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Location: TX | Interested to hear other peoples opinions on what stallions out there are producing foals with lasting soundness that are also top athletes. Any thoughts? |
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Location: Utah | I would say Judge Cash. My daughter had around 20 out on the track & @ 15 is sound and doesn't have a blemish on her. Her baby that I'm running has very minimal issues as well. Mostly just gets a little sore in his hocks because of how he uses them. I also think the old hempen lines stayed sound, at least mine did. I've not had good luck with the more designer race lines & soundness, but that is just me. |
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| Bumping this one. I'm very interested. Maybe a poll? |
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| JOH seem to hold up really good and I've had good luck with FG and Dash For Perks horses. I'm interested to see what everyone else says :) |
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Location: Texas | Tn_Barrelracer - 2014-12-06 2:26 PM
JOH seem to hold up really good and I've had good luck with FG and Dash For Perks horses. I'm interested to see what everyone else says :)
Our JOH daughter ran pretty good through 19 years of age. we retired her and are breeding her in 2015. |
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Location: TX | Have heard there are some issues with the dtf bred horses, any other opinions on these lines and other "designer" lines? |
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Location: Montana | 3ToBurn - 2014-12-06 10:37 AM
Almost all of the sun frost, driftwood, and pretty much all the performance horse sires. Also the running breds with more TB in the blood. Although some of the running bred lines are a mess.
I'd agree with this about TB blood. We are seeing more people who raie QH and Paint horses adding a TB stud. The right TB, I think, can add a lot of soundness in part because they can be very clean movers. Part of the reason I am noticing the TB studs finding their way to the QH programs is because we lucked into a really neat TB stud we are excited about - son of Seattle Slew. Incredible bone, huge feet, and even though he's a big, heavy muscled horse moving is effortless for him. Some mornings he gets so excited about his pellets that he'll do a perfect 360 for fun. If he's on the other end of his pen when you show up to feed, he just hits a perfect little pleasure type lope from a standstill - it's just freaky easy for him to move. I'm looking forward to a pasture full of his daughters . . . .
The next ten years will be interesting with all the nice TB studs (ok, and a couple I wouldn't have touched with a ten foot pole) making their way into QH/Paint programs. Has to be the RIGHT TB horses . . . so we'll see.
The Sun Frosts and Dash For Perks horses have been mentioned and I'd agree with those - but again a look at our studs' pedigrees would show me biased there.
Good conformation generally translates to soundness, I think. But I always remember something an old track trainer told me once - any horse that really runs fast will have some soundness issues. Slow horses don't hurt themselves. For example you always hear the Chicks Beduino's tend to have bad knees . . . part of that is that they just run like crazy so they are going to get hurt more.
For my taste, a lot of the cow horse lines are too frail. Not enough foot and bone.
Wouldn't it be interesting to know what bloodlines the really elite vets like?
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Location: Mountains of VA | ausranch - 2014-12-06 5:32 PM 3ToBurn - 2014-12-06 10:37 AM Almost all of the sun frost, driftwood, and pretty much all the performance horse sires. Also the running breds with more TB in the blood. Although some of the running bred lines are a mess. I'd agree with this about TB blood. We are seeing more people who raie QH and Paint horses adding a TB stud. The right TB, I think, can add a lot of soundness in part because they can be very clean movers. Part of the reason I am noticing the TB studs finding their way to the QH programs is because we lucked into a really neat TB stud we are excited about - son of Seattle Slew. Incredible bone, huge feet, and even though he's a big, heavy muscled horse moving is effortless for him. Some mornings he gets so excited about his pellets that he'll do a perfect 360 for fun. If he's on the other end of his pen when you show up to feed, he just hits a perfect little pleasure type lope from a standstill - it's just freaky easy for him to move. I'm looking forward to a pasture full of his daughters . . . . The next ten years will be interesting with all the nice TB studs (ok, and a couple I wouldn't have touched with a ten foot pole ) making their way into QH/Paint programs. Has to be the RIGHT TB horses . . . so we'll see. The Sun Frosts and Dash For Perks horses have been mentioned and I'd agree with those - but again a look at our studs' pedigrees would show me biased there. Good conformation generally translates to soundness, I think. But I always remember something an old track trainer told me once - any horse that really runs fast will have some soundness issues. Slow horses don't hurt themselves. For example you always hear the Chicks Beduino's tend to have bad knees . . . part of that is that they just run like crazy so they are going to get hurt more. For my taste, a lot of the cow horse lines are too frail. Not enough foot and bone. Wouldn't it be interesting to know what bloodlines the really elite vets like?
The "elite" vets are going to like the bloodlines/athletic horses that have the most soundness issues because this translates into $$$ for treatment of the soundness issues and the owners with the deepest pockets. Unless of course the vet in question is trying to breed, raise, train and sell which very few of them are. |
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| Ever hear of the old saying ....
"HE CAN'T RUN FAST ENOUGH TO HURT HIMSELF??" ..
These are the bloodlines that are going to show up as being sound for years!! |
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Location: In a happy place | I would have to say that the Firewater Ta Fames are heavy boned real sound horses. |
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