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oija
Reg. Feb 2012
Posted 2014-10-24 10:53 AM
Subject: Hocks & Futurity plan questions



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Okay, as QH3>er so wisely pointed out in her thread, BHW is awesome when you have questions. I only really started somewhat regularly lurking and posting about three years and a half years ago when I got my first broodmare, though my account is older from when I was in college. You all kept me convinced when my whole family and my husband's family told me to sell my broke necked mare, my own daughter of Shawne Bug, not to. I stuck it out and just sold my first baby out of her by Chasin Firewater for a definite profit (first horse I've ever sold). Now my whole family thinks keeping her was one of the smartest things I've done. The neck threadworms thread was really interesting to me too. I've learned so much about pedigree information, PSSM, worming schedules, feeding plans, and maintenance issues on here. I've always been a life-long student, even now as a teacher, and really appreciate all the knowledge that is linked and shared. The old adage is also true that when you get two horse people in the same room or discussion board as the case may be that there will be three opinions. I learn as much from people I don't agree with as those I do.

So all that being said I'm a planner and trying to do things right with my two year old futurity prospect. She went to the trainer for a total of 120 days this summer. She is now home and gets ridden 3-6 days a week 20-45 minutes depending on how she's feeling, my time, and weather. She's doing awesome. Both trainers mentioned that she was slightly sore in her back end, felt like riding a 'stink bug' one said. She's never been lame at all just slightly sore and a bit more reluctant to the left, especially at the lope or in a small circle. I don't want to push her too hard which is why my plan is to futurity her at 5, not 3 or 4. She will go back to the trainer this spring (around April) to start on the pattern but slowly. I still am looking for more foundation for us. My main concern is her comfort and effective maintenance. When she got home I had her stifles and hocks xrayed and consulted with my trainer and vet. She has a small cyst on the lateral chondyle of the right stifle and some epiphysitis. I have her on rejuvinaide for this and some adequan. She will get adequan again next spring. I also know she is going to need injections, maybe some next year or the year after to keep her comfortable. I've never done these injections. I know you can use steroids, HA, and even do total hock fusion (cheryl is always mentioning this). I would love any information people have about the choices they have made with their futurity prospects on maintenance, what they feel are the best products etc. I've been researching a ton and will always listen to my trainer and vet first, but I thought I would just try to get as much information as possible. What are your maintenance schedules and how might you approach these issues?
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mruggles
Reg. Oct 2008
Posted 2014-10-24 11:34 AM
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honestly id give her a break..............i would go the injections route first and moniter it closely and keep using the adequan.....at least you know what you have so your a step ahead in the maintenance plan...;)

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WYOracer
Reg. Feb 2012
Posted 2014-10-24 12:00 PM
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 I second the break idea.  I'm a big fan of letting them recoup and repair.  You sound like you aren't in a rush so I don't think a good break would set you back any.
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oija
Reg. Feb 2012
Posted 2014-10-24 12:04 PM
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I've pretty much been planning on her having a break as the weather gets yucky. Right now its like 80 degrees every day and comfortable. She's actually been ridden less the last couple weeks as we've had a lot of rain and/or I manage to forget my boots at the house, lol.
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ACEINTHEHOLE
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2014-10-24 12:16 PM
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oija - 2014-10-24 10:53 AM Okay, as QH3>er so wisely pointed out in her thread, BHW is awesome when you have questions. I only really started somewhat regularly lurking and posting about three years and a half years ago when I got my first broodmare, though my account is older from when I was in college. You all kept me convinced when my whole family and my husband's family told me to sell my broke necked mare, my own daughter of Shawne Bug, not to. I stuck it out and just sold my first baby out of her by Chasin Firewater for a definite profit (first horse I've ever sold). Now my whole family thinks keeping her was one of the smartest things I've done. The neck threadworms thread was really interesting to me too. I've learned so much about pedigree information, PSSM, worming schedules, feeding plans, and maintenance issues on here. I've always been a life-long student, even now as a teacher, and really appreciate all the knowledge that is linked and shared. The old adage is also true that when you get two horse people in the same room or discussion board as the case may be that there will be three opinions. I learn as much from people I don't agree with as those I do. So all that being said I'm a planner and trying to do things right with my two year old futurity prospect. She went to the trainer for a total of 120 days this summer. She is now home and gets ridden 3-6 days a week 20-45 minutes depending on how she's feeling, my time, and weather. She's doing awesome. Both trainers mentioned that she was slightly sore in her back end, felt like riding a 'stink bug' one said. She's never been lame at all just slightly sore and a bit more reluctant to the left, especially at the lope or in a small circle. I don't want to push her too hard which is why my plan is to futurity her at 5, not 3 or 4. She will go back to the trainer this spring (around April) to start on the pattern but slowly. I still am looking for more foundation for us. My main concern is her comfort and effective maintenance. When she got home I had her stifles and hocks xrayed and consulted with my trainer and vet. She has a small cyst on the lateral chondyle of the right stifle and some epiphysitis. I have her on rejuvinaide for this and some adequan. She will get adequan again next spring. I also know she is going to need injections, maybe some next year or the year after to keep her comfortable. I've never done these injections. I know you can use steroids, HA, and even do total hock fusion (cheryl is always mentioning this). I would love any information people have about the choices they have made with their futurity prospects on maintenance, what they feel are the best products etc. I've been researching a ton and will always listen to my trainer and vet first, but I thought I would just try to get as much information as possible. What are your maintenance schedules and how might you approach these issues?
What do you mean she will get adequan again next spring.. if she were mine, she would be on adequan monthly without fail.  Also, she will more than likely need those injections (in the stifle) the rest of her performance career, not just next year or the year after... actually, if she were mine, I would inject her now and get the inflammation out and get her comfortable.  Even though you are just riding her and not on the pattern.. she is sore and will make bad riding habbits now, that will carry over into the pattern work.  It is easier to correct her to get her riding properly now, than to have to back track and correct a bad habbit later.  So this is what I would do:  get her injected now, put her on monthly adequan  (or which ever one of those injectables you choose), rider her until winter..give her a couple of months off (but do not stop the monthy adequan injections), then when you are ready to send her back to the trainer, get her injected again and have her ready to, then keep up the maintenance.  Also did the vet tell you if her cysts were surgically correctable or not, you might look into that as well, I know some stifle cysts can be career limiting/ending. 
 

Edited by ACEINTHEHOLE 2014-10-24 12:32 PM
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barrelracingchick16
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2014-10-26 12:01 PM
Subject: RE: Hocks & Futurity plan questions



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 Did your vet recommend arthroscopy to remove the stifle cyst? If it is operable that is the way to go, especially while she is still young. She will likely still need maintenance throughout her life even after surgery but leaving the cyst could be career limiting and is likely part of her soundness problem. 

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cheryl makofka
Reg. Jan 2011
Posted 2014-10-26 12:16 PM
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I would be more concerned about the stifles, I would be asking treatment, prognosis, longevity, and maintained costs.

Then I would decide if I want to sink a ton of money into training maintaining, etc, or if I want to cut my losses and sell as a trail horse, or sell as a broodmare prospect (I would be asking the vet if the cyst is genetic)
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oija
Reg. Feb 2012
Posted 2014-10-26 6:46 PM
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Thank you everyone for your comments. I will ask about some of your suggestions. I know it was definitely the plan before she went back this spring to re-xray and talk about options in terms of surgery and/or injections, probably certainly at least an injection into the stifle area.
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aqhabarrelchic1
Reg. Apr 2005
Posted 2014-10-26 11:23 PM
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 You need to inject now then before she goes to the trainer... That inflammation will cause damage if not taken care of now.. 
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TurnLane
Reg. May 2007
Posted 2014-10-27 8:40 AM
Subject: RE: Hocks & Futurity plan questions



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cheryl makofka - 2014-10-26 12:16 PM I would be more concerned about the stifles, I would be asking treatment, prognosis, longevity, and maintained costs. Then I would decide if I want to sink a ton of money into training maintaining, etc, or if I want to cut my losses and sell as a trail horse, or sell as a broodmare prospect (I would be asking the vet if the cyst is genetic)

For once I completely agree with Cheryl.... stifle issues before competition ever beings is a big black cloud in my book.  
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casualdust07
Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2014-10-27 10:55 AM
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I would look into scoping that stifle too. cyst isn't going to go away on its own.
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