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Location: Ohio | Just ran down the barn for afternoon chores, looked in my alley way and my colt had peed a bloody puddle... no clots but it was very red (not brown or orange). Even threw a paper towel on it to be sure and it was def. red/pink in color. Checked all vitals and everything was normal. His gums are slightly darker closer to his teeth fading into normal pink. Did a 2 sec digital check on them and color came back fine. Eating fine, not depressed acting, sheath is clean w/ no bean... Horse has had the week off and is on 90% pasture with just enough feed to mask supplements. Can't really judge his water intake where he is turned out but he didn't seem dehydrated with the gum and pinch test. Vet wont be able to make it out until tomorrow afternoon. Any ideas as to what is going on? I know I have seen thread on this in the past but couldn't get any to come up. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Bladder infection, bladder stone or Kidney stone...I'm a non expert on the latter of the two. |
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Location: Florida.. | any new supplements? that may make it red.. is he fed a high protein diet
could be kidney stones..
id call vet to be safe.. |
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Location: Ohio | No new supplements. I started him on Ulc-R-Aid about 3 months ago when I started him under saddle and he gets Winning Touch Grass Hay Min-A-Vite when on pasture 24/7. I stalled him up and gave him 2 water buckets, one with electrolytes and one without. He seems to be drinking from both at a good rate. I thought about drawing blood first thing tomorrow morning and running it in to have a cbc done to rule out infection. If that comes back fine the vet will be there at 2pm. Just worry's me... I have never seen this happen in person! I couldn't believe what I was seeing when I first saw it... he peed on a black stall mat so it made it look even darker at first., I threw a paper towel on it to see the real color and it looking like red cool aid. No orange tinge whatsoever...
Edited by GrittyCowgirl 2014-06-04 8:54 PM
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Location: Lost in the swamps | I had an older gelding with bladder crystals from too much protein in his diet. He was on eq sr, alfala, and suppliments. Way too much for a pasture ornament. Vet thought it was blister beetle poisoning , but he was on chopped dryed us alfalfa. Eventually did research and it was caused by The over load of protien causing the crystals that were scratch his urethra upon exiting his bladder when he urinated, round of meds and off the alfalfa and it clerked up, obviously have them do a urinalysis as well and allow the urine to sit for a bit and have him toss it under a microscope for crystals. If nothing turns up he might need a cysitscope. For stones :/ |
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| Check ck, bun, and urea, in addition to k+, ca2+
It could be myoglobinuria, or myoglobin induced neuropathy
"High concentrations of myoglobin result in dark brown discolouration of the urine" pg 744 Robinson, (2003) current therapy in equine medicine 5th Ed.
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Location: Ohio | Good to know! My guys don't get alfalfa and their feed is only 10% - 12% protein, however, I have never had my pasture tested. Could that cause it? I also read somewhere that Johnsongrass is toxic and can cause this (along with bladder paralysis that causes dribbling or bloody urine and may progress to paralysis of the hind limbs) although he hasn;t been dribbling. It grows everywhere in our area although I have never seen it in my pasture. Neighbors have it in their hay fields though and bale it for cattle.
imturnin3 Did your horse have any other symptoms? |
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Location: Ohio | cheryl makofka - 2014-06-03 10:32 PM
Check ck, bun, and urea, in addition to k+, ca2+
It could be myoglobinuria, or myoglobin induced neuropathy
"High concentrations of myoglobin result in dark brown discolouration of the urine" pg 744 Robinson, (2003) current therapy in equine medicine 5th Ed.
Thank you... I will look into this. The thing that gets me is there was no dark brown about it, it literally looked like red cool aid. I've never seen anything like it.  Dumb me cleaned it right up instead of letting it set to see it if darkened or getting a sample. It literally looked like the first one in this pic, a little more watered down though. http://www.vetnext.com/images/z/73068382815%20448.gif |
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Location: Texas | if you got a sample from what he urinated you couldn't culture it anyway, it would be too contaminated.
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Location: Ohio | Just went down and checked on him... temp was 101 but he usually runs 99.9-100. Gums are also pinker than what I would like. Needless to say Im not going to get much sleep tonight... |
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Location: Ohio | Just run blood work. He definitely has an infection so we are starting antibiotics for a bladder infection. No high temp this morning but he did have a few urine spots that had a red tint in his stall. Not as bad as yesterday though. Drank plenty of water overnight so fingers crossed the meds kick this thing in the butt. Vet went over his feeding regimen and said there is nothing to raise a red flag with him so that put my mind at ease. Thanks everyone for all the advice! 
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Location: Midwest | I'm glad you got it figured out! I'm sure he will bounce back fast. Good for you for being vigilant and noticing the pee color.  |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | Did they check for red maple poisoning just to rule that out? It can take a few days to see the full effects but it starts by red urine. |
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Location: Ohio | Fairweather - 2014-06-04 2:36 PM
Did they check for red maple poisoning just to rule that out? It can take a few days to see the full effects but it starts by red urine.
No maples in the pasture but there are some on the farm, not sure how he would have gotten to them. Also not showing any signs of jaundice like coloring in eyes or gums. Never would have thought of that though... I will keep checking to make sure that's not the case. Thank you! |
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Location: Montana | Just curious if when he pees it is on shavings? |
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| You might want to inquire about urine acidifier, I had a yearling come down with a kidney infection, he was put onto ammonium po daily for a month after antibiotics to reduce the risk of a reoccurring bladder infection.
I also had the sheath cleaned found a sebacious cyst that we lanced and drained.
He is 3 now and hasn't had any symptoms since |
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Location: Ohio | 3drums - 2014-06-04 8:04 PM
Just curious if when he pees it is on shavings?
When I first saw it he had peed on a clean stall mat in my grooming area. This morning when I cleaned stalls I could tell some areas of wet pine shavings had the same color urine as the day before but not as much along with some regular wet spots. He hates being stalled for long periods of time so I moved my round pen panels to a grassy area and have him in there to keep the stress down tonight. Will stall during the day tomorrow and check bedding every so often to see if there are any changes.
Edited to add: If you meant if I had found any blood clots on the shavings or really dark spots like fresh blood the answere is no. Everything I found was watered down and almost looked pink on the light colored shavings. Hope that helped...
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Location: Ohio | cheryl makofka - 2014-06-04 10:01 PM
You might want to inquire about urine acidifier, I had a yearling come down with a kidney infection, he was put onto ammonium po daily for a month after antibiotics to reduce the risk of a reoccurring bladder infection.
I also had the sheath cleaned found a sebacious cyst that we lanced and drained.
He is 3 now and hasn't had any symptoms since
My vet mentioned putting him on an acidifier when he comes off antibiotics but we got interrupted and I forgot to ask more about it so I have been researching it. Everything felt normal when I cleaned his sheath yesterday, I'm assuming a cyst would be easy to feel? Like a raised area that is harder than normal? I've cleaned a lot of sheaths in my day and hope I wouldn't miss anything like that but I have never found a cyst before...
I also just found this and wondered if I am not supplementing my horses pasture enough or if this article just meant hay?
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/136/7/2048S.full |
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