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Location: USA | A bay TB mare who has Secretariat, Bold Ruler, Storm Cat and Native dancer In her bloodline? I'm looking at this TB mare to buy and she has a really good pedigree (top and bottom) and she's a consistent 4D barrel horse, always getting checks for the Open 4D against 20-25 riders at the local jackpots. And she's just loping the pattern she's around 16.2 or 16.3 and currently being hauled. Do you think that this mare would be worth getting? Or just save a little more and buy a QH already running barrels? |
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  Texas Lone Star
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Location: where ever my L/Q trl is parked | I think it depends on what you want. Will you be okay with 4d times or do you want run in the 1d?
I purchased a mare years ago that wasn't seasoned but well trained. She had Seattle Slew, DFC, Jet Deck, Robin Reed all 3 gen back on her papers. I would say she was bred to run, I owned her for 9 years. She was honest as all get out, hit maybe 6 barrels in those 9 years. She was a solid 3d mare with a few 2d times, but not fast enough to place in the 2d. When I bought her I figured with her background breeding once she was really going she would easily hit the 2d if not 1d placing easy, never happened.  So just because the breeding is there doesn't mean it's going to happen. |
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| Depends on how she felt riding, age, and if there was truly room to improve a couple seconds.
However in not the one to ask, im always teased .... whats joys favorite color "the color horse of course"..... what's joys favorite bloodline "equine" ... what's joys favriote build. "Four legs and one head". And thats a lie id give a two headed horse a home too. LoL
Soooooo my answers generaly buy the horse.
But it really depends on your goals, what you want and this mares true ability. |
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 The Color Specialist
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | No. |
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 Not Afraid to Work
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| I personally have seen very few TB that are competitive as in 1d/2d. Running 4d at pretty small jackpots means shes likely 5d or so at a bigger race. Now if you are okay with that type of speed then go ahead if the price is right and you like the way she rides.
I run a 16.2 appendix and so the height wouldnt deter me at all because he can get down with the best of them.
All really in what you're looking for, what your goals are and where you wanna end up. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | How old is she? |
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| I wouldn't buy based on the fact she has Bold Ruler, Secretariat or Native Dancer, etc. I can name ten thoroughbreds off the top of my head that my friends have owned who all had at least two of those horses in their pedigree. If they're up close, that's a different story but if they're further back in her bloodline (which I'm guessing they are) then it shouldn't factor in a whole lot. |
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 Own It and Move On
Location: The edge of no where | I love thoroughbreds, but go watch a race......they don't have quick speed. They're bred to go a distance. If you like the horse and are good with 3d times on the best day, then buy the horse. |
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 A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Why not, if you like the horse and like the way she runs, sounds like she would be fun I say go for it, we all dont have to have 1D horses  |
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Location: USA | She's 5 years old this year and has had professional training and great on trails and with kids. She's got the speed and got good conformation and I wasn't really planning on winning 1D with her if I got her, but a 4D horse would be fine with me. My main goal would be to breed her to a race-bred QH stud. And possibly make her a lesson horse for the kids. But I think she'd make a pretty solid 3D-4D horse. |
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | Why would you buy her for a broodmare? (Not being snarky just wondering, as there a lot of proven broodmares or broodies with great lines for sale right now for good prices).
Edited by barrelracr131 2014-09-01 11:16 AM
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 I'm Cooler Offline
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Location: Pacific Northwest | She isn't something that I personally would buy just based off that description, but if you like the horse, buy her. Although I will say, people get a little too "starstruck" at seeing Secretariat on papers...he wasn't much of a producer even in the TB world, but he ended up being a great broodmare sire, so in terms of breeding that's usually what people look for. Storm Cat was known for producing not-great temperaments in his babies lol They were successful but either mean or just generally extremely quirky.
Thoroughbreds can be barrel horses, I know a 1D TB mare that runs up here, but they aren't really bred to sprint, they're bred for distance. But without actually seeing this mare run, I can't say if she's something I'd be interested in buying. |
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The Color Specialist
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | Not only was Storm Cat known for producing "undesirable" dispositions, but also crooked legs. |
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 Night Chatter
Posts: 1907
Location: Mississippi | I had an OTTB mare with Secretariat on her papers, too. Really pretty mare, but was built exactly like a QH. No one believed me. She was a cute little hunter, but hated work over fences, so she became a barrel horse-and a pretty great one at that! She could be ridden by anyone, and was super gentle. She ended up being a pretty nice 2D horse.
But, like others said, it really depends on YOU. It sounds like you just want a mare to have fun on and have a nice all-around/multi discipline horse, and she would fit the bill. I don't like them that tall, but a lot of people do! (the one I mentioned was 15.3)
A solid 4D horse is worth their weight in gold-I called my grade horse "Gas Money" because he would always win the 4D. He won over $8,000 in 4D money in five years or so. |
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Location: Deep South | If you like the horse based on the horse herself, as in how she rides, how she runs, and know you'll be happy in the 4D, then I say go for it.
I would not buy this mare based on her papers. People in the barrel racing world are not seeking out these bloodlines. |
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Veteran
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Location: USA | Well this is her Sire: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/forestry I forget her mothers name but I really liked him, His breeding fee is 8K. And she has very straight legs front and back and a good shoulder and hip. She's a little sickle hocked but I don't have a problem with that, Firewater Fiesta was also Sickle hocked and it helps them get under themselves better imo. I'll try uploading a picture of her if it works. And yes, she's built very similar to a QH although she is tall she's very well muscled. |
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 Shipwrecked and Flat Out Zapped
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Our best barrel horse is bred like this.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/thunder+ruler
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Like the rest have said, if you like her and don't expect her to be any better than she currently is, then it completely up to you. You're the one that has to feed her.
Speaking from a breeders standpoint. She may turn out some really good barrel horses, but I know from experience I would have trouble making enough to pay for her upkeep if I could even sell her foals. It would be a long term project to get her proven as a producer of barrel horses (minimum of 5 years through misfortune and injuries probably longer). Even then if you kept the babies and proved they were 1D barrel horses, you would have trouble getting enough to pay for the bother of feeding her and breeding her. Sorry that's just the way it is right now. Prospects have to be well bred and really well taken care of to sell for anywhere close to what it costs to breed and raise them. Incentive funds are a must for people willing to pay anything for a prospect. That all costs money.
Many tears have fallen from the eyes of people thinking they were going to do anything but go in the hole breeding their prize mare. I've passed on a lot of nice mares that were proven 1D barrel horses but didn't have the pedigree people are looking for. It's just a fact of life.  |
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I'm Cooler Offline
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Location: Pacific Northwest | RodeoRider97 - 2014-09-02 11:29 AM
Well this is her Sire: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/forestry I forget her mothers name but I really liked him, His breeding fee is 8K. And she has very straight legs front and back and a good shoulder and hip. She's a little sickle hocked but I don't have a problem with that, Firewater Fiesta was also Sickle hocked and it helps them get under themselves better imo. I'll try uploading a picture of her if it works. And yes, she's built very similar to a QH although she is tall she's very well muscled.
Forestry was Shackleford's sire but that's the only one of his offspring I can think of right now...8k is very cheap for a TB which means he's probably not producing much on the track. But I liked Shackleford as a racehorse, he was a fast sucker.
IMO you need to just forget about her pedigree because in both the TB and QH world it's not really what people are looking for. And if she's only a 4D barrel horse I wouldn't use her as a broodmare and expect her to out-produce herself.
I'm not saying she won't be a nice horse, and depending on her price she could be something worth taking a chance on, I just don't think you're going to get the answer you're looking for on this board. Most of the people on this board in the breeding business take it pretty seriously and wouldn't breed a 4D mare if she didn't have a strong pedigree to back her up. |
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