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| I stopped in TSC in Wichita for other things and happened to walk over to the feed. They had 2 bags discounted of Renew Gold, one bag had a slight tear, but they got it by accident was the remark. So naturally I snapped them up in a hurry at 22 a bag! I told them that they actually should carry the product as I had inquired about it before with them. | |
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| I recently began feeding RG, so far my horses seem to really like it. We feed a high quality alfalfa hay with it, and they are keeping their weight well, although we are only on week 2, so didn't really expect much change yet....my concern is, recently people have been saying because of the Omega 6 and 3 ratio (it has more Omega 6 than Omega 3) that it can cause body soreness in your horse? Is there any truth to this? Just wondering, thanks for any input! | |
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Location: Willows, CA | theerebel - 2015-03-02 9:44 AM
I recently began feeding RG, so far my horses seem to really like it. We feed a high quality alfalfa hay with it, and they are keeping their weight well, although we are only on week 2, so didn't really expect much change yet....my concern is, recently people have been saying because of the Omega 6 and 3 ratio (it has more Omega 6 than Omega 3) that it can cause body soreness in your horse? Is there any truth to this? Just wondering, thanks for any input!
The O3 / O6 ratio in Renew Gold is where it is for a reason. It is important to look at what total diet is, and not just one ingredient in that diet. When used to replace conventional grain based concentrate feeds, and with a roughage based diet as we recommend, the total overall O3 / O6 ratio of the entire diet will be ideal. Remember, we do not want to completely overwhelm the horses ability to generate inflammation with complete suppression of O6. O6 is an essential fatty acid also, and the body needs it's influence to promote healing in acute injury. Renew Gold functions as a component in the overall health of the horse. Every component in the diet should be considered this way. | |
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theerebel - 2015-03-02 9:44 AM
I recently began feeding RG, so far my horses seem to really like it. We feed a high quality alfalfa hay with it, and they are keeping their weight well, although we are only on week 2, so didn't really expect much change yet....my concern is, recently people have been saying because of the Omega 6 and 3 ratio (it has more Omega 6 than Omega 3) that it can cause body soreness in your horse? Is there any truth to this? Just wondering, thanks for any input!
The O3 / O6 ratio in Renew Gold is where it is for a reason. It is important to look at what total diet is, and not just one ingredient in that diet. When used to replace conventional grain based concentrate feeds, and with a roughage based diet as we recommend, the total overall O3 / O6 ratio of the entire diet will be ideal. Remember, we do not want to completely overwhelm the horses ability to generate inflammation with complete suppression of O6. O6 is an essential fatty acid also, and the body needs it's influence to promote healing in acute injury. Renew Gold functions as a component in the overall health of the horse. Every component in the diet should be considered this way.
Thank you so much Win! I knew you would have the answer I was needing and I was thinking when the whole diet is balanced, that the O3/O6 would be where it needs to be. We have been feeding the recommended ratio of RG for horses/workload, (1lb a day. We don't ride much in winter so they aren't doing much right now) and they get 3rd cutting high quality alfalfa, free choice mineral, and are out on pasture unless the weather is bad. So far they seem to really be doing well. | |
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Location: Willows, CA | theerebel - 2015-03-02 10:33 AM
winwillows - 2015-03-02 10:16 AM
theerebel - 2015-03-02 9:44 AM
I recently began feeding RG, so far my horses seem to really like it. We feed a high quality alfalfa hay with it, and they are keeping their weight well, although we are only on week 2, so didn't really expect much change yet....my concern is, recently people have been saying because of the Omega 6 and 3 ratio (it has more Omega 6 than Omega 3) that it can cause body soreness in your horse? Is there any truth to this? Just wondering, thanks for any input!
The O3 / O6 ratio in Renew Gold is where it is for a reason. It is important to look at what total diet is, and not just one ingredient in that diet. When used to replace conventional grain based concentrate feeds, and with a roughage based diet as we recommend, the total overall O3 / O6 ratio of the entire diet will be ideal. Remember, we do not want to completely overwhelm the horses ability to generate inflammation with complete suppression of O6. O6 is an essential fatty acid also, and the body needs it's influence to promote healing in acute injury. Renew Gold functions as a component in the overall health of the horse. Every component in the diet should be considered this way.
Thank you so much Win! I knew you would have the answer I was needing and I was thinking when the whole diet is balanced, that the O3/O6 would be where it needs to be. We have been feeding the recommended ratio of RG for horses/workload, (1lb a day. We don't ride much in winter so they aren't doing much right now ) and they get 3rd cutting high quality alfalfa, free choice mineral, and are out on pasture unless the weather is bad. So far they seem to really be doing well.
This is a chronic issue when formulating feed products for horses. Do you make what the horse needs, or make what the horse owners think they should see on the label based on everyone else's hype of the product that they want to sell. Biotin in hoof products is a good example of this. Everyone judges hoof products by the amount of biotin they contain, but there are more important factors than that. Adding more Omega 3 is very important if you feed a significant amount of grain based feeds in your diet because they are very high in Omega 6. If this is the diet you feed, then this should be important to you. The Renew Gold diets are not designed this way. If you do not feed those high grain rations, and give the horse a way to provide a higher percentage of its energy from the forage that it eats, the added Omega 3 requirements for the diet to be properly balanced are different. In this case, obtaining a proper ratio requires added Omega 3 at a much lower level, because there is so little added Omega 6 in this diet. If the horse owner has the mind set that any Omega 6 in the diet is bad because it encourages inflammation, they run the risk of adding enough Omega 3 to over suppress the needed activity that a proper amount of Omega 6 provides. The take away here is the same that I have always preached, consider the entire diet. | |
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| winwillows - 2015-03-02 11:43 AM
theerebel - 2015-03-02 10:33 AM
winwillows - 2015-03-02 10:16 AM
theerebel - 2015-03-02 9:44 AM
I recently began feeding RG, so far my horses seem to really like it. We feed a high quality alfalfa hay with it, and they are keeping their weight well, although we are only on week 2, so didn't really expect much change yet....my concern is, recently people have been saying because of the Omega 6 and 3 ratio (it has more Omega 6 than Omega 3) that it can cause body soreness in your horse? Is there any truth to this? Just wondering, thanks for any input!
The O3 / O6 ratio in Renew Gold is where it is for a reason. It is important to look at what total diet is, and not just one ingredient in that diet. When used to replace conventional grain based concentrate feeds, and with a roughage based diet as we recommend, the total overall O3 / O6 ratio of the entire diet will be ideal. Remember, we do not want to completely overwhelm the horses ability to generate inflammation with complete suppression of O6. O6 is an essential fatty acid also, and the body needs it's influence to promote healing in acute injury. Renew Gold functions as a component in the overall health of the horse. Every component in the diet should be considered this way.
Thank you so much Win! I knew you would have the answer I was needing and I was thinking when the whole diet is balanced, that the O3/O6 would be where it needs to be. We have been feeding the recommended ratio of RG for horses/workload, (1lb a day. We don't ride much in winter so they aren't doing much right now ) and they get 3rd cutting high quality alfalfa, free choice mineral, and are out on pasture unless the weather is bad. So far they seem to really be doing well.
This is a chronic issue when formulating feed products for horses. Do you make what the horse needs, or make what the horse owners think they should see on the label based on everyone else's hype of the product that they want to sell. Biotin in hoof products is a good example of this. Everyone judges hoof products by the amount of biotin they contain, but there are more important factors than that. Adding more Omega 3 is very important if you feed a significant amount of grain based feeds in your diet because they are very high in Omega 6. If this is the diet you feed, then this should be important to you. The Renew Gold diets are not designed this way. If you do not feed those high grain rations, and give the horse a way to provide a higher percentage of its energy from the forage that it eats, the added Omega 3 requirements for the diet to be properly balanced are different. In this case, obtaining a proper ratio requires added Omega 3 at a much lower level, because there is so little added Omega 6 in this diet. If the horse owner has the mind set that any Omega 6 in the diet is bad because it encourages inflammation, they run the risk of adding enough Omega 3 to over suppress the needed activity that a proper amount of Omega 6 provides. The take away here is the same that I have always preached, consider the entire diet.
That makes complete sense! Thank you very much for clarifying, that answered a lot of unspoken questions I had as well. Very good to know! | |
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Location: Willows, CA | theerebel - 2015-03-02 12:11 PM
winwillows - 2015-03-02 11:43 AM
theerebel - 2015-03-02 10:33 AM
winwillows - 2015-03-02 10:16 AM
theerebel - 2015-03-02 9:44 AM
I recently began feeding RG, so far my horses seem to really like it. We feed a high quality alfalfa hay with it, and they are keeping their weight well, although we are only on week 2, so didn't really expect much change yet....my concern is, recently people have been saying because of the Omega 6 and 3 ratio (it has more Omega 6 than Omega 3) that it can cause body soreness in your horse? Is there any truth to this? Just wondering, thanks for any input!
The O3 / O6 ratio in Renew Gold is where it is for a reason. It is important to look at what total diet is, and not just one ingredient in that diet. When used to replace conventional grain based concentrate feeds, and with a roughage based diet as we recommend, the total overall O3 / O6 ratio of the entire diet will be ideal. Remember, we do not want to completely overwhelm the horses ability to generate inflammation with complete suppression of O6. O6 is an essential fatty acid also, and the body needs it's influence to promote healing in acute injury. Renew Gold functions as a component in the overall health of the horse. Every component in the diet should be considered this way.
Thank you so much Win! I knew you would have the answer I was needing and I was thinking when the whole diet is balanced, that the O3/O6 would be where it needs to be. We have been feeding the recommended ratio of RG for horses/workload, (1lb a day. We don't ride much in winter so they aren't doing much right now ) and they get 3rd cutting high quality alfalfa, free choice mineral, and are out on pasture unless the weather is bad. So far they seem to really be doing well.
This is a chronic issue when formulating feed products for horses. Do you make what the horse needs, or make what the horse owners think they should see on the label based on everyone else's hype of the product that they want to sell. Biotin in hoof products is a good example of this. Everyone judges hoof products by the amount of biotin they contain, but there are more important factors than that. Adding more Omega 3 is very important if you feed a significant amount of grain based feeds in your diet because they are very high in Omega 6. If this is the diet you feed, then this should be important to you. The Renew Gold diets are not designed this way. If you do not feed those high grain rations, and give the horse a way to provide a higher percentage of its energy from the forage that it eats, the added Omega 3 requirements for the diet to be properly balanced are different. In this case, obtaining a proper ratio requires added Omega 3 at a much lower level, because there is so little added Omega 6 in this diet. If the horse owner has the mind set that any Omega 6 in the diet is bad because it encourages inflammation, they run the risk of adding enough Omega 3 to over suppress the needed activity that a proper amount of Omega 6 provides. The take away here is the same that I have always preached, consider the entire diet.
That makes complete sense! Thank you very much for clarifying, that answered a lot of unspoken questions I had as well. Very good to know!
Yes, there is a lot to consider in looking at the whole diet. It is easy to get too focused on one point of one ingredient. That can be important in some cases, and have a different meaning in others. | |
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theerebel - 2015-03-02 12:11 PM
winwillows - 2015-03-02 11:43 AM
theerebel - 2015-03-02 10:33 AM
winwillows - 2015-03-02 10:16 AM
theerebel - 2015-03-02 9:44 AM
I recently began feeding RG, so far my horses seem to really like it. We feed a high quality alfalfa hay with it, and they are keeping their weight well, although we are only on week 2, so didn't really expect much change yet....my concern is, recently people have been saying because of the Omega 6 and 3 ratio (it has more Omega 6 than Omega 3) that it can cause body soreness in your horse? Is there any truth to this? Just wondering, thanks for any input!
The O3 / O6 ratio in Renew Gold is where it is for a reason. It is important to look at what total diet is, and not just one ingredient in that diet. When used to replace conventional grain based concentrate feeds, and with a roughage based diet as we recommend, the total overall O3 / O6 ratio of the entire diet will be ideal. Remember, we do not want to completely overwhelm the horses ability to generate inflammation with complete suppression of O6. O6 is an essential fatty acid also, and the body needs it's influence to promote healing in acute injury. Renew Gold functions as a component in the overall health of the horse. Every component in the diet should be considered this way.
Thank you so much Win! I knew you would have the answer I was needing and I was thinking when the whole diet is balanced, that the O3/O6 would be where it needs to be. We have been feeding the recommended ratio of RG for horses/workload, (1lb a day. We don't ride much in winter so they aren't doing much right now ) and they get 3rd cutting high quality alfalfa, free choice mineral, and are out on pasture unless the weather is bad. So far they seem to really be doing well.
This is a chronic issue when formulating feed products for horses. Do you make what the horse needs, or make what the horse owners think they should see on the label based on everyone else's hype of the product that they want to sell. Biotin in hoof products is a good example of this. Everyone judges hoof products by the amount of biotin they contain, but there are more important factors than that. Adding more Omega 3 is very important if you feed a significant amount of grain based feeds in your diet because they are very high in Omega 6. If this is the diet you feed, then this should be important to you. The Renew Gold diets are not designed this way. If you do not feed those high grain rations, and give the horse a way to provide a higher percentage of its energy from the forage that it eats, the added Omega 3 requirements for the diet to be properly balanced are different. In this case, obtaining a proper ratio requires added Omega 3 at a much lower level, because there is so little added Omega 6 in this diet. If the horse owner has the mind set that any Omega 6 in the diet is bad because it encourages inflammation, they run the risk of adding enough Omega 3 to over suppress the needed activity that a proper amount of Omega 6 provides. The take away here is the same that I have always preached, consider the entire diet.
That makes complete sense! Thank you very much for clarifying, that answered a lot of unspoken questions I had as well. Very good to know!
Yes, there is a lot to consider in looking at the whole diet. It is easy to get too focused on one point of one ingredient. That can be important in some cases, and have a different meaning in others.
I know this is an old thread but was reading and have a question. If your only feeding Renew Gold and Alfalfa, hay basically has lost all it's Omega-3's from harvesting correct? So that would make your Omega 3/6 ratio off feeding a RG and Alfalfa diet? | |
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Location: Willows, CA | oranges - 2015-09-01 8:25 AM
winwillows - 2015-03-02 2:42 PM
theerebel - 2015-03-02 12:11 PM
winwillows - 2015-03-02 11:43 AM
theerebel - 2015-03-02 10:33 AM
winwillows - 2015-03-02 10:16 AM
theerebel - 2015-03-02 9:44 AM
I recently began feeding RG, so far my horses seem to really like it. We feed a high quality alfalfa hay with it, and they are keeping their weight well, although we are only on week 2, so didn't really expect much change yet....my concern is, recently people have been saying because of the Omega 6 and 3 ratio (it has more Omega 6 than Omega 3) that it can cause body soreness in your horse? Is there any truth to this? Just wondering, thanks for any input!
The O3 / O6 ratio in Renew Gold is where it is for a reason. It is important to look at what total diet is, and not just one ingredient in that diet. When used to replace conventional grain based concentrate feeds, and with a roughage based diet as we recommend, the total overall O3 / O6 ratio of the entire diet will be ideal. Remember, we do not want to completely overwhelm the horses ability to generate inflammation with complete suppression of O6. O6 is an essential fatty acid also, and the body needs it's influence to promote healing in acute injury. Renew Gold functions as a component in the overall health of the horse. Every component in the diet should be considered this way.
Thank you so much Win! I knew you would have the answer I was needing and I was thinking when the whole diet is balanced, that the O3/O6 would be where it needs to be. We have been feeding the recommended ratio of RG for horses/workload, (1lb a day. We don't ride much in winter so they aren't doing much right now ) and they get 3rd cutting high quality alfalfa, free choice mineral, and are out on pasture unless the weather is bad. So far they seem to really be doing well.
This is a chronic issue when formulating feed products for horses. Do you make what the horse needs, or make what the horse owners think they should see on the label based on everyone else's hype of the product that they want to sell. Biotin in hoof products is a good example of this. Everyone judges hoof products by the amount of biotin they contain, but there are more important factors than that. Adding more Omega 3 is very important if you feed a significant amount of grain based feeds in your diet because they are very high in Omega 6. If this is the diet you feed, then this should be important to you. The Renew Gold diets are not designed this way. If you do not feed those high grain rations, and give the horse a way to provide a higher percentage of its energy from the forage that it eats, the added Omega 3 requirements for the diet to be properly balanced are different. In this case, obtaining a proper ratio requires added Omega 3 at a much lower level, because there is so little added Omega 6 in this diet. If the horse owner has the mind set that any Omega 6 in the diet is bad because it encourages inflammation, they run the risk of adding enough Omega 3 to over suppress the needed activity that a proper amount of Omega 6 provides. The take away here is the same that I have always preached, consider the entire diet.
That makes complete sense! Thank you very much for clarifying, that answered a lot of unspoken questions I had as well. Very good to know!
Yes, there is a lot to consider in looking at the whole diet. It is easy to get too focused on one point of one ingredient. That can be important in some cases, and have a different meaning in others.
I know this is an old thread but was reading and have a question. If your only feeding Renew Gold and Alfalfa, hay basically has lost all it's Omega-3's from harvesting correct? So that would make your Omega 3/6 ratio off feeding a RG and Alfalfa diet?
While you may lose some Omega 3 from aged hay, you will also lose some Omega 6 as well, and your overall ratios will not be altered too much. Roughage in general is higher in Omega 3 than most people realize. Where you get into an imbalance is when high amounts of grain based feeds that have so much Omega 6 are used in the diet. When the amount of grain is less than 2 or 3 pounds in total per day it is very hard to have high Omega 6 if the diet is based on good hay or pasture. If you are feeding a lot of grain, in the 8 to 10 pound per day range, you are going to have an Omega 3 / Omega 6 issue. Better hay allowing you to reduce or eliminate grain in the diet will clearly fix that issue. | |
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Location: MN | Is this feed ok to feed without any hay? My horse will be on a pasture 24/7 this spring/summer and only hay when he needs it, like being hauled. Was thinking id add alfalfa pellets and whole oats along with the Exceed 6-way that he already gets and access to salt and minerals at all times...i am boarding him right now and in a pasture with 6 other geldings on 30+acres. So i dont have a ton of options. Any thoughts? They all get fed separately.
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Location: Got Lobsta? | During the winter months I feed just hay and RG. In the summer they get pasture and than at night 2 flakes of hay. I don't add any pellets. Mine seem to hold their weight very well. Some people do add the pellets with great results. | |
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