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Location: Texas | rodeomom3 - 2014-11-09 4:36 PM
Morab76 - 2014-11-08 11:42 PM In horse racing there are standard distances and that information as well as turf/dirt and the time it took to cover the 1/4s as well as the entire distance are given. Different tracks have different surfaces and are affected by weather as well. By knowing the surface at different tracks, recognizing some are better mudders, and other factors then trainers, owners, buyers and sellers have access to valuable nformation for gauging their athletes' performance and possible value.
Although I think what s being proposed is a great concept and will be super convenient for providing real time feedback and results, I do not see it being very user friendly as a way to keep track of arena records and tmes in different states and regions on specific sized patterns and surfaces. I see a database that can be accessed through a website as the best and most efficent way to track that information and make it easily searchable. However, FB does have a search feature on pages. Maybe I am missing what is trying to be accomplished.
It is great to see branstorming going on and folks working together.
I don't think it has been done in the past because everyone excepted the current standard pattern as the only "set" pattern. Not all arenas are big enough to run the current standard pattern so everyone just set their own. Different organizations will set different stakes in the same pen so you have to ask if it is "staked the same" as the outher guys pattern if you want to compare runs. I think having some set patterns is a great idea. Everyone knows to take into consideratin the differing ground and arena conditions, they already have to do that when comparing runs on the current standard pattern run at different arenas. We have a race in our area coming up that is being run on the NFR pattern. We know it won't be tough like the T&M, no blind first barrel, crowd, etc. but everyone is loving the idea and being able to compare- same concept as Joy as suggesting.
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| No, I am not going, don't want to make that drive 3 days in a row. I have heard a lot of people are excited about it though. | |
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| Yes it is hard to run so many different patterns and to buy a horse out of state without having seen it run on a timer in a familiar arena. BUT, as someone who runs in NBHA jackpots, super shows, and pro rodeos, the mark of a good horse is being able to run in a variety of different pens. I've ran in everything from a 11 second pattern to an 18 second pattern. I've had horses that will eat up a small pen and barrel hit the 2d in a larger pen, and vice versa. I feel it keeps the playing field a bit more even for pros and novices alike. As for buying horses and wanting to know what they run, that's just the risk you take. If you're buying a horse in the upper 5 figures, you should either be able to gauge his talent by watching him or riding him, or take someone with you that can. Overall, I'm not a supporter. | |
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Location: Texas | SweetT - 2014-11-10 11:16 AM
Yes it is hard to run so many different patterns and to buy a horse out of state without having seen it run on a timer in a familiar arena. BUT, as someone who runs in NBHA jackpots, super shows, and pro rodeos, the mark of a good horse is being able to run in a variety of different pens. I've ran in everything from a 11 second pattern to an 18 second pattern. I've had horses that will eat up a small pen and barrel hit the 2d in a larger pen, and vice versa. I feel it keeps the playing field a bit more even for pros and novices alike. As for buying horses and wanting to know what they run, that's just the risk you take. If you're buying a horse in the upper 5 figures, you should either be able to gauge his talent by watching him or riding him, or take someone with you that can. Overall, I'm not a supporter.
Hi SweetT… Just curious what your argument against it would be? You are still running on different size patterns, in different arenas, on different ground, different setups. If you didn't want to utilize the benefit of it, you wouldn't have to.
But... if you were going to a rodeo, where non barrel racers are staking the pattern, don't you feel that, if they had a copy of these standards, it would be beneficial to everyone involved? Especially you, the barrel racer?
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Location: Texas! | I think it's going to be a great tool. I am already finding myself looking at results and thinking if we had this already it would give a gauge whether horses really laid one down or was just the best that day and nothing else showed up. I hate that half the arenas around me when different producers come in the arena is changed just slighly, whether it is how they set the barrels on the stakes or the score I never know if it got really wolfy or the pattern is different when unfamiliar horses are running or the usual top runners don't show up. | |
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Location: Texas | WYOracer - 2014-11-10 11:30 AM
I think it's going to be a great tool. I am already finding myself looking at results and thinking if we had this already it would give a gauge whether horses really laid one down or was just the best that day and nothing else showed up. I hate that half the arenas around me when different producers come in the arena is changed just slighly, whether it is how they set the barrels on the stakes or the score I never know if it got really wolfy or the pattern is different when unfamiliar horses are running or the usual top runners don't show up.
I totally agree… Now that the hard part (which really wasn't that hard, lol) is done, we just need to get this out there so that producers can start using it.
SHARE SHARE SHARE! GO LIKE THE FB PAGE! Please like our page… You can see updates and see who is on board as well as give your opinion to the producers. Let's show them that we support these changes! It is long overdue and will be a great tool for the barrel racing community!
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| Most rodeo producers know to set the barrels at least 10 ft off the fence, I've never been to anywhere where it was closer. I just think that having a set of 4 different patterns takes the variability out of it. (Maybe that's not the right word, brain fart) most patterns are made to fit an arena, as they should be. Sometimes, along the rodeo road you will run into set ups with a side gate and 20 ft of stopping room and it just adds an element of difficulty to it. I would never run my horse somewhere that I think he would get hurt, drawing out is too easy, but I do like the added element of difficulty. I think it's why Pendleton is so popular with barrel racers. It's huge and on grass, so it changes it up. I used to run in a 3 jackpot series that started out whth the NFR pattern, had a medium pattern, and then ended on the Pendleton pattern. This evened the playing field, and was fun bcuz pf the added difficulty. There is already one set "standard" pattern, so I just believe it is an unnecessary complication to set forth these 4 or 5 patterns that are the be all end all of everything. | |
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Location: Texas! | I don't think this is supposed to be the end all to all different patterns just a way the gauge how horses run on more than just the one set standard. I doubt anyone expects Pendleton to use one of these. I don't think people are going to throw all common sense and research out the window when shopping for horses and only look at times on pattern. This is a tool to help not the only option to gauge value when buying
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Location: Texas | SweetT - 2014-11-10 11:38 AM
Most rodeo producers know to set the barrels at least 10 ft off the fence, I've never been to anywhere where it was closer. I just think that having a set of 4 different patterns takes the variability out of it. (Maybe that's not the right word, brain fart) most patterns are made to fit an arena, as they should be. Sometimes, along the rodeo road you will run into set ups with a side gate and 20 ft of stopping room and it just adds an element of difficulty to it. I would never run my horse somewhere that I think he would get hurt, drawing out is too easy, but I do like the added element of difficulty. I think it's why Pendleton is so popular with barrel racers. It's huge and on grass, so it changes it up. I used to run in a 3 jackpot series that started out whth the NFR pattern, had a medium pattern, and then ended on the Pendleton pattern. This evened the playing field, and was fun bcuz pf the added difficulty. There is already one set "standard" pattern, so I just believe it is an unnecessary complication to set forth these 4 or 5 patterns that are the be all end all of everything.
I have run at PLENTY of rodeos and I for one can tell you that I HATE IT when they put the barrels right on the fence. 10' is entirely too close to the fence and is IMO dangerously close. But you are certainly entitled to your opinion regarding this. And if it does fly, you are not allowed to compare your runs with other runs across the country. If you do you will be hunted down and fined. ;-)
Have a blessed day!
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