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Just Bring It
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2014-05-12 3:39 PM
Subject: Stifles



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 I have a mare with a loose stifle. Her left one seems fine but her right one is very loose. She has never locked to the point where her leg stiffens straight out that I have seen but it is very noticeably loose and catches when moving especially in a circle. She bunny hops when she lopes to the right. Is it ok to lunge her in a large circle like walking while she lunges around me so I can keep her in as big of a circle as possible.  I know straight lines is best but would a large controlled circle be that bad? I have the perfect little slope in our yard that works out perfectly to trot her up and down. Also if I have one stifle blistered (internally or externally) should I do them both? I have been considering trying the green palmolive blister on her but I just don't know if it will help her much. I think an internal blister would be a better option for her. I also HATE that she has this issue because she is such a baby when it comes to the weather and this spring has been so nasty...cold, windy, rainy, etc and she should be on turnout 24/7 with her stifle but all she does is stand all tucked up and shivering in the pasture so I can't see how that is any better for her.  I wish there was someway to keep a stifle tight in a stall! I need like a vibrating wrap for the stifles...lol. Maybe I should invent something!?! lol I do apply Sore No More clay almost daily. 

How do you rodeo on a horse with stifle issues when they have to be trailered and stalled all the time? I suppose find as much time as possible to keep the horse moving.

I am so tired of stifle issues! 
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Three 4 Luck
Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2014-05-12 4:03 PM
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 Most vets will do both sides even if only one is showing symptoms. I've actually had even better results from PRP than from a blister. When rehabbing, I have been told to do lots of walking and loping in the beginning because trotting is harder on stifles.  No circles of any kind until your fitness is where you want it, and anything that makes them work the muscles around the stifle without torquing it is a good thing, just use common sense and build up to it. Hills, ground poles then cavaletti. Pulling a tire or log is supposed to be good as well but I've never done it.  While turnout is ideal, being stalled isn't terrible as long as you're riding every day. 
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Just Bring It
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2014-05-12 4:10 PM
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Three 4 Luck - 2014-05-12 4:03 PM  Most vets will do both sides even if only one is showing symptoms. I've actually had even better results from PRP than from a blister. When rehabbing, I have been told to do lots of walking and loping in the beginning because trotting is harder on stifles.  No circles of any kind until your fitness is where you want it, and anything that makes them work the muscles around the stifle without torquing it is a good thing, just use common sense and build up to it. Hills, ground poles then cavaletti. Pulling a tire or log is supposed to be good as well but I've never done it.  While turnout is ideal, being stalled isn't terrible as long as you're riding every day. 

Everything I have read has said to stay away from loping for awhile and to do lots of walking and trotting to help build strength. Like I said she can hardly lope in the right lead (bunny hops in the hind). I have done a little bit of ground poles and some hill work.

Would shoes on the back help any? I like to keep my horses barefoot as much as possible but she is such a baby and needs front shoes. I read on another forum that someone said what really helped her horse was when she shod his back feet. She said that made a huge difference. Any other experience with this??
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Three 4 Luck
Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2014-05-12 4:16 PM
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I pulled my horse's back shoes for a few months so he could travel as naturally as possible but had to put them back on because his feet were wearing too much and staying sore. His stifle injury was caused by his shoeing tho. One farrier put rims on him, made him sore, and the next one put trailers on his back feet and finished him off.
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CBGalaxy
Reg. Sep 2012
Posted 2014-05-12 4:21 PM
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I second everything the above poster said! My mare had some issues with her stifle as well, or intermittent upper fixation of the patella.

This is what I did to get rid of the issue:

Turn out only, no stalling. It doesn't have to be acres and acres. I have a sand arena.

Regular riding schedule. Don't let them get out of shape or stand around too long. Especially if they are in a stall.

GAIN WEIGHT - I had to double her hay and add Total Equine to get her to where she should be. I had her on Platinum CJ which is great for the joint and inflammation, but she needed more feed. She looked "racy" from the day I bought her, but now she finally looks like a quarter horse. I also had her boarded for the first year where she sat in a stall unless I was there. They fed, and I had no control over the amount of hay she got. BAD COMBO. Now she is turned out and WAY bigger. I wasn't sure that she could actually look like she does now. I don't know why the vets didn't stress this more. When you research it you will find a lot more on being the correct healthy weight though.

CHECK YOUR HOOVES. I took the shoes off and went straight barefoot with a knowledgeable trimmer. She had high heels, boarding on white line, and was tender footed. When you start learning about how hooves work and what shoes do to them it all made sense. She has badass rock crushers now and races barefoot no problem. This also seemed to make a big difference in her movement. I was not using a cheap backyard farrier either!

Trail rides, trotting over poles, going in straight lines.

NO little circles/lunging/round pen/roll backs until things get better

They should be filled out over the stifle area. If it looks concave your horse needs more weight/muscle and that will help A LOT. The more that it catches the more you should be concerned about inflammation. Addressing that is very important too.

It took me a while but my mare is good and back to running! No surgery, blistering etc. Your worst enemy is a stall, no exercise and being underweight. Good luck! I know it is frustrating!
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CBGalaxy
Reg. Sep 2012
Posted 2014-05-12 4:26 PM
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I just wanted to add that I wouldn't have shoes just on the front. Either do all four so they are balanced or not at all. That can cause more unbalanced movement and more issues. If your horse is sore after a trim make sure your farrier is not taking any live tissue. Leave the frog and calluses alone. Boots are great to help with the transition if you think you absolutely must have something. Once I got my horses turned out they were not foot sore anymore. It was only when they were standing in a stall and not moving like they should. I'd recommend having a barefoot trimmer out to consult with vs. a regular farrier.
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WYOTurn-n-Burn
Reg. Sep 2004
Posted 2014-05-12 4:30 PM
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Just Bring It - 2014-05-12 4:10 PM
Three 4 Luck - 2014-05-12 4:03 PM  Most vets will do both sides even if only one is showing symptoms. I've actually had even better results from PRP than from a blister. When rehabbing, I have been told to do lots of walking and loping in the beginning because trotting is harder on stifles.  No circles of any kind until your fitness is where you want it, and anything that makes them work the muscles around the stifle without torquing it is a good thing, just use common sense and build up to it. Hills, ground poles then cavaletti. Pulling a tire or log is supposed to be good as well but I've never done it.  While turnout is ideal, being stalled isn't terrible as long as you're riding every day. 
Everything I have read has said to stay away from loping for awhile and to do lots of walking and trotting to help build strength. Like I said she can hardly lope in the right lead (bunny hops in the hind). I have done a little bit of ground poles and some hill work.



Would shoes on the back help any? I like to keep my horses barefoot as much as possible but she is such a baby and needs front shoes. I read on another forum that someone said what really helped her horse was when she shod his back feet. She said that made a huge difference. Any other experience with this??

I can't put shoes on the hind of my gelding that has stifle issues because they have way too much grab. I keep him barefoot and trimmed fairly short.
Lots of exercise and I keep him injected as well. I can usually get about two weeks of long trotting in during the spring before we have to head to the vet to inject.
Stifles issues do suck!!
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Just Bring It
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2014-05-12 4:40 PM
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CBGalaxy - 2014-05-12 4:26 PM I just wanted to add that I wouldn't have shoes just on the front. Either do all four so they are balanced or not at all. That can cause more unbalanced movement and more issues. If your horse is sore after a trim make sure your farrier is not taking any live tissue. Leave the frog and calluses alone. Boots are great to help with the transition if you think you absolutely must have something. Once I got my horses turned out they were not foot sore anymore. It was only when they were standing in a stall and not moving like they should. I'd recommend having a barefoot trimmer out to consult with vs. a regular farrier.
I take her shoes off in the winter and she is horrible and HATES being barefoot. She is just as bad the moment the shoes come off until they get put back on 3 months later. Her feet look really good and I tried a new farrier last week and I love how he shod her. Just regular alluminum in front and really shod her nice to give her a nice foot. She has fairly small feet but the way he set her they look amazing and he left room for her foot to spread. I really like what he did. I was using a very good farrier before but I was getting a little fed up with how quickly he was going through horses like an assembly line. This new guy really looks at each horse as a whole and takes his time studying each horses individual needs. 

She was on the track as a 2yr old so I'm sure was shod at a young age and I think she is just really use to having shoes so the feeling of being barefoot really bothers her. So then she puts extra weight on her hind end and she has some other hind end issues (SI) so she really becomes a mess. So yes I will continue to shoe her because it is not worth it. She is more comfortable with shoes and overall happier. 

I like to stay away from shoes when possible but with this one I will stick to shoes just to keep her happy and not so depressed and miserable. I honestly have never seen a horse love her shoes so much....lol. She is a diva I guess. 


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Just Bring It
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2014-05-12 4:47 PM
Subject: RE: Stifles



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CBGalaxy - 2014-05-12 4:21 PM I second everything the above poster said! My mare had some issues with her stifle as well, or intermittent upper fixation of the patella. This is what I did to get rid of the issue: Turn out only, no stalling. It doesn't have to be acres and acres. I have a sand arena. Regular riding schedule. Don't let them get out of shape or stand around too long. Especially if they are in a stall. GAIN WEIGHT - I had to double her hay and add Total Equine to get her to where she should be. I had her on Platinum CJ which is great for the joint and inflammation, but she needed more feed. She looked "racy" from the day I bought her, but now she finally looks like a quarter horse. I also had her boarded for the first year where she sat in a stall unless I was there. They fed, and I had no control over the amount of hay she got. BAD COMBO. Now she is turned out and WAY bigger. I wasn't sure that she could actually look like she does now. I don't know why the vets didn't stress this more. When you research it you will find a lot more on being the correct healthy weight though. CHECK YOUR HOOVES. I took the shoes off and went straight barefoot with a knowledgeable trimmer. She had high heels, boarding on white line, and was tender footed. When you start learning about how hooves work and what shoes do to them it all made sense. She has badass rock crushers now and races barefoot no problem. This also seemed to make a big difference in her movement. I was not using a cheap backyard farrier either! Trail rides, trotting over poles, going in straight lines. NO little circles/lunging/round pen/roll backs until things get better They should be filled out over the stifle area. If it looks concave your horse needs more weight/muscle and that will help A LOT. The more that it catches the more you should be concerned about inflammation. Addressing that is very important too. It took me a while but my mare is good and back to running! No surgery, blistering etc. Your worst enemy is a stall, no exercise and being underweight. Good luck! I know it is frustrating!

She is also very racey looking and has always been. I did get quite a bit of weight on her by last fall and she was doing really well and feeling her best. Then when this spring came she dropped a bit of weight and is very racey again. I am pumping the feed to her and I just got a 60% fat flax supplement in the mail today that I will be adding.  

It is so hard to have stifle issues when you have winters like we do in ND! There is just no way to not give them time off unless you have an indoor arena when it is 20 below zero with ice and snow everywhere. She is turned out constantly unless she is visibly shivering like crazy then I cave and bring her in for the night. I had her in great shape and doing well and then of course winter came, I pulled the shoes, and she got time off. She came out of winter so sore! Once I got her reshod and started ponying her she came around very very quickly and once I started riding her she was doing good but now she went downhill a little. Not near as bad because she is sound at a walk and trot but at a lope she is visibly uncomfortable especially to the right. The weather this spring is not helping any since every other day is 40 degrees with 20mph winds and rain. Just can't catch a break! I have a small indoor roundpen but I can't even work her in there since she shouldn't be doing circles. So on these rainy days I have been taking her out on the ground and "lunging" her....mostly just sending her while I walk a large circle to keep her moving but as big of an area as possible.  
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Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2014-05-12 5:00 PM
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The pasture she is in is pretty much a slight hill so she has to walk up and down from the barn (top) to the water tank (bottom). So she is getting exercise daily. Plus it is a big step up to get in the barn. 
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