feed Dynamite minerals.  I can better control the quality of grain when I can actually SEE the grain. That junk feed sure makes my mare look great and she sure runs nice. Â
Ok. I have to say something.
Just because straight oats worked "back in your day", doesn't mean it was perfect. Horses are not the same animals they were back then. We have come a LOOOONG way in education and scientific research. Why would we stick with an archaic way of doing things if we have discovered much better ways or much better things to feed our animals?
We learned that oats are not balanced enough on their own, and are very high in starch, so moderation is best when it comes to most cereal grains. Most people that feed plain oats today also feed a vitamin/mineral along with them. Because research showed that it was needed in order to balance the diet.
They used to use animal protein byproducts in feeds. It worked at the time, so why change it? Pellets used to be just anything, no real idea of what exactly they put in the things. Now everything is regulated and looked after a whole lot more than it ever has been. (Some better than others)
Purina is one of the oldest feed companies. Which I think makes them behind the power curve. Other younger companies have came out with far better choices in feed. Better ingredients, better formulas, better prices. Purina needs to step up to the plate. Nutrena used to be on my bad list, but they've made a lot of changes in the past few years. A LOT. New formulas. Adding the NSC content right to their tags. Upping their game to be more competitive with companies like ADM, Triple Crown, Buckeye, Seminole, etc.
I read the tags of the Purina feeds when I myself worked at TSC. I wasn't impressed. This is my personal opinion. You can call my "internet education" wrong all you want, it still does not negate the fact that Purina is behind the power curve and will be until they catch up to the quality in the other companies.
For other animals, they might be leaders. But Purina still isn't top of the list for quality when it comes to equines. This is my informed opinion of the company. Which I'm entitled to. Just like you are entitled to support them, I'm allowed to say they're junk. Goes both ways.
And all those visits to feed labs and mills were through my animal science classes &/or internships. So I have more than just an 'internet education'. But you'll probably find a way to make my college education pointless too, so I'll just keep it to myself.
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A Lady with Fight
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Location: NC | I think the OP has done her own research and learned on her own about the quality of Purina. :) | |
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Hlynn, are you familiar with Dr. Gary Potter's work in equine nutrition?
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | JustJokin - 2014-05-03 9:49 PM Oh oh, Google must not be working for her
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Location: Washington | Hate the fact that some found and have had issues with a feed company. But unless you choose to follow your feed from start(the area, and seed crop) to finish (processed) this conversation is bull. This goes for humans too. lol | |
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My Heelers are Heroes
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| I wonder why Omelene 200 is the #1 seller on race tracks? I have a barn full of old horses and feed the SR. I don't have a selection of brands in my area. Our area feed stores often run out and it can be a week or longer. Purina I can usually find even if I have to go to another near by town. | |
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Location: relocated to Texas | NJJ - 2014-05-04 3:26 PM Hollywood's Fan - 2014-05-03 4:08 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-04 2:09 PM Hollywood's Fan - 2014-05-03 2:52 PM You know when I read the title of this post I thought to myself "So what else is new?" Mold in omolene is pretty common actually. IMO this feed is junk. Who knows what the quality of grain is (I am betting it is poor) because they cover it all up in a ton of molasses. Horses don't need the sugar. I buy whole grain and mix my own. With that I feed Dynamite minerals. I can better control the quality of grain when I can actually SEE the grain. That junk feed sure makes my mare look great and she sure runs nice.
I am not trying to say that Purina is the only company that puts out what I consider a crap feed. This thread was about Omolene 200 and I was commenting on that.
As far as where that grain went, I can only tell you what my friend told me. She said she would never feed a pelleted or a processed feed because several of these companies buy the lower quality grains (dusty,moldy, etc.) and she was sure they used it in some of those feeds. Makes sense to me to mix my own whole grains (oats, barley & corn) as I can see if the grain is free of mold, dust or bugs, and then feed Dynamite which is an excellent mineral supplement. Been doing this for probably 14 years on my own horses and training horses.
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Location: relocated to Texas | cinch - 2014-05-04 9:57 PM I wonder why Omelene 200 is the #1 seller on race tracks? I have a barn full of old horses and feed the SR. I don't have a selection of brands in my area. Our area feed stores often run out and it can be a week or longer. Purina I can usually find even if I have to go to another near by town.
Where did this infomation come from? Not arguing, just curious as I have never heard this before.
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Location: LaCygne, KS | I usually avoid commenting on the threads that turn to 'bashing", but since this one hasn't died after several days, i think I wll wade in.
Hlynn, if nothing else, you are predictiable. Any one that has ever tuned into "How the Barrel Horse World Turns" can predict that you are going to blow a gasket telling us your opionion (repeatedly) if someone asks a question about Purina. I note on your profile page that you have 2270 some posts. Probably the majority of them were informing us about the evils of Purina. But you don't have a real name on there (or the name of the high school that you studied Biology and had your 'animal science' class) . Or was it JuCo credit while you studied feed tags at TSC.
I and my family before me have fed Purina feed for at least 65 years to four species of livestock. If they still gave a checkerboard commerative knife every time a customer bought a 100 ton, we would have a drawer full. I will continue to feed their equine feed because I have confidence that (a) it is researched by honest, educated nutritionists that have PhD's behind their names, (b) Safety-my feed is manufactured in a plant that is Ionophore free and that every incoming load of ingrediants coming into the plant is tested for Aflatoxins with state of the art testing equiptment, (c) The Purina dealers and reps in my area support 4-H, rodeo, county fairs, all equine events more than all the other feed companies combined. (d) Oh ya, and my horses do good on it.
I had more than a few chemistry and animal nutrition classes in college (yes, I have a B.S. and Masters degree from Kansas State University ). But when I have a nutrition question on my horses, I consult my area Purina rep or one of the Purina nutritionists as they are not "Behind the Curve". Conversly, IMO, Purina has set the standard in introducing new, researched horse feed in the last 25 years.
Hlynn, obviously you are welcome to your opinions and can feed whatever. I will do the same. But, after I sat silent for several years. I am throwing the bull**** flag on you and may from time to time call you out. I own zero stock in Purina. However, I consider many of the folks associated Purina as trustworthy, honest, knowledgeable friends. Keep it above the board and factual if you pick on my friends.
John Teagarden (my name and address are in my profile)
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Location: Midwest | Prehistoric - 2014-05-03 11:48 PM I usually avoid commenting on the threads that turn to 'bashing", but since this one hasn't died after several days, i think I wll wade in.
Hlynn, if nothing else, you are predictiable. Any one that has ever tuned into "How the Barrel Horse World Turns" can predict that you are going to blow a gasket telling us your opionion (repeatedly) if someone asks a question about Purina. I note on your profile page that you have 2270 some posts. Probably the majority of them were informing us about the evils of Purina. But you don't have a real name on there (or the name of the high school that you studied Biology and had your 'animal science' class) . Or was it JuCo credit while you studied feed tags at TSC.
I and my family before me have fed Purina feed for at least 65 years to four species of livestock. If they still gave a checkerboard commerative knife every time a customer bought a 100 ton, we would have a drawer full. I will continue to feed their equine feed because I have confidence that (a) it is researched by honest, educated nutritionists that have PhD's behind their names, (b) Safety-my feed is manufactured in a plant that is Ionophore free and that every incoming load of ingrediants coming into the plant is tested for Aflatoxins with state of the art testing equiptment, (c) The Purina dealers and reps in my area support 4-H, rodeo, county fairs, all equine events more than all the other feed companies combined. (d) Oh ya, and my horses do good on it.
I had more than a few chemistry and animal nutrition classes in college (yes, I have a B.S. and Masters degree from Kansas State University ). But when I have a nutrition question on my horses, I consult my area Purina rep or one of the Purina nutritionists as they are not "Behind the Curve". Conversly, IMO, Purina has set the standard in introducing new, researched horse feed in the last 25 years.
Hlynn, obviously you are welcome to your opinions and can feed whatever. I will do the same. But, after I sat silent for several years. I am throwing the bull**** flag on you and may from time to time call you out. I own zero stock in Purina. However, I consider many of the folks associated Purina as trustworthy, honest, knowledgeable friends. Keep it above the board and factual if you pick on my friends.
John Teagarden (my name and address are in my profile)
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| I decided to try and be tactful last night and I hope I am still tactful. However, I have not only tremendous respect for Purina as a company, I often shake my head at the myths people believe concerning feeds. Unlike Prehistoric, I didn't hang around and get my Master's. I did however when I was pregnant with my son take graduate classes to pass the time while waiting on hubby to finish his last semester. One of them was a wonderful graduate equine nutrition class. Previously as an undergrad, I worked with grad students who were working under this professor in order to grab some credit hours. I got credits for feeding and exercising horses on a high fat diet......sounded like a good deal to me. Of course they were donated horses that were a little psycho, but I was younger then and didn't care.
Here's the deal. Fixed formula feeds are probably some better, but a body can't really tell if a calorie comes from sorghum or corn in a pelleted feed. For a horse without ulcers or other metabolic issues, a good least cost ration formulation can be great. I won tons of money feeding Omolene to a horse. When he crow hopped a little warming up, I was going to win $$$$. Bender did better on Strategy. Since I currently have one with ulcer issues and one that ties up, Renew Gold is probably going to be my go to feed for a while. I never regulated my kids sugar intake, but I kept them busy. They never acted stupid if they had a candy bar and a coke. Son ate pop tarts and had a Big Red for breakfast most of his life. He's not fat, and he managed to turn in to a productive member of society. Point here, feed according to the use of the horse and take into consideration any issues the horse may have.
I'll feed my horses as individuals and use what I learned from Dr. Potter years ago as well as study new RESEARCH by accredited people.
He let the way and many have built on that. The research project I worked on, feeding fat to horses. Nobody had done it yet. I'm thankful he started us on this path even if at the time, it was corn oil. New reseach has taught us about what kinds of fats are best. Isn't that great? | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Prehistoric - 2014-05-03 11:48 PM I usually avoid commenting on the threads that turn to 'bashing", but since this one hasn't died after several days, i think I wll wade in.
Hlynn, if nothing else, you are predictiable. Any one that has ever tuned into "How the Barrel Horse World Turns" can predict that you are going to blow a gasket telling us your opionion (repeatedly) if someone asks a question about Purina. I note on your profile page that you have 2270 some posts. Probably the majority of them were informing us about the evils of Purina. But you don't have a real name on there (or the name of the high school that you studied Biology and had your 'animal science' class) . Or was it JuCo credit while you studied feed tags at TSC.
I and my family before me have fed Purina feed for at least 65 years to four species of livestock. If they still gave a checkerboard commerative knife every time a customer bought a 100 ton, we would have a drawer full. I will continue to feed their equine feed because I have confidence that (a) it is researched by honest, educated nutritionists that have PhD's behind their names, (b) Safety-my feed is manufactured in a plant that is Ionophore free and that every incoming load of ingrediants coming into the plant is tested for Aflatoxins with state of the art testing equiptment, (c) The Purina dealers and reps in my area support 4-H, rodeo, county fairs, all equine events more than all the other feed companies combined. (d) Oh ya, and my horses do good on it.
I had more than a few chemistry and animal nutrition classes in college (yes, I have a B.S. and Masters degree from Kansas State University ). But when I have a nutrition question on my horses, I consult my area Purina rep or one of the Purina nutritionists as they are not "Behind the Curve". Conversly, IMO, Purina has set the standard in introducing new, researched horse feed in the last 25 years.
Hlynn, obviously you are welcome to your opinions and can feed whatever. I will do the same. But, after I sat silent for several years. I am throwing the bull**** flag on you and may from time to time call you out. I own zero stock in Purina. However, I consider many of the folks associated Purina as trustworthy, honest, knowledgeable friends. Keep it above the board and factual if you pick on my friends.
John Teagarden (my name and address are in my profile)
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Location: Washington | Prehistoric - 2014-05-03 9:48 PM I usually avoid commenting on the threads that turn to 'bashing", but since this one hasn't died after several days, i think I wll wade in.
Hlynn, if nothing else, you are predictiable. Any one that has ever tuned into "How the Barrel Horse World Turns" can predict that you are going to blow a gasket telling us your opionion (repeatedly) if someone asks a question about Purina. I note on your profile page that you have 2270 some posts. Probably the majority of them were informing us about the evils of Purina. But you don't have a real name on there (or the name of the high school that you studied Biology and had your 'animal science' class) . Or was it JuCo credit while you studied feed tags at TSC.
I and my family before me have fed Purina feed for at least 65 years to four species of livestock. If they still gave a checkerboard commerative knife every time a customer bought a 100 ton, we would have a drawer full. I will continue to feed their equine feed because I have confidence that (a) it is researched by honest, educated nutritionists that have PhD's behind their names, (b) Safety-my feed is manufactured in a plant that is Ionophore free and that every incoming load of ingrediants coming into the plant is tested for Aflatoxins with state of the art testing equiptment, (c) The Purina dealers and reps in my area support 4-H, rodeo, county fairs, all equine events more than all the other feed companies combined. (d) Oh ya, and my horses do good on it.
I had more than a few chemistry and animal nutrition classes in college (yes, I have a B.S. and Masters degree from Kansas State University ). But when I have a nutrition question on my horses, I consult my area Purina rep or one of the Purina nutritionists as they are not "Behind the Curve". Conversly, IMO, Purina has set the standard in introducing new, researched horse feed in the last 25 years.
Hlynn, obviously you are welcome to your opinions and can feed whatever. I will do the same. But, after I sat silent for several years. I am throwing the bull**** flag on you and may from time to time call you out. I own zero stock in Purina. However, I consider many of the folks associated Purina as trustworthy, honest, knowledgeable friends. Keep it above the board and factual if you pick on my friends.
John Teagarden (my name and address are in my profile)
BRAVO. 
I get so tired of the Purina bashing here. I have been feeding their products forever. We use the Strategy and we used Senior.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I don't know why but I haven't been that interested in equine nutrition.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Oh heck I have been feeding Purina Products for many moons too, never had a problem. The only reason I can see it going bad is because its been sitting to long. I have used other companys and got bad feed I just take it back, but I dont bash them and wont name them either. It can happen with any feed. I'm not feeding Purina feed to my horses now, I have a feed mill not to far from me that I have been using for years, but still use their other products. | |
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